High-end GPUs are a “niche crowd.”

Well since 2080TI sure, because it's poor value. 1660TI and lower ain't too bad. People don't like getting ripped off.
 
demo said:
Well since 2080TI sure, because it's poor value. 1660TI and lower ain't too bad. People don't like getting ripped off.
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Except the above statement that Turing is outselling Pascal by such a large margin contradicts your position.
 
You have to be careful with forward statements; it offers the first 8 weeks but how did Turing compare with Pascal after 8 weeks? And didn't nvidia stop shipping Pascal sku's due to excessive inventories? I don't trust that 8 weeks' statement on the surface.
 
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8 first weeks at $299+, which is a bracket that contains more models now compared to then, and the lack of available 1080s at launch IMO makes that a missleading comparasion.
 
I'd say it's not really surprising that most gamers buy low end cards. Most people are not hardcore gamers who get 4K monitors and then need super high end graphics cards to run them.

On top of that a lot of gamers are probably in high school or college and couldn't even afford a high end card if they wanted to. And then later on when you have no time to play and have other family expenses it's hard to justify the expense.

The truth is spending <$300 gets you probably 95% of the experience of spending $1200. Lower pixel count and lower frame rate, sure, but you still get to experience the same game. I know for most of my time as a gamer I only bought midrange cards and really don't look back feeling like I missed out on anything, or regretting it in any way. The only reason I buy high end now is for VR, and because my financial situation has changed such that the extra expense of the cards is fairly inconsequential.
 
I am at a point where I can easily afford top of the line PC gear.

However there are too many things that compete for my time to justify the expense. The truth is I hardly have time to game anymore. I have a backlog of games I want to play on Steam.

When I do game my humble AMD 580 is enough.
 
NIGELG said:
I am at a point where I can easily afford top of the line PC gear.
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basically the same idea for me. i chose this as my hobby. i don't see a difference in spending money on a high-end gpu opposed to someone spending the same on a high-end drone, or a remote control airplane. hell people spend hundreds of dollars on virtual items every day.
 
Dungeoncrawler said:
basically the same idea for me. i chose this as my hobby. i don't see a difference in spending money on a high-end gpu opposed to someone spending the same on a high-end drone, or a remote control airplane. hell people spend hundreds of dollars on virtual items every day.
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This. Getting attacked on a tech forum for buying latest tech seems silly to me.
 
Also worth noting that a lot of GeForce cards get bought by companies that need to run high end simulations and visualizations but want a cheaper alternative to Nvidia Tesla products.

I work for a system integrator company and we sell tons of high end GeForce to these companies to put in HPC data center servers. I'd almost be willing to bet Nvidia sells more of their high end GeForce cards to those companies than to gamers. Of course they'd never admit that though.
 
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
Top 5 and included the first really high end card, the 1080 Ti at place 10.
Most people go for the value with xx50 and xx60 on the nvidia side.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 ------ 15.88%
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti -- 9.83%
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 ----- 5.34%
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 ----- 4.48%
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 ------- 3.60%
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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti -- 1.62%
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jolle said:
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
Top 5 and included the first really high end card, the 1080 Ti at place 10.
Most people go for the value with xx50 and xx60 on the nvidia side.
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Now checkout how far down you have to go for the first AMD card.


Even if people aren't buying the top end card, those cards attract attention and sales at the midrange. It isn't like the 580 was a bad price/performance card; the average Joe probably just thinks of nVidia first, because they dominate the high end.

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BTW... I am kind of surprised Intel doesn't rank higher. Does the hardware survey filter out laptops, or people that don't play AAA games?
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Yes, AMD's position in graphics has absolutely cratered. However, the mining boom didn't do a lot to help them in that area.
 
aviphysics said:
Now checkout how far down you have to go for the first AMD card.


Even if people aren't buying the top end card, those cards attract attention and sales at the midrange. It isn't like the 580 was a bad price/performance card; the average Joe probably just thinks of nVidia first, because they dominate the high end.

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BTW... I am kind of surprised Intel doesn't rank higher. Does the hardware survey filter out laptops, or people that don't play AAA games?
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I would wager a decent percentage of those 1050/1060/1070 numbers are in fact laptops. AMD discrete GPUs have been MIA in the laptop market for long time.
 
GTwannabe said:
I would wager a decent percentage of those 1050/1060/1070 numbers are in fact laptops. AMD discrete GPUs have been MIA in the laptop market for long time.
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Probably, comparing 960 (3.6%) and 960M (1.7%) it´s not a huge chasm between the desktop and mobile versions there, if that´s anything to go on.
 
I remember once upon a time you actually wanted an ATi laptop GPU because it was more efficient. :cry:

That being said, run at reasonable levels Vega is actually pretty damn efficient. Unfortunately, it's just slower than Nvidia's offerings.
 
Nagorak said:
I remember once upon a time you actually wanted an ATi laptop GPU because it was more efficient. :cry:

That being said, run at reasonable levels Vega is actually pretty damn efficient. Unfortunately, it's just slower than Nvidia's offerings.
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and you didn't have to put it back in the easy bake oven every 4 months :bleh:
 
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