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badsykes Mar 6, 2021 02:51 PM

DF Direct: CRT Displays - Was LCD A Big Mistake For Gaming?
 




Trunks0 Mar 6, 2021 03:19 PM

Sorta.... if I remember the DF video right they really don't delve into the downsides enough....

Some of the cons off the top of my head.
- Heavy AF
- Colour drift, requiring re-calibration over time
- Image geometry drift requiring re-calibration over time
- Image geometry calibration needs to be done per resolution and Hz setting
- Image geometry, colour and brightness are not perfect till the CRT warms up
- Not very bright

Not to mention all the problems that come with tech as old as the widescreen CRTs are :(

badsykes Mar 6, 2021 03:33 PM


12Bass Mar 6, 2021 04:26 PM

Used a pair of Trinitron P1130s for a decade or so. Moving to LCD was mostly a step down, until I got the Philips BDM3270, which has more accurate color and higher resolution, though it has almost nothing on them for gaming purposes.

Every display technology has downsides. When the first flat panels came out, people flocked to them in droves largely because they were the new thing, but others held on to their old premium CRTs, because they knew that the image quality was better, especially in terms of motion resolution, response time, variable resolution/refresh rates, contrast ratio, etc.... Today's flat panels are certain much better than they were in 2003, but still well behind quality CRTs in many areas, whilst superseding them in others.

badsykes Mar 7, 2021 12:27 AM

I have a regret now that i gave up the 21 inch Eizo F931 trinitron.
This benq sw240 is great really but as you said the motion side (gaming and movies) is hard for them.
I found a Dell P1130 at 90$...Yesterday it was an impulse to move back to CRT.Bring back the Benq and buy a CRT.

badsykes Mar 7, 2021 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Trunks0 (Post 1338272867)
Sorta.... if I remember the DF video right they really don't delve into the downsides enough....

Some of the cons off the top of my head.
- Heavy AF
- Colour drift, requiring re-calibration over time
- Image geometry drift requiring re-calibration over time
- Image geometry calibration needs to be done per resolution and Hz setting
- Image geometry, colour and brightness are not perfect till the CRT warms up
- Not very bright

Not to mention all the problems that come with tech as old as the widescreen CRTs are :(

I remember my Eizo F931.It was ok to calibrate it.Considering that gaming monitors are having QC problems and lottery and still has other disatvanges like input lag and trailings and also stuck in native resolution.

Trunks0 Mar 7, 2021 01:03 AM

Worth the work to get a good LCD. The downsides of a CRT isn't worth the gains anymore. Especially on aspect ratio. I could never go back to 4:3 and widescreen CRT monitors where rare.

P.s. also not everyone ends up in panel lottery land. You should give a gaming monitor a try. The 60Hz colour professional style series monitor you choose was kinda of the mistake as it's not geared in the right direction.

SirBaron Mar 7, 2021 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Trunks0 (Post 1338272924)
Worth the work to get a good LCD. The downsides of a CRT isn't worth the gains anymore. Especially on aspect ratio. I could never go back to 4:3 and widescreen CRT monitors where rare.

P.s. also not everyone ends up in panel lottery land. You should give a gaming monitor a try. The 60Hz colour professional style series monitor you choose was kinda of the mistake as it's not geared in the right direction.

He doesn't listen to reason.

badsykes Mar 7, 2021 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SirBaron (Post 1338272930)
He doesn't listen to reason.


I am dissapointed with the state of LCD market in 2021.

Trunks0 Mar 7, 2021 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by badsykes (Post 1338272934)
I am dissapointed with the state of LCD market in 2021.

LCD has always been a series of compromise's. None of the LCD tech is perfect. You have to pick and choose what you want. We have known this for like over 2 decades. Sorry your just learning about it now, but CRT is dead and this is the state of things.

SubCog Mar 7, 2021 05:13 PM

I like to do retro consoles on CRTs. I've amassed quite a collection, I think 11 or 12 now, mostly sidewalk rescues. Absolutely fantastic having consoles spread across tvs rather than going through a splitter all the time. Some still have to double-up, as I still have more consoles than tvs, but it's not like the old days when I had 15 consoles attached to 1 tv.

I still haven't gotten on the crt computer monitor bandwagon though. Not enough room on my work desk, and frankly retro pc games look better on my 4k monitor than my old game consoles do.

Jkmetal23 Mar 8, 2021 03:53 PM

When I put my CRTs in storage (like 2018, so yes, I had them hanging around for like two years), I did so with the idea that I'd get a 4:3 1600x1200 LCD.



I got the LCD (Dell 2007FP S IPS). And to my surprise, it does the job well enough as a native 4:3 display. 800x600 and 480p content is very good.



I don't think I could ever give up the space for a CRT again, even a 19inch VGA unit just takes up too much room.

Nagorak Mar 9, 2021 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by badsykes (Post 1338272934)
I am dissapointed with the state of LCD market in 2021.

Why? LCDs are better than they ever were before! What was disappointing was the LCD market in 2005 and 2010. Even then you were better off with an LCD than a CRT despite the minuses. CRTs are very bulky and impractical, and harder on the eyes due to the way the screen refreshes.

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Originally Posted by Trunks0 (Post 1338272924)
Worth the work to get a good LCD. The downsides of a CRT isn't worth the gains anymore. Especially on aspect ratio. I could never go back to 4:3 and widescreen CRT monitors where rare.

If they still made CRTs a 34 inch 16x9 CRT would weigh like 150lbs, draw 150-200w to run and might not even fit on the desk because of how deep they were. There's good reason that CRTs died. Despite having a few small positives (which are exaggerate since most of these retrospectives look at absolutely top of the line CRTs), they had so many more negatives.

12Bass Mar 9, 2021 02:55 PM

Usually ran 100-120Hz refresh on my Trinitrons... not hard on the eyes at all. I wonder how many people here ever had a proper high performance CRT???

badsykes Mar 10, 2021 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 12Bass (Post 1338273376)
Usually ran 100-120Hz refresh on my Trinitrons... not hard on the eyes at all. I wonder how many people here ever had a proper high performance CRT???


My CRT was an 21 inch Eizo F931 and it was 1000$ new when apeared.I don't think too many had this premium.Mass majority were on 14inch , 15 inch that were low refresh rate only.In a way is exactly as with LCD market.The low end ones are 60hz or 75hz only.I talk non-graphics lcd here.
Imo not many could afford a high refresh rate crt.

badsykes Mar 10, 2021 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nagorak (Post 1338273337)
Why? LCDs are better than they ever were before! What was disappointing was the LCD market in 2005 and 2010. Even then you were better off with an LCD than a CRT despite the minuses. CRTs are very bulky and impractical, and harder on the eyes due to the way the screen refreshes.



If they still made CRTs a 34 inch 16x9 CRT would weigh like 150lbs, draw 150-200w to run and might not even fit on the desk because of how deep they were. There's good reason that CRTs died. Despite having a few small positives (which are exaggerate since most of these retrospectives look at absolutely top of the line CRTs), they had so many more negatives.


I don't deny that there was a big advancement in non-CRT technologies (LED, LCD) versus how they were in 2004 but this lottery and the skimp on image quality versus speed is still a disapointment.
Also we are stuck in srgb color space for many many years.

Trunks0 Mar 10, 2021 02:53 AM

Near the end they got affordable in the 19" range. My Viewsonic 95f+ was mid range and produced a stellar picture. The Dell 2405fpw I replaced it with wasnt better looking in most things. But it was larger, it was widescreen and I never went back.

Plus I got obessed with aspect ratios... Hence the insane 32:9 panel I rock now :lol:

Also 10bit support isn't LCDs fault. 10 bit never took off with CRT either.


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