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pax Apr 29, 2021 11:40 PM

The 7000s are set to be so powerful raster wise you might not care to use a dlss tech unless you want RT or want to run at 8k. That kind of makes it marginal unless the next gen gpus can run RT at a much better level. Itd have to be 2-3x better imo.

pax Apr 29, 2021 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Trunks0 (Post 1338282935)
Not exactly surprising, it's a nVidia sponsored title.

And if they have their own method of upscaling thats gpu agnostic as they say doesnt seem to be a prob. If devs can implement their own gpu agnostic tech sure why not...



But bit confusing they say they wont have RT in the game yet the same article talks about RT in the game??

bill dennison Apr 30, 2021 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338282961)
The 7000s are set to be so powerful raster wise you might not care to use a dlss tech unless you want RT or want to run at 8k. That kind of makes it marginal unless the next gen gpus can run RT at a much better level. Itd have to be 2-3x better imo.

DLSS tech will have a short lifespan on AMD hardware if the RX 7900 XT can do 4k RT without it



and when all the new RT games made from the ground up tuned for the AMD GPU's in the PS5 and xbox series x it most likely only be needed on NV hardware

Exposed Apr 30, 2021 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338282970)
DLSS tech will have a short lifespan on AMD hardware if the RX 7900 XT can do 4k RT without it



and when all the new RT games made from the ground up tuned for the AMD GPU's in the PS5 and xbox series x it most likely only be needed on NV hardware

This is extreme wishful thinking. "RT" in the newest consoles are woefully underpowered and need rendering shortcuts that they barely pass as ray tracing. Just look at Watch Dogs Legion and Cyberpunk "RT" compared to PC counterparts, and it's not like gaming graphics are going to wait for a potential 7900XT to catch up. By the time a 7900XT does get released games will be more demanding and Nvidia will have its own architecture out at as well, and there's no reason to think they will relinquish their lead in technology that they pioneered while AMD plays catchup.

bill dennison Apr 30, 2021 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by acroig (Post 1338282921)

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Originally Posted by acroig (Post 1338282938)
The part that caught my attention was the lack of progress of the AMD solution 6 months after being announced.

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4A Games Clarifies It Didn’t Actually Evaluate AMD Super Resolution Yet and Was Referring to Existing FidelityFX Techniques
:lol: :lol: :lol:

let me clarify for them

" we at 4A Games love the Jacket long time "
:bleh:





https://wccftech.com/amd-super-resol...d-to-the-game/

bill dennison Apr 30, 2021 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Exposed (Post 1338283086)
This is extreme wishful thinking. "RT" in the newest consoles are woefully underpowered and need rendering shortcuts that they barely pass as ray tracing. Just look at Watch Dogs Legion and Cyberpunk "RT" compared to PC counterparts, and it's not like gaming graphics are going to wait for a potential 7900XT to catch up. By the time a 7900XT does get released games will be more demanding and Nvidia will have its own architecture out at as well, and there's no reason to think they will relinquish their lead in technology that they pioneered while AMD plays catchup.

not what i meant

i don't think it will be needed at 4k and below with the MCM 7900XT and nvidia hopper or not need as much
they say the RX 7900 XT is 2.5 times faster than the RX 6900 XT "salt"
and by the second gen of MCM not at all

as for the new games they will all be coded for those newest consoles first to run on
we just get ports .
the new consoles will give us better ports but not that much
plus how long will game devs sill have to support the PS4 ?
i don't see a big leap till they drop the old consoles maybe 2 years

LordHawkwind Apr 30, 2021 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338283090)
not what i meant

i don't think it will be needed at 4k and below with the MCM 7900XT and nvidia hopper or not need as much
they say the RX 7900 XT is 2.5 times faster than the RX 6900 XT "salt"
and by the second gen of MCM not at all

as for the new games they will all be coded for those newest consoles first to run on
we just get ports .
the new consoles will give us better ports but not that much
plus how long will game devs sill have to support the PS4 ?
i don't see a big leap till they drop the old consoles maybe 2 years

Bill you're clutching at straws my friend. The 7900XT 2.5 x faster, have you any concrete facts to back that up? Any facts to back up an MCM chip will do RT much better? If you have please share with us but not if they're just the usual click bait sites full of rumour BS that changes every day.

Consoles are no where near a 3080/90 or 6800/90 when it comes to RT. Look at the specs for Metro Exodus PC enhanced edition. They're bringing lower support to consoles later on. I agree most PC games these days are console ports which are bad but I don't think porting a console game with limited RT support is really going to be that great for PC enthusiasts TBH.

Also, 7900XT is 18 to 24 months away if you see what Susie Su said this week. AMD are planning on selling the 6xxx series (inc laptops) for at least the next 12 months so not going to be releasing a new GPU for some time. Forget the 7xxx series they NEED to get the 6xxx series to market in enough numbers before releasing a new GPU.

pax Apr 30, 2021 09:37 PM

Its not just the 7900xt its the nvidia Lovelace as well thats widely said to be a massive uplift.

demo Apr 30, 2021 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338282961)
The 7000s are set to be so powerful raster wise you might not care to use a dlss tech unless you want RT or want to run at 8k. That kind of makes it marginal unless the next gen gpus can run RT at a much better level. Itd have to be 2-3x better imo.

AI upscaling tech is here to stay and will be valuable for all vendors. Games will obviously push higher IQ, and we haven't even really scratched the surface of what RT is capable of yet.

LordHawkwind May 1, 2021 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338283180)
Its not just the 7900xt its the nvidia Lovelace as well thats widely said to be a massive uplift.

Pax neither AMD or Nvidia need to bring a new card out any time soon. The way things are maybe 2023, earliest. If you don't get a 3xxx or 6xxx you're going to be waiting another two years maybe for an upgrade. Things aren't good but that's the way of the world ATM.

Super happy with my 3090 just bring it on :lol:

bill dennison May 1, 2021 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LordHawkwind (Post 1338283287)
Pax neither AMD or Nvidia need to bring a new card out any time soon. The way things are maybe 2023, earliest. If you don't get a 3xxx or 6xxx you're going to be waiting another two years maybe for an upgrade. Things aren't good but that's the way of the world ATM.

Super happy with my 3090 just bring it on :lol:

BS

stockholders would crucify them both if they go that long

new parts keep the stock prices up waiting doesn't

then there is the Intel GPU a unknown

the 7900xt will be out Q4 OR Q1 2022 latest

Nunz May 1, 2021 06:36 PM

I think you can say with confidence that we'll have new releases or at least refreshes in 2022. The fact NV released the 3080TI despite not being able to keep up with demand on the 3080 or 3090 is indicative of that.

Look at Intel. Despite having to pull back two cores and do some back-conversion to make it work, they still jammed a product out there with Rocket Lake. The shareholders would have riots if one of these leading technology companies decided to just throw the towel in for a year.

bill dennison May 2, 2021 12:44 PM

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AMD EPYC CPUs Are Helping TSMC Manufacturer Next-Generation Chips Faster
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TSMC Is Now Powered By AMD's EPYC CPUs To Help Manufacturer Chips Faster & Efficiently


As per TSMC's director on infrastructure, each automation machine needs to have access to one x86 server to control the operation speed, provision of water, electricity & gas (power input). The company is making full use of AMD's EPYC CPUs to power these machines which are designing the current and next-generation chips for consumers and HPC powerhouses.
https://wccftech.com/amd-epyc-cpus-a...-chips-faster/

a good partnership

hope it leads to more AMD GPU's

LordHawkwind May 2, 2021 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dennison (Post 1338283304)
BS

stockholders would crucify them both if they go that long

new parts keep the stock prices up waiting doesn't

then there is the Intel GPU a unknown

the 7900xt will be out Q4 OR Q1 2022 latest

Bill maybe you don't understand but new releases are a risk in case they don't sell. Keep selling existing GPU's that are proven are a shareholder's dream. Lisa Su has said they're ramping up production of 6xxx chips for the remainder of the year so don't expect 7xxx in next 12 months. It won't happen.

Buy an Intel GPU, really!!! Good luck with that :lol:

acroig May 3, 2021 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338282963)
And if they have their own method of upscaling thats gpu agnostic as they say doesnt seem to be a prob. If devs can implement their own gpu agnostic tech sure why not...



But bit confusing they say they wont have RT in the game yet the same article talks about RT in the game??

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Metro-....536490.0.html

pax May 3, 2021 11:08 AM

Ya saw that they mixed up FSR with FX the whole suite of enhancements.

Nice video by DF of the RT effects.


pax May 6, 2021 04:24 PM

Leak says AMD's dlss competitor FSR is coming out in June:



TLDW

Doesnt use AI. Is in the hands of many devs even small ones. Is implemented at the beginning of the pipeline with minimal dev work. Perf said to roughly match dlss fps wise. No info on quality comparisons with dlss. Part of the GPU open program so can be used on Nvidia cards even those that arent RTX!

LordHawkwind May 6, 2021 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338284135)
Leak says AMD's dlss competitor FSR is coming out in June:



TLDW

Doesnt use AI. Is in the hands of many devs even small ones. Is implemented at the beginning of the pipeline with minimal dev work. Perf said to roughly match dlss fps wise. No info on quality comparisons with dlss. Part of the GPU open program so can be used on Nvidia cards even those that arent RTX!

Oops that doesn't sound good. No involvement from AMD that sucks big time. Sadly AMD GPU market share is way below 20% so are Devs bothered? Nvidia's DLSS works because they put money behind it so if AMD don't well let's see.

pax May 6, 2021 05:16 PM

Well if it takes money from Nvidia to get DLSS implemented how many games will they do that on? Seems a big hurdle if its costly and developper heavy if you ask me.

AMD is making it stupid easy to use this so they dont need to pay devs to hire people to code for it.

Not sure how we can gauge gpu share in gamers hands right now with so much of it going to miners. There is that Big German retailer that shows bout 30% share for amd. Some countries reported less than 10% driver activations for RTX sales.

Trunks0 May 6, 2021 05:16 PM

erhm remember DLSS doesn't require nVidia help anymore either. See UE, where DLSS is literally now just a plug-in. So this is going the same way.

That said, I'm still not holding my breath on this out classing DLSS. It's first gen tech, and you just have to look at DLSS itself to see how great that started.

bill dennison May 14, 2021 04:20 PM

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Difference Between AMD RDNA vs GCN GPU Architectures: How Radeon Caught up to NVIDIA
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/differ...-up-to-nvidia/

pax May 20, 2021 09:49 AM

Not sure if 'Gaming Super Resolution' is the same as FSR but the tech sounds interesting and FSR is due to launch soon...

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-pate...solution-ready



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At the time of writing, the images attached to the patent were not available. That said for now only the text is available. The patent reveals that GSR would be based on interference to upscale images. AMD explains that the currently available approaches use linear upscaling functions, but this approach may result in blurry or corrupt images because it does not take advantage of nonlinear information. Furthermore, AMD engineers claim that conventional neural networks are generalizable and are trained to operate without significant knowledge of the immediate problem. Finally, AMD says that the deep learning approach does not take into account the aspects of the original image, which may lead to lost color or details in the final image.

AMD came up with a solution that uses linear and non-linear upscaling technology, that will preserve and improve fidelity of the image. It is also said that the technology will “create high-quality image approximations and achieve high framerates”.

acroig May 20, 2021 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338286092)
Not sure if 'Gaming Super Resolution' is the same as FSR but the tech sounds interesting and FSR is due to launch soon...

It would seem to be the same.

bill dennison May 20, 2021 01:26 PM

like AMD's optimized tessellation

they should do a optimized Ray tracing that cuts down on the background rays you can't see

pax May 20, 2021 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by acroig (Post 1338286110)
It would seem to be the same.

Id read a while back that AMD wanted the same FSR for all 3 platforms, xbox, ps5 and pc, but had issues getting ms and sony onboard for the same tech. Maybe they found a way to at least get the console games to use the basic same tech that can then more easily get ported to pc.

But then ya it could be simply be a name change to try and make it more sellable to the gaming audience.

acroig May 22, 2021 08:10 AM

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-6...-gddr6-memory/

acroig May 22, 2021 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338286160)
Id read a while back that AMD wanted the same FSR for all 3 platforms, xbox, ps5 and pc, but had issues getting ms and sony onboard for the same tech. Maybe they found a way to at least get the console games to use the basic same tech that can then more easily get ported to pc.

But then ya it could be simply be a name change to try and make it more sellable to the gaming audience.

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-gaming-s...lution-patent/


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