Reluctant to update ATI drivers.

Lemonhead37

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About a year ago, ATI released updated drivers for their AIW 9600 graphics card. I updated like a good consumer, but had difficulty and most times wouldn't start the TV . Mainly did the update because Call of duty 4 "recommended" i did it because it wasn't running properly. TV was more important than COD4, so i uninstalled and continued with the old drivers that came with the card. My question is, has the driver update been updated since it was originally released to correct these kinds of problems?

Note: this would be the update that did not include Guide plus with the driver package. It also kept the TV in a "Ready to record" state that gave it a reduced (not as sharp) display. Recently reformatted and want to try again if the driver update has been fixed.

Does anyone know?
Thanks.
 
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OOOOOOkay, how bout this...

The downloaded driver package i used about a year ago was ver. 8.11.

A year later, 9.11 is available. Does ANYone know what fixes, if any, to the problems (described earlier post) were made to this latest Ver.

Option 1 - Full Software Suite
Catalyst Software Suite 75.6 MB Ver 9.11 11/17/2009
Package Includes:
Display Driver
Catalyst Control Center
WDM Drivers

Option 2 - Individual Downloads
WDM Integrated Driver 21.4 MB 9.11 11/17/2009
Package Includes:
ATI WDM Integrated Driver
Release Notes

Since there is no Gemstar Guide plus included with the new package, can i still install it from my original disk (buy itself after driver install)?

Last Q, Am i better off to install just driver, Option #2 or install the whole catylist, Option #1?

Thanks.
 
Just saw where this thread should be: (Cataylist Drivers forum)
Will the moderator please move this thread to where it should be?

Thank you
 
well maybe this fits this section more, since it's about the multimedia stuff (which i'm not familiar with)

it's possible that the thread title is causing some of the regulars of this section to not open it
 
I bought a second Theater 650 PCI TV tuner card from woot for ~$19.99 on sale. Not really a direct solution but,…..
 
"About a year ago, ATI released updated drivers for their AIW 9600 graphics card. I updated like a good consumer, but had difficulty and most times wouldn't start the TV . Mainly did the update because Call of duty 4 "recommended" i did it because it wasn't running properly. TV was more important than COD4, so i uninstalled and continued with the old drivers that came with the card. My question is, has the driver update been updated since it was originally released to correct these kinds of problems? "

The 9600 is out of date enough that if it's possible for you to upgrade, by all means do so... if patterns are repeated this year, starting around March & going thru June you should see some very decent deals, especially on slightly older models of ATI graphics cards. Whether you're in XP, Vista, or 7, the way video is handled is changing, & a newer card is not only likely to handle those changes better, but you might also appreciate the increase in power. That's the graphics card end of it. For TV, with some sources the tuner you use is less important, & you can get away shopping price, assuming you can find cheaper than the ATI based deals already posted.

TO directly answer your question, the TV-related drivers are intertwined with the graphics card drivers, & both are focused on current hardware 1st, compatibility with older hardware 2nd. Avivo is more-or-less an umbrella covering all things video, & it's still evolving, sometimes it seems erratically.:( What that means is that to *Some* degree you can mix & match the versions of t200 device drivers, Avivo files, & the graphics card drivers proper, & that [in my experience anyway] the TV end of things can vary from 1 month's version to the next. When I was still running the AIW 9600, & now with the 650, I check video-related performance after each monthly update, & go back to what I was previously using as needed with any of the 3 -- usually just the wdm or Avivo though. I also edit the Avivo settings in the registry after every driver install -- making controls available in CCC, & being able to change those settings has proven critical many times so far, as different driver versions have broken different aspects of video handling & different apps, & those settings can help in often unexpected ways. Note that it doesn't hurt to do a backup 1st, as it can sometimes be near impossible to go back to an earlier graphics card driver version.

I stopped using the AIW 9600 entirely a year ago, so I don't have any experience with any of the driver versions released for that card last year, but as far as current hardware goes on any of our systems, overall today's drivers are better than they were 6 months ago. If/when I get around to firing up the old PC with the 9600 [cleaning everything up to give it to a relative], I'll likely install the latest driver set (11/09 I think), then see which versions of wdm & Avivo work best -- if nothing works reasonably well, I'll restore a backup & try the next newest version & so on, but that's me, & while I might like to complain from time to time, that sort of drudgery doesn't bother me. :lol:
 
Thanks for the reply. I guess one of my main concerns was weather or not they fixed the ready to replay feature that seemed to be on all the time and with out a way to disable or turn off as before. The condition made the display look "Not as live" as it used to. I realize you don't run my card, maybe when you wake up that other machine, you could check that feature.

Thanks
 
About a year ago, ATI released updated drivers for their AIW 9600 graphics card. I updated like a good consumer, but had difficulty and most times wouldn't start the TV . Mainly did the update because Call of duty 4 "recommended" i did it because it wasn't running properly. TV was more important than COD4, so i uninstalled and continued with the old drivers that came with the card. My question is, has the driver update been updated since it was originally released to correct these kinds of problems?

Note: this would be the update that did not include Guide plus with the driver package. It also kept the TV in a "Ready to record" state that gave it a reduced (not as sharp) display. Recently reformatted and want to try again if the driver update has been fixed.

Does anyone know?
Thanks.

Thanks for the reply. I guess one of my main concerns was weather or not they fixed the ready to replay feature that seemed to be on all the time and with out a way to disable or turn off as before. The condition made the display look "Not as live" as it used to. I realize you don't run my card, maybe when you wake up that other machine, you could check that feature.

Thanks
Hi Lemonhead, I'm very surprised that no one has jumped in to answer your question about the drivers themselves. First, No they have not & WILL NOT ever be fixing the problems with the Multimedia Center. AMD fired the ENTIRE ATI All-In-Wonder line back when AMD took them over.
SO, as you said TV is the most important feature of you ATI AIW 9600 system then DO NOT TRY & UPGRADE.
ATI recommends (via email) Catalyst 6.2 (or 6.1) along with MultiMedia Center 9.06.1.
These are the ANALOG drivers (WDM analog drivers) that worked the best with "those cards" (ATI AIW 9600 /AIW 9600XT, AIW 9800 PRO, AIW X800XT AGP...)
SO IF TV IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.... DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT UPGRADE Beyond (Catalyst 6.2 ... February of 2006) and Multimedia 9.08... MMC9.08 is OK, but it's a touch less stable than MMC 9.06 or 9.06.1
But you take what you can get. ATI only offers Catalyst 6.2 & MMC 9.06 if you can stand to fight in there to get it.


PLUS... in MARCH of 2009 AMD/ATI declared all ALL-IN-Wonders x1900, x1800, x800, 9800, 9600, 9200 etc all LEGECY Cards & there fore the NEWEST CATALYST DRIVER that supports them is Catalyst 9.3.
This of course WOULD require you to use the HORRENDOUS Multimedia Center 9.10 - 9.16.

Putting things in perspective. I still have three old Pentium 4 & one hybrid Core 2 duo (AGP) system running ATI All-In-Wonder cards. I'm running Catalyst 5.13, Catalyst 6.1, & Catalyst 6.2 (thought i'd see which is the best....very littlle difference AFAICT). They only do analog, but that's fine my cable company still provides it. If i needed over the air i could install a DTV converter between the antenna & my AIW cards & they are still VERY NICE pictures. (( I love my newer systems with TV Wonder 650's but truth be squeeked out here the ALL-In-Wonders with the Software compression ALWAYS looks better to me than any of my TV Wonder 650's analogs. ~ of course not holding a real candle to HD Clear Qam on the TV wonder 650....but anyway. FAR from obsolete as a TV Tuner system.

HOWEVER, as a GAMING SYSTEM. Well, if that PC works for you as your Media TV setup why not make it so & save or invest in a new system for your gaming setup. You can go low to midrange today's $50 - 80 graphics card will blow the doors off that ATI AIW 9600. Couple that with a budget MOBO $50-70, a cheap but very capable for gaming E5000 or E4000 Core 2 duo. Some cheap DDR2 (the prices have gone up on DDR, DDR2, this past year) so even Ebay or craigslist for bargain. Throw in a $30 OEM lite-on, samsung sony ? DVD write/CD drive, and $50 for a good size HD. ??? $300 or less for a down & dirty gamer for that type of game you mentioned.

Wrote this previously in a related response to a different issue: AIW 9600
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1336142890&postcount=173
 
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Very limited... no longer at that link.
True, and as a regular deal site comb-er once in a while 1 day sites post the wrong info, pawn off refurbished or ? (Not usually woot but just a slight caution there.)... BUT i think the point he is trying to make is that for sub $50 you really can get a an alternative modern tuner. If i remember right you have no PCI-E slots so...

==In your sitiuation the TV wonder 600 USB (might) be ok if you don't have driver issues or other conflicts with your system. Its the less desirable of between it and the one below, due to it's lack of hardware encoding and poorer chip.
==Or the TV wonder 650 USB Combo with 1-ATSC (Over The Air Digital or Clear QAM cable) & 1-NTSC (Analog cable from the wall OR through a DTV Converter Box using an Antenna). Fry's has run these for $29.99 & $39.99 for the last month +. Hard to find them in stock.

==OR if you have a FREE PCI slot Diamond is selling a single hybrid TV Wonder 650 PCI at Microcenter for $39.99 + tax + shipping (unless it's pick up only) or you can look for one of these on Fleabay. It can do EITHER NTSC or ATSC but not both at the same time, but it runs in PCI slot.

==Hauppauge has one card that is a dual 1-ATSC & 1-NTSC tuner that uses the PCI slot, but it's pricier.

Otherwise if what you have is working for you, a cheap gamer rig might be the best option and you can add a tv tuner to that later on if needed.
I was surfing Microcenter.com again & they had a nice combo MOBO & Intel E5300 dual core 45nm processor @ just over $100.
They even had, (as does Fry's when you can find it in stock) the ATI All-In-Wonder HD 3650 Graphics card with built in TV tuner for $39.99 + tax.
That would be an older graphics card, but combine the two ?
 
Totally FWIW...
With today's software/drivers I've not been extremely impressed with ATI tuner performance... The picture looks good on 3 downstream TVs using the same feed, & QAM looks nice, but pure analog on the 650's is at best watchable -- right now [as usual] I've got the 2nd PC monitor off, & have the news on the 13" TV instead of the other way around. If I'm going to record anything other than QAM [which is just saving the stream], have to use SVID from the cable box if I want any quality at all. While there was slightly more overall noise, the analog picture itself was much better with the old ATI Media Center, whether I was using the 650 or the old AIW 9600. At that time, when I could use either MMC or CMC in XP Pro, the picture was almost as good using the 1st version of the Catalyst Media Center. In the years since, ATI has modded the TV chip drivers to turn on QAM, maintained compatibility with older, non-QAM chips, & made the drivers work with a variety of external hardware & the new AIW series. Together with Cyberlink they updated CMC [based on an older Cyberlink app] for Vista. A combination of both resulted in today's performance issues, e.g. GB-PVR shows a better analog picture than most anything else, but it's still not as watchable as old captures I made using MMC.

IMHO...
1) I'm not sure that today I'd spend more $ for more of a "premium" tuner card/dongle -- if I was looking at something around $100 or so for a name brand card [if the deals on ATI cards weren't available], I think I'd 1st at least try something like this $30 card instead. http://www.meritline.com/mygica-x8550a-pcie-atsc-qam-fm-tuner---p-36181.aspx

2) I picked up my 1st AIW because there wasn't a comparable 2 card solution. I picked up the 2nd because 2 cards then would have cost (a fair amount) more. Since then HD's happened, nvidia & ATI have added hardware video acel to make watching it easier, & CPUs have gotten more powerful, to help make HD only a bit more troublesome than SD used to be. Vista & 7's Media Centers work well with multiple tuner cards/devices. There's a huge difference between the 2XXX series & 4XXX series ATI cards I picked up only a year apart. I wouldn't give up that flexibility, &/or deal with any potential reduced performance [the added circuitry takes the place of features on a regular card] from an AIW again.

3) For quite a while there were problems with ATI's theater chip drivers, & some of my problems stemmed from their added-on compatibility with ATI USB tuners... rather than write USB drivers, they *adapted* them with a commercially available software add-on, that's included yet today. While the problems it caused me have gone away, I frankly would be suspicious of any ATI USB hardware using that add-on [it's a coding time-saver, adapting existing drivers to use USB via a hack that has definite consequences to Windows].

4) Hardware encoding is probably a good idea for H264/AVC, but as ATI advertised themselves back in the days of the AIW Radeon, irrelevant for mpg2. [That was how they sold the card -- up till then CPUs weren't fast enough & you needed hardware encoding]. Of course the adverts changed with the theater chips, but they also had hardware mpg2, so all of a sudden you needed it again. Funny thing though -- the AIW 9600 encoded mpg2 with a 20 something max bit rate [comparable quality to DV], while the theater chips could/can only manage 12. AND, when I was running the AIW 9600 & 650 theater both, CPU usage during mpg2 capture was less on the AIW!

That all said, now thru summer is when prices traditionally drop, & old stock, including ATI is cleared out etc. CPU prices are going to drop, so unless you have a compelling reason, if you want to buy, buy in a month or two -- last year I really needed to replace a rig, & not waiting 2 months cost me ~$40 [waiting 8 months would have saved me double that]. If you're buying a m/board, don't go economy class -- you don't have to buy the best, but the cheapest enthusiast models are barely more cash, & a world of difference, e.g. bios settings haven't been removed to justify economy pricing. Balancing that I've read chip manufacturers shut down plants rather than suffer a glut of product during this recession -- prices are supposed to rise substantially... All I know is RAM prices are 2X last year's.
 
I just find the drop in many ATI tuner based products somewhat telling, of what I’m not entirely sure though. With Ceton due to release their quad CableCard tuners in or around March 31 2010 , one would think that the price for the older generation ATI DCT / OCUR units will fall too.

I mean I just came across a Diamond All-In-Wonder HD (the latest released version of the AIW) going for a scant ~$49.99:

All in Wonder Graphics Card with HDTV Tuner $49.99

Remember how costly the AIW line used to be? From this perspective it almost looks like an everything must go fire sale.
 
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