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acroig Mar 6, 2021 07:56 AM

Recommend me a CPU/Mobo combo
 
To update my gaming only rig. Looking for bang for the buck here, no $300 mobos.

Intel 11th gen looks to be a flop so any good combos for 10th gen? I have access to MicroCenter, what would Rage advice?

Had looked at this combo last mobth:

http://209.147.121.98/board/showpost...9&postcount=60

Nagorak Mar 6, 2021 08:25 AM

Honestly, since you already have an 8086K, if I were you I'd just wait another year before upgrading. You're not going to see much difference in most games. If you wait you can get onboard with a DDR5 platform.

If you're going to upgrade I definitely wouldn't get an 8 core processor as that will be a negligible improvement--not even worth the hassle of even upgrading, IMO.

I'd look at a 10900F, or a 10850K. The giving up the K for an F results in a pretty cost savings, and although the F can't be overclocked my understanding is you can still run it with MCE. Since there's so little left in these CPUs anyway you're not giving up much by forgoing the K.

I'd probably also look at saving money by going with a solid Z490 board instead of a Z590. A lot of Z490 boards support PCI-E 4.0 for the GPU, but it doesn't matter anyway since 10000 series CPUs don't support it. And either way there's no real upgrade path, so I don't see much to be gained by going with Z590.

Munkus Mar 6, 2021 08:35 AM

What Nagorak said. I think the F series scores slightly lower than the K in some benchmarks, but that wouldn't be noticeable for the most part. They also only use 95W instead of the K's 125Ws, if that's important to you.

Are your games CPU-bound? I'm in a similar boat (i7-7700K here) but gaming at 1440p with my 2080ti would only have visible benefits in a small number of games. Most everything I play is as smooth as KAC's butt. :manches:

My money isn't burning a hole in my pocket right now, so I'm waiting another year or so.

acroig Mar 6, 2021 10:29 AM

Thanks guys, always appreciate the input.

the_sextein Mar 6, 2021 11:03 AM

I agree, I'd wait another year and see where things are at that point.

KAC Mar 6, 2021 11:18 AM

You made fun of me for such a long while and also followed most of my reviews with clear benches. I am not sure why you would think anything has changed since November to warrant a purchase. If you are gaming, it is completely pointless to upgrade your CPU/Mobo. You can get some benefit by throwing in expensive 4000 DDR4 memory or grabbing a 3090. Another option would be to go 32 GB ram. Everything else is like 2-5 FPS deltas so if $300 is worth that much performance then sure go ahead and purchase.

acroig Mar 6, 2021 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338272835)
You made fun of me for such a long while and also followed most of my reviews with clear benches. I am not sure why you would think anything has changed since November to warrant a purchase. If you are gaming, it is completely pointless to upgrade your CPU/Mobo. You can get some benefit by throwing in expensive 4000 DDR4 memory or grabbing a 3090. Another option would be to go 32 GB ram. Everything else is like 2-5 FPS deltas so if $300 is worth that much performance then sure go ahead and purchase.

Yes, you are so right, thanks for the reminder. Sometimes I see a deal and I am tempted.

Hapatingjaky Mar 6, 2021 01:50 PM

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00115926

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX79692

acroig Mar 6, 2021 02:05 PM

Oh, ok... I'll take 2 then. :lol:

:bleh:

andino Mar 7, 2021 12:47 AM

So, I'm in the same boat as the other guys. At this point, I'd wait.

The next generation stuff looks WAY cooler anyway.

Nunz Mar 7, 2021 07:50 AM

Unless you get a good deal on a 10900K (wouldn't touch the 10850K or 10900F - these are defective cores that didn't make the cut for the 10900K) I would just wait.

Alder Lake will be the platform worth moving to, but it will be expensive.

I'm considering waiting for the X299 replacement and getting off the mainstream platforms all together unless they start giving us more PCI-E lanes.

acroig Mar 7, 2021 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Nunz (Post 1338272945)
Unless you get a good deal on a 10900K (wouldn't touch the 10850K or 10900F - these are defective cores that didn't make the cut for the 10900K) I would just wait.

Alder Lake will be the platform worth moving to, but it will be expensive.

I'm considering waiting for the X299 replacement and getting off the mainstream platforms all together unless they start giving us more PCI-E lanes.

So 10 core is the way to go, forget 8. I could get it for $370 from Best Buy after they price match MC and I have some BB cash. Good enough price to be tempting?

What about mobo? Z490? What's a decent one that would let me do all core 5.3?

EDIT: Looking to get resizable BAR support. That can make a difference in some current and future games. Also, CPU scaling on something like Cyberpunk will benefit from my 8086K to even an 8 core 10th gen CPU.

Nunz Mar 7, 2021 12:44 PM

I think $370 is a great price. Also, don't get crazy thinking you'll hit 5.3 all-core. Expect 5.1, and if it's a good bin, 5.2 or 5.3. My chip does 5.2 but I run it at 5.1, and it's one of the worst bins; however I tweaked the **** out of it. Also consider you're only on a 240mm rad. This isn't an 8086K, you're stepping up into the big leagues in terms of power draw and thermals :lol: I'm not sure a 240mm rad would be able to handle much beyond 5Ghz or 5.1Ghz.

Resizeable BAR is already released on all Z490 boards if I'm not mistaken, just requires a BIOS update, and some even have PCIE4.0 support if you dropped in a Rocket Lake chip.

I would go with the MSI Z490 Unify. I think it's $290. Other than that, MSI Z490 Tomahawk @ $199.

There's a round-up video from Gamers Nexus run by Buildzoid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iLS...el=GamersNexus

I seen improvements going from my 9900K @ 5Ghz to the 10900K @ 5.1. The extra cache and much stronger memory controller make a difference.

pax Mar 7, 2021 01:18 PM

5800x is starting to hit msrp in the US but with warhol rumored to be on ddr5/am5/pcie5 in ~6 months Id wait.

acroig Mar 7, 2021 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nunz (Post 1338272966)
I think $370 is a great price. Also, don't get crazy thinking you'll hit 5.3 all-core. Expect 5.1, and if it's a good bin, 5.2 or 5.3. My chip does 5.2 but I run it at 5.1, and it's one of the worst bins; however I tweaked the **** out of it. Also consider you're only on a 240mm rad. This isn't an 8086K, you're stepping up into the big leagues in terms of power draw and thermals :lol: I'm not sure a 240mm rad would be able to handle much beyond 5Ghz or 5.1Ghz.

Resizeable BAR is already released on all Z490 boards if I'm not mistaken, just requires a BIOS update, and some even have PCIE4.0 support if you dropped in a Rocket Lake chip.

I would go with the MSI Z490 Unify. I think it's $290. Other than that, MSI Z490 Tomahawk @ $199.

There's a round-up video from Gamers Nexus run by Buildzoid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iLS...el=GamersNexus

I seen improvements going from my 9900K @ 5Ghz to the 10900K @ 5.1. The extra cache and much stronger memory controller make a difference.

Thanks for that, I realized that with your CPU my cooling and more likely PSU would not cut it so lemme see what I do. I'd rather wait until DDR5 matures to make the jump to that so I'm looking for a 3 year gap system. I may go with the 8 core chip as my current hardware will handle that.

Thanks for the mobo suggestions, appreciate it.

acroig Mar 7, 2021 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pax (Post 1338272972)
5800x is starting to hit msrp in the US

$449... yeah, still pricey.

Nunz Mar 7, 2021 03:16 PM

Your PSU would be fine. The cooling would be fine for 5Ghz all-core, it's just beyond that is up to silicon lottery. I wouldn't touch an 8core.

LordHawkwind Mar 7, 2021 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nunz (Post 1338272983)
Your PSU would be fine. The cooling would be fine for 5Ghz all-core, it's just beyond that is up to silicon lottery. I wouldn't touch an 8core.

Interesting that you wouldn't touch an 8 core CPU but seem happy with just 10gb VRAM on your 3080 at 4K. AMD reckon 8GB isn't enough for even 1440p and whilst I get they were launching a 12gb 6700XT so there's some spin there, there was some compelling evidence in some of their slides.

Personally I'd rather have an 8 core CPU and a good GPU with 12/16/24gb VRAM than a 10 core CPU with less VRAM. Just my opinion not based on anything scientific. I'm also trying to keep Bill's end of the discussion up here :lol:

Nunz Mar 7, 2021 04:24 PM

Their slides were bullshit. It's marketing garbage. I run a higher resolution than 1440P and I have ZERO issues with vRAM. Just because games will cache more if there is a higher capacity, doesn't mean the 8gb is hurting performance. It's more than just "some spin"; it's garbage. I play COD and I have no clue where AMD got the idea that the game USES (notice the word USES) 11.5gb of VRAM. You can set the cache settings to load up to 90% of available vRAM, and surprise, AMD used that to artificially make the usage higher, despite the 8gb and 12gb performing exactly the same. Why do you think those slides don't include framerate numbers? Because the 6700 gets torched even with that 12gb.

There are already so many clueless people when it comes to vRAM usage and how games utilize it, and AMD putting that trash out is just another marker for people to use to spread FUD.

I'd rather have 10gb of GDDR6X than 12 or 16gb of GDDR6. I'll take the extra performance over useless capacity that doesn't do anything besides allow some more caching.

KAC Mar 7, 2021 06:15 PM

Keep the 8086K.

acroig Mar 7, 2021 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338272992)
Keep the 8086K.

You're not wrong, I'm not doing anything right away.

Megaman Mar 7, 2021 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nagorak (Post 1338272812)
Honestly, since you already have an 8086K, if I were you I'd just wait another year before upgrading.

Dis!

Wait for new processes, PCIE 4 and DDR 5 combo.

Hapatingjaky Mar 7, 2021 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megaman (Post 1338273003)
Dis!

Wait for new processes, PCIE 4 and DDR 5 combo.

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Thisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

andino Mar 7, 2021 09:58 PM

You know, if the rumors are true the next AMD release looks nice. PCIe 5.0 and DDR5..

Plus they have been on par if not a bit ahead of Intel. The next gen they just might overtake them solidly in all categories.

acroig Mar 8, 2021 08:17 AM

I hear you guys.....

I have a feeling I'm gonna pull a KAC with a cheap 10700K and an MSI Tomahawk z490 in the next couple of months.......

KAC Mar 8, 2021 09:10 AM

I played COD on both a 10700 @ 4.7 Gs and 5900X @ 4.7 Gs with a 3070 and there was literally no difference in that game’s performance.

acroig Mar 8, 2021 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338273091)
I played COD on both a 10700 @ 4.7 Gs and 5900X @ 4.7 Gs with a 3070 and there was literally no difference in that game’s performance.

Looking at something like Cyberpunk where more cores does make an FPS difference and having hardware capable of BAR.

Also, I want to be the badsykes of CPU/mobos..... ;)

KAC Mar 8, 2021 09:52 AM

Well if $500 are burning a hole in your pocket I can share PayPal info of an individual who can make good use of that money. :bleh:

acroig Mar 8, 2021 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by KAC (Post 1338273098)
Well if $500 are burning a hole in your pocket I can share PayPal info of an individual who can make good use of that money. :bleh:

I can get it for less, got Best Buy $ to use on it or $20 off combo at MC plus 5% off......

KAC Mar 8, 2021 10:29 AM

:lol: Already justifying the upcoming purchase. Hey, if it makes you happy go for it :up:


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