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acroig Oct 6, 2021 07:15 PM

Turning off VBS
 
https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/...vbs-windows-11

Notbilly Oct 7, 2021 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acroig (Post 1338308969)

Thanks, acroig! I tried those steps, but the only thing that shut VBS off for me was to run the bcdedit command that was mentioned in the comments below the article. However, that also knocked out WSL2. I like WSL2, so I guess I can live with VBS.

But I ran 3dmark with and without VBS running, and I saw only a 1.5% reduction with VBS turned on (probably not statistically significant, anyway).

acroig Oct 7, 2021 06:25 AM

Yeah, not a big deal if it's that small a difference.

Thr0tt Oct 7, 2021 07:46 AM

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz 4.01 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display

Shame my main PC doesn't support W11 - Still, installing it on a sh!tty Dell laptop thats years old and had W10 on it so lets see what happens...

Nascar24 Oct 7, 2021 08:15 AM

I dont think it matters, use the Microsoft provided hack and install it anyways.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...rcdxhk6ib9g600

Mangler Oct 7, 2021 09:17 AM

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-400

Looks like as of right now, win11 is slower than win10 with a ryzen cpu.

A fix is coming in October.

Munkus Oct 7, 2021 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acroig (Post 1338309007)
Yeah, not a big deal if it's that small a difference.

Yeah I found the same thing myself. Might as well leave VBS on if it helps Windows stay more secure. Not sure where folks saw the 28% performance hit, but I saw nowhere near that.

Nascar24 Oct 7, 2021 11:44 AM

I'm sure they were just looking for sensational headlines and found one title knock the hell out of it, like all newly released software its going to take some time to get it purring like a kitty!

Nunz Oct 7, 2021 12:37 PM

Easiest way to turn VBS off is disable all the virtualization **** in your BIOS. I don't know why you'd have it enabled for a normal PC.

x-voodoo Oct 7, 2021 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thr0tt (Post 1338309015)
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz 4.01 GHz
Installed RAM 16.0 GB
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display

Shame my main PC doesn't support W11 - Still, installing it on a sh!tty Dell laptop thats years old and had W10 on it so lets see what happens...

Yep, I'm in the same boat here. I literally meet all other requirements including TPM 2.0....except for the 6th gen instead of 8th gen.

Lupine Oct 7, 2021 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mangler (Post 1338309028)
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-400

Looks like as of right now, win11 is slower than win10 with a ryzen cpu.

A fix is coming in October.

Yeah, I was all set to jump but am going to hold off pending resolution / workaround.

Greasy Oct 7, 2021 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x-voodoo (Post 1338309163)
Yep, I'm in the same boat here. I literally meet all other requirements including TPM 2.0....except for the 6th gen instead of 8th gen.

I wouldn't fret it. This OS reminds me of Win 10 when it came out. It wasn't finished, and evolved. By the time Win 10 loses support you'll have a new machine, and Win 11 will be in a good spot.

Nunz Oct 7, 2021 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greasy (Post 1338309179)
I wouldn't fret it. This OS reminds me of Win 10 when it came out. It wasn't finished, and evolved. By the time Win 10 loses support you'll have a new machine, and Win 11 will be in a good spot.

Runs better than a fresh Win10 install right now. I'm loving Win11.

Greasy Oct 7, 2021 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nunz (Post 1338309185)
Runs better than a fresh Win10 install right now. I'm loving Win11.

I like it too, but I damn sure wouldn't buy a new PC for this.

demo Oct 8, 2021 03:03 AM

What's the verdict? I see Nunz thinks it's good - how does it perform on intel platforms?

I really just want Auto-HDR and Direct Storage. Does Auto-HDR work OK? And I suppose Direct Storage is app dependent, does anything actually use it yet?

demo Oct 8, 2021 03:37 AM

YOLO I installed it. So am I imagining things or does everything seem extra snappy?? I really like it so far.

demo Oct 8, 2021 04:27 AM

So wtf, how do I change the 'right click' context menu back to win10 style? I want cut, copy, paste, and winrar extract here in the context menu. It's all hidden under "more options" in win11..

Seyiji Oct 8, 2021 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demo (Post 1338309220)
So wtf, how do I change the 'right click' context menu back to win10 style? I want cut, copy, paste, and winrar extract here in the context menu. It's all hidden under "more options" in win11..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munkus (Post 1338308644)

:D

Nunz Oct 8, 2021 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demo (Post 1338309220)
So wtf, how do I change the 'right click' context menu back to win10 style? I want cut, copy, paste, and winrar extract here in the context menu. It's all hidden under "more options" in win11..

https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/...-context-menus

Courtesy of Munkus on Page4.

demo Oct 8, 2021 04:43 AM

Thanks guys. :up: I tell you what, this feels so snappy it's not funny. Nunz is right, it's way better than a fresh win10 install.

Nunz Oct 8, 2021 05:05 AM

I feel the same way. I even seen performance increases on a 10900K + 3080TI in benches vs a relatively fresh Win10 install that was tweaked for performance.

Thr0tt Oct 8, 2021 05:59 AM

Well installed fine after following this : https://jensd.be/1472/windows/instal...orted-hardware

Dell Inspiron 1545 - seems faster than W10 currently however not much on the laptop as its just a slave for me to update my amp.

Upgrade wiped programs but left most data.

koralis Oct 8, 2021 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nunz (Post 1338309093)
Easiest way to turn VBS off is disable all the virtualization **** in your BIOS. I don't know why you'd have it enabled for a normal PC.

Well, microsoft says that with VBS and some other technologies enabled, they can compartmentalize **** better to protect against malware, etc. That's a good thing. Unfortunately, it comes at a small performance cost. 5% doesn't seem like much until you realize that's one generation CPU upgrade and 5-10 FPS.

I'm vacillating as to which is the more compelling. For people buying new hardware and having it enabled by default, all they'll see is a new laptop that's faster than their old one and more secure to boot. Most people won't know or care. It's the gaming enthusiasts that will benchmark and bitch.. :)

Lazy8s Oct 8, 2021 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demo (Post 1338309225)
Thanks guys. :up: I tell you what, this feels so snappy it's not funny. Nunz is right, it's way better than a fresh win10 install.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nunz (Post 1338309227)
I feel the same way. I even seen performance increases on a 10900K + 3080TI in benches vs a relatively fresh Win10 install that was tweaked for performance.

Good to know…I’ll jump after they issue the fix for Ryzen processors :up:

Mangler Oct 8, 2021 08:48 AM

I might install it on my main rig this weekend, I think I can live with a 3-5% performance hit in my casul, pretty titles.

Nunz Oct 8, 2021 09:00 AM

If you're running Ryzen, I would wait. Apparently the fix is already in one of the Dev Builds and should be out relatively soon; I'm surprised it hasn't been released already.

As for VBS, I'm not really concerned with security too much. My rig is purely for gaming and with basic common sense you can avoid a very vast majority of malware on the web. I used to disable Spectre defenses as well with InSpectre but I'm not sure how it'll work with Win11, so I haven't tried that.

The fact I seen performances increases on Win11 vs Win10 with all the software mitigations disabled is pretty impressive on MS' part.

Meteor_of_War Oct 8, 2021 10:21 AM

I'm not going to install Win 11 just yet, but I did start looking into the process. On the Windows Update page in Win 10 its telling me this PC doesn't currently meet all the system requirements for Windows 11. Yeah right.

I didn't have TPM enabled, so thought that was probably it. Went into BIOS and enabled it. Also enabled Secure Boot for good measure, although I think the requirement with that is just if the PC "supports" Secure Boot. Doesn't necessarily have to be enabled?

After that I was still getting the "doesn't currently meet the requirements" message and then found this:

https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/1...dows-11-error/

Also ran the PC Health Check app and it says the PC meets the requirements.

So apparently its just an error and a known issue they are working on. My assumption is if I did want to install Windows 11 right now it would work fine doing a clean install using the Win 11 ISO.

bill dennison Oct 8, 2021 11:50 AM

3 systems

1 waiting for ryzen fix
2 1900x not supported and waiting for ryzen fix to force it or get a 2920x for 689 :bleh:
3 surface pro 4 w/ i5-7300 not supported - I may force this soon

acroig Oct 8, 2021 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demo (Post 1338309215)
What's the verdict? I see Nunz thinks it's good - how does it perform on intel platforms?

I really just want Auto-HDR and Direct Storage. Does Auto-HDR work OK? And I suppose Direct Storage is app dependent, does anything actually use it yet?

Good and good. Get it NOW.

Nunz Oct 8, 2021 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meteor_of_War (Post 1338309263)
I'm not going to install Win 11 just yet, but I did start looking into the process. On the Windows Update page in Win 10 its telling me this PC doesn't currently meet all the system requirements for Windows 11. Yeah right.

I didn't have TPM enabled, so thought that was probably it. Went into BIOS and enabled it. Also enabled Secure Boot for good measure, although I think the requirement with that is just if the PC "supports" Secure Boot. Doesn't necessarily have to be enabled?

After that I was still getting the "doesn't currently meet the requirements" message and then found this:

https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/1...dows-11-error/

Also ran the PC Health Check app and it says the PC meets the requirements.

So apparently its just an error and a known issue they are working on. My assumption is if I did want to install Windows 11 right now it would work fine doing a clean install using the Win 11 ISO.

It said I didn't meet requirements either, and to download PC Health Check. Enabled TPM, ran it, still said I wasn't eligible. I forgot what I did but then it appeared, might have rebooted or something.

After upgrading my Win10, I decided to just fully wipe the drive clean and reformat to a clean install. If you did the Win11 install through the Media Creation Tool (ISO to a flash drive) it'll work fine.


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