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KAC Dec 10, 2020 05:15 AM

Ryzen 5000 series overclocking guide
 
So I got a new 5600X since my 5900X is lost somewhere in transit.

Anyways, I am trying to overclock this mofo but it is really annoying af.
Most likely I got a shite chip is what I think has happened. I can't seem to get it running stable at 4.85 Gs. I tried OC using PBO and also manual.

So what else can I try. Also my Cinebench R20 scores are crap.

SC is 510 (my 8086K tuned was 550) - should be 610
MC is 3650 (my 8086K tuned was 3450) - should be 4700

What gives? How much voltage should be enough for this puppy?

KAC Dec 10, 2020 06:12 AM

Ok clocked it at 4.7 Gs with 1.35 volts. Infinity fabric at 1900 and DDR4 at 3800.
Honestly this upgrade is completely worthless. Ran WDL bench and scored 3 FPS lower than my 8086K. Albeit with newer drivers and a patch but seriously wtf?

Also CPU routinely runs at 85C temps. :nuts:

Scratch that, crashed on HZD bench. Seriously.

Back to PBO that pushes proc to 4.65 Gs. Also still have infinity to 1900 and DDR4 to 3800. Next up will see what ram timings I can tighten.

I give this upgrade a useless endeavor / 10. lol.

Nascar24 Dec 10, 2020 06:36 AM

I believe your better off letting it do itís thing, there is little to gain with Ryzen overclocking.

KAC Dec 10, 2020 06:52 AM

Yes I just let it to PBO for now. Will play some more tonight but running full blast 4.7 Gs wasn’t stable and requiring too much volts raising temps to 85C whereas on normal usage it stays around 75 C even with PBO.

I think I got a garbage chip tbh. Benches are great for real bench and only slightly better for Cinebench but otherwise gaming is exactly the same. I am not even getting the 5 FPS I hoped.

WDL is a whopping 1 FPS higher.
SOTTR is a whopping 5 FPS higher.
HZD is exactly the same.

Downloading some AMD games like BL3, FC5, FCND and ACO to see if there is something there.

Nunz Dec 10, 2020 07:17 AM

Wow it's almost exactly how multiple people TOLD YOU it would be

KAC Dec 10, 2020 07:18 AM

:lol:

KAC Dec 10, 2020 07:35 AM

So 1800 infinity fabric also doesn't work. Crashes Borderlands 3 bench which btw is 20 fps slower than my 8086K. :lol:

Riptide Dec 10, 2020 07:37 AM

One of the pluses with ryzen is the lack of a need to overclock it manually. That can also be a negative I suppose, depending on your pov.

I keep CPB and PBO enabled, and basically just let it run. You get the voltage spikes and it runs warmer because of this, but it's as-designed behavior.

Memory overclocking seems to be where people spend the most time on the platform.

KAC Dec 10, 2020 08:12 AM

What is CPB? And do you enable these in the bios or use Ryzen Master?

acroig Dec 10, 2020 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338251096)
I think I got a garbage chip tbh. Benches are great for real bench and only slightly better for Cinebench but otherwise gaming is exactly the same. I am not even getting the 5 FPS I hoped.

Is this the part I come in and tell you I TOLD YOU SO!!!?

Consider it done, should have kept your 8086K and put the $ toward the 3080Ti. :bleh:

acroig Dec 10, 2020 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nunz (Post 1338251099)
Wow it's almost exactly how multiple people TOLD YOU it would be

SMH..... you'd think he'd listen by now.

Riptide Dec 10, 2020 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338251111)
What is CPB? And do you enable these in the bios or use Ryzen Master?

http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=core+performance+boost

KAC Dec 10, 2020 09:11 AM

On my motherboard that setting only has Auto or Disabled.
This really isn’t a fun processor and motherboard combo. Nothing seems to be working. Anything outside PBO just flat out crashes. Heck even with PBO the processor usually stays at 4.3 GHz and when it has the mood jumps to 4.65 GHz.

acroig Dec 10, 2020 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Nunz (Post 1338251099)
Wow it's almost exactly how multiple people TOLD YOU it would be

Quote:

Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338251131)
On my motherboard that setting only has Auto or Disabled.
This really isnít a fun processor and motherboard combo. Nothing seems to be working. Anything outside PBO just flat out crashes. Heck even with PBO the processor usually stays at 4.3 GHz and when it has the mood jumps to 4.65 GHz.

OC Ryzen is a fool's errand. See if your mobo can increase the boost clock only.

Nunz Dec 10, 2020 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338251131)
On my motherboard that setting only has Auto or Disabled.
This really isn’t a fun processor and motherboard combo. Nothing seems to be working. Anything outside PBO just flat out crashes. Heck even with PBO the processor usually stays at 4.3 GHz and when it has the mood jumps to 4.65 GHz.

This isn't Intel. You're on a completely new platform that functions very differently, and knowing you, you haven't done any research to learn how to tune it properly. You're going to keep trying to crank an all-core OC (which isn't a good idea on Ryzen) and then complain when it keeps failing. Hell, you didn't really know how to OC your 8086K properly; constantly changing multiple settings at a time, and then wondering why you couldn't figure out what was causing instability. :facepalm:

I'm basically Nostradamus.

Do some damn research and read about the ****ing products before you buy them, dude. The 5900X you bought will have the same issues. Flat all-core OCs are not the best way to run Ryzen. If anything, just leaving PBO on and then keeping the chip as cool as possible, while cranking up the memory, is the best way to go.

KAC Dec 10, 2020 09:24 AM

Even the memory I got is crap. If you touch the timings it just flat out doesn’t boot. Best I can do is set it to 3800 but the 1900 FCLK crashes Borderlands 3 so definitely not stable. lol.

Also anyone who recommends another MSI product again will also get abused by me.
- **** bios (when is the mood it changes to Chinese language on some boots)
- shitty pins all over the board (even saved costs on putting plastic caps around things like HD Audio and USB connectors
- no frickin clear cmos button in 2020 - wtf and the pins they have don’t come with a clear cmos jumper :nuts:

Just all around shitty product. Also MSI software takes the cake in being absolutely shite. The dragon center is the worst.

Nunz Dec 10, 2020 09:27 AM

Why are you using dragon center?

If 1900 FCLK is not stable, then add some voltage and then start tightening timings at 3666. You can try 3733 as well if 3800 isn't working.

KAC Dec 10, 2020 09:33 AM

I tightened timings at 3600 with 1.36 volts (board overvolts) and it didn’t boot.

Tried 16-16-16-16-36. I am not going to bother a lot since I need to take a flat head screw driver every time to reset bios. Which ****ing sucks ass.

As for dragon center I needed it to set RGB on motherboard. Uninstalled now.

For now I am giving up. Will continue this when my 5900x arrives.

acroig Dec 10, 2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338251138)
For now I am giving up. Will continue this when my 5900x arrives.

Get your 8086K back and be happy. ;) :bleh:

KAC Dec 10, 2020 10:19 AM

Think it’s worth doing a full windows reinstall? My son was complaining that his CSGO keeps hanging. Seems like a driver issue since I even disabled PBO now.

Nunz Dec 10, 2020 10:31 AM

You went from Intel to AMD without reinstalling Windows ... ????

KAC, get your **** together. That's just silly. Full platform change with massive differences. Reinstalling Windows is a crucial step.

I'm also seriously confused why you thought leaving voltage at stock on the DRAM would allow you to tighten timings. 1.36 is not considered overvolting.

Over 500 posts in less than 25 days. You need to spend more time reading and researching and less time typing. Learn about how the new hardware works and the best way to configure it.

KAC Dec 10, 2020 10:38 AM

I built this system while attending calls. I also had to convert MBR to UEFI for my old windows to boot. I did a new install of windows on my new SSD but don’t feel like using that one. I will see what I can do to utilize this windows and reset it so it cleans out the garbage.

I have done windows switch over from Intel to AMD and Intel to Intel many times without issues. This time I am only having issues in CSGO thus far. Everything else is working. Will see what I do in the coming weekend.

Just generally super unhappy about this build. Apart from RGB. That like dope.

Nunz Dec 10, 2020 10:40 AM

You're unhappy because you have no idea what the **** you're doing :lol: it's your own fault man..

KAC Dec 10, 2020 10:42 AM

Hey it’s a new platform. My comfort zone is Intel. This is why I don’t deal with AMD garbage.

Should’ve just gone Intel 10850K when I was thinking about it.

acroig Dec 10, 2020 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338251162)
Hey itís a new platform. My comfort zone is Intel. This is why I donít deal with AMD garbage.

Shouldíve just gone Intel 10850K when I was thinking about it.

You still can.....

Nunz Dec 10, 2020 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338251162)
Hey it’s a new platform. My comfort zone is Intel. This is why I don’t deal with AMD garbage.

Should’ve just gone Intel 10850K when I was thinking about it.

Yes, a new platform. Don't you think you should try to learn the new platform and research, rather than trying to treat it like your old platform? :lol:

Can't blame AMD for this one man. It's all on you lol.

10850K is a shitty chip too. Why would you want a chip that couldn't pass 10900K binning?

KAC Dec 10, 2020 10:45 AM

Ok fine I will put this up on sale and see if I can recoup my costs. This has been one costly endeavor. lol.
Btw I did read a overclocking guide and watched 2 videos. Basically they were showing like 5-10% improvement through overclocking. Which I haven’t seen yet lol.

Meteor_of_War Dec 10, 2020 10:52 AM

Oh lordy jesus KAC you are the worst. :lol:

badsykes Dec 10, 2020 10:53 AM

This looks one of the most derailed platform change for you .... :)


2020 december will remain an EPIC month on rage3d ...

First no FPS increase ... :D
5900x is lost in bermuda triangle .... :)
You bought another 6 core cpu ...
MSI is unlucky name for you ...
WIndows from intel don't work on AMD platform .... That's kinda historic for you :D

acroig Dec 10, 2020 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338251167)
Ok fine I will put this up on sale and see if I can recoup my costs. This has been one costly endeavor. lol.

Hate to keep beating a dead horse but you should have stuck with what you had.

KAC Dec 10, 2020 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by acroig (Post 1338251174)
Hate to keep beating a dead horse but you should have stuck with what you had.

That boat already crossed. Can’t get back on it. What I can do is the following:

Spend some time on this build until RKL
Just play Cyberpunk which I haven’t touched all day
Sell everything and buy Intel
Sell everything and become a console gamer

I think I will do number 2 for now lol.

KAC Dec 10, 2020 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Meteor_of_War (Post 1338251172)
Oh lordy jesus KAC you are the worst. :lol:

You will never find this level of entertainment. :bleh:

acroig Dec 10, 2020 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338251176)
That boat already crossed. Canít get back on it. What I can do is the following:

Spend some time on this build until RKL
Just play Cyberpunk which I havenít touched all day
Sell everything and buy Intel
Sell everything and become a console gamer

I think I will do number 2 for now lol.

If I know you you don't keep stuff you're not happy with. Can't you return to place of purchase and get Intel stuff?

Meteor_of_War Dec 10, 2020 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338251177)
You will never find this level of entertainment. :bleh:

Never a dull moment reading your hardware adventures, I'll grant you that.

At this point I would just stick with what you currently have. Reinstall a fresh Windows, and run the whole system at stock for a while to make sure its all good. In the meantime take your time to research how to best tweak and optimize your 5600X, and I emphasize take your time. Read other people's reporting with similar systems on how theirs behaves, what settings, temps, performance they are getting, etc. I think you will find in the long run its best to leave most CPU settings to stock, and focus on tweaking your memory and GPU for some extra performance. Ryzen isn't a good overclocker, at least not good enough to waste time and effort on - very minimal performance gains.

acroig Dec 10, 2020 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Meteor_of_War (Post 1338251191)
I think you will find in the long run its best to leave most CPU settings to stock, and focus on tweaking your memory and GPU for some extra performance. Ryzen isn't a good overclocker, at least not good enough to waste time and effort on - very minimal performance gains.

:yep:

Nascar24 Dec 10, 2020 12:37 PM

Thereís nothing wrong with AMD, zen 3 is better then what intel has right now, but gaming is going to be close to what you already had before, your GPU limited. In everything else with a 5900X AMD is running circles around intel and can easily be seen by just looking at the CPU tests in 3DMark.

KAC Dec 10, 2020 12:37 PM

Well I certainly figured out what was causing the crashes in CSGO. I had my GPU overclocked to 150+ MHz and memory to +1200 for timespy that I forgot to revert. Poor GPU was running at 2150 MHz in CSGO haha.

Time to overclock this Ryzen again. :bleh:
I am not doing a Windows install unless it is absolutely necessary. Also played Cyberpunk. Game was usually running at 75-90 FPS and CPU was cool and quiet.

acroig Dec 10, 2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338251221)
Well I certainly figured out what was causing the crashes in CSGO. I had my GPU overclocked to 150+ MHz and memory to +1200 for timespy that I forgot to revert. Poor GPU was running at 2150 MHz in CSGO haha.

Nub.... :p

Nascar24 Dec 10, 2020 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338251221)
Well I certainly figured out what was causing the crashes in CSGO. I had my GPU overclocked to 150+ MHz and memory to +1200 for timespy that I forgot to revert. Poor GPU was running at 2150 MHz in CSGO haha.

Time to overclock this Ryzen again. :bleh:
I am not doing a Windows install unless it is absolutely necessary. Also played Cyberpunk. Game was usually running at 75-90 FPS and CPU was cool and quiet.

75-90? You obviously are not running RT.

KAC Dec 10, 2020 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar24 (Post 1338251228)
75-90? You obviously are not running RT.

1440P. RT maxed but DLSS on balanced.


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