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Crawdaddy79 Jun 10, 2020 06:01 PM

My GPU was averaging 1.8M PPD while folding this one. I want more of these. Makes up for that rash of 13409s I got @ 250k PPD the last seven days.

Code:

22:58:27:WU01:FS01:Sending unit results: id:01 state:SEND error:NO_ERROR project:14416 run:0 clone:115 gen:101 core:0x22 unit:0x000000990d5262775e84c8a6467f87c2
22:58:27:WU01:FS01:Uploading 92.84MiB to 13.82.98.119
22:58:27:WU01:FS01:Connecting to 13.82.98.119:8080
22:58:33:WU01:FS01:Upload 29.82%
22:58:39:WU01:FS01:Upload 64.63%
22:58:45:WU01:FS01:Upload 98.83%
22:58:45:WU01:FS01:Upload complete
22:58:45:WU01:FS01:Server responded WORK_ACK (400)
22:58:45:WU01:FS01:Final credit estimate, 278484.00 points
22:58:45:WU01:FS01:Cleaning up

278k points awarded in less than 3 hours. :drool:

Jimby Jun 13, 2020 08:13 PM

Been able to run for the last couple of days. Weather has improved so the temperature has been better for Max computing. Also bought an Arctic Freezer 34 duo fan for my Ryzen CPU. Temp went down by 10 degrees C. Bonus.

absolutefunk Jun 15, 2020 01:27 PM

Seeing all the active folders brings me back to the good ol days like a decade+ ago :lol:

With summer heat being a factor for many of y'all, the 1650 Super is an option for a low energy GPU with good PPD . I built a rig with this card last month hoping for maybe 400k PPD with under 100W on the GPU power draw, and at stock it does around that. But the RAM OC is insane, I boosted up to around 550K PPD with only an extra 8-10W power consumption on average (total power draw from the card is around 85-90W on average).

Traditionally I have never seen much benefit from OCing memory for folding, but the 1650 super really eats it up. I had enough spare parts laying around that the GPU itself was the bulk of the purchase. Running it with an old Ryzen 1600 I had laying around.

Fold on y'all!

KJ Jun 15, 2020 03:38 PM

If you can spend a few bucks more, the 1660 Super (in my experience) gets almost 800k ppd with just a little more power consumption, showing a 106W avg.

Crawdaddy79 Jun 15, 2020 06:36 PM

Anyone else using the advanced GPU client flag? I avoided it until yesterday thinking it would make my system even less stable with beta WUs but that isn't the case. In fact, last update I broke my daily point record... and there's still six hours left in the day. PPD is 1.8M for many of the beta WUs, and it looks like they've all finished successfully. GPU is downclocked -7% and pulling about 215 - 240W; system overall around 350W. I still have my laptop folding @ 400k PPD but I need to retire it before it melts.

Jimby Jun 16, 2020 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawdaddy79 (Post 1338199755)
Anyone else using the advanced GPU client flag? I avoided it until yesterday thinking it would make my system even less stable with beta WUs but that isn't the case. In fact, last update I broke my daily point record... and there's still six hours left in the day. PPD is 1.8M for many of the beta WUs, and it looks like they've all finished successfully. GPU is downclocked -7% and pulling about 215 - 240W; system overall around 350W. I still have my laptop folding @ 400k PPD but I need to retire it before it melts.

How does one do this?

Also, getting close to being in the top 50 on Team 64. Not bad for a few months. :)

Crawdaddy79 Jun 16, 2020 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimby (Post 1338199902)
How does one do this?

Also, getting close to being in the top 50 on Team 64. Not bad for a few months. :)

Go to Configure
Click on the gpu slot and click Edit
Click Add below Extra slot options
Enter client-type as Name
Enter advanced as Value
Click OK to add the option
Click OK to complete the slot change
Click Save

A 16444 WU crashed my PC when I was on my way to work at 6:30 this morning. :( Very few points for me today. Luckily I had yesterday and hope to have a few more days like it.

KJ Jun 17, 2020 12:13 PM

I’ve been using the advanced flag on mine since there was the WU shortage a couple months ago. It was one way to increase my chances of actually getting a WU assignment. Could be why I see some WUs getting 800k PPD and some getting like 650k. Or I could be totally wrong, I really have no idea.

Crawdaddy79 Jun 21, 2020 06:23 AM

My excitement for higher PPD with the advanced units is dashed. I keep getting the non-advanced 134XX project @ ~250k PPD... netting about 13k per WU, and getting through it in about 1 hour, 15 minutes. Yesterday it was exclusively that project on both my machines.

WU count is up.



Points acquired down.



Gregor is going to catch back up to me. :(

luxor Jun 23, 2020 08:33 AM

For me some of the 134xx WUs are great, up to 140k ppd vs 80k ppd normally.
But others are only bringing 40k ppd.
So far I’ve been getting more of the 140k ppd WUs. Hopefully it stays that way!

Crawdaddy79 Jun 23, 2020 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luxor (Post 1338201248)
For me some of the 134xx WUs are great, up to 140k ppd vs 80k ppd normally.
But others are only bringing 40k ppd.
So far Iíve been getting more of the 140k ppd WUs. Hopefully it stays that way!

I'm glad it's working out for someone!

I'm getting killed over here. Yesterday I had a string of three in a row that performed 25% slower than the already slow ones I had been getting. I'm talking 60k PPD on a GPU that used to get 1M+. A unit that takes four hours to complete and maybe gets 9k points.

The project lead posted on the Folding Forum - lots of people are complaining about it (and there are those like you who love them). He said that the results returned are incredibly valuable and thanked everyone for contributing. It was enough to keep me going for a little bit. Looking forward to the end of this project though. I do feel like it's a waste of resources.

My 1060 GTX gets these and its PPD is unchanged @ 350k. I really need to shut that laptop off though. You wouldn't believe how hot the surface gets above the keyboard. Wipe it with a damp paper towel and you can see steam as it dries.

Crawdaddy79 Jun 24, 2020 09:39 PM

Bois, we're about to see what my somehow not melted Gigabyte HD 7970 can do. Sending my Vega 64 in for RMA, hopefully tomorrow. Tired of the crashing. Finally went to MSI tech support to see what could be done and they said to RMA it.

This 7970 has been through some serious ****. It has brown spots on the board from heat. My case actually overpowered the video card's cooling system and dust caked the card's exhaust fins as air was being sucked in. The amount of heat emanating from the side of my case was epic. That was remedied, I have learned from that experience. The card later went on to support my Witcher 3 endeavors. Before the weekend begins, it will fold.

absolutefunk Jun 25, 2020 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawdaddy79 (Post 1338201573)
Bois, we're about to see what my somehow not melted Gigabyte HD 7970 can do. Sending my Vega 64 in for RMA, hopefully tomorrow. Tired of the crashing. Finally went to MSI tech support to see what could be done and they said to RMA it.

This 7970 has been through some serious ****. It has brown spots on the board from heat. My case actually overpowered the video card's cooling system and dust caked the card's exhaust fins as air was being sucked in. The amount of heat emanating from the side of my case was epic. That was remedied, I have learned from that experience. The card later went on to support my Witcher 3 endeavors. Before the weekend begins, it will fold.

The 7970 brings back some memories! I never owned one, but held one in my hands right after their initial release, and could feel the power :drool: :lol:
I'd be very curious to know the PPD from it!

DarkFoss Jun 25, 2020 09:57 AM

Your 7970 should be around half of a FuryX output mine were. It may even perform well with those 134x wu's.

Crawdaddy79 Jun 25, 2020 11:16 AM

Whelp, initial results are a bit disappointing. Looks like it will get about 250k PPD when no CPU folding, and about 210k PPD with the CPU folding.

The card is much louder than the Vega 64. I remember saying this before but it's another thing to be sitting next to it after not hearing it for 18 months. Roughly the same power draw as Vega with 7% downclock, but runs 10C cooler.

Hopefully when it finishes this 16435 WU in 10 hours, it will pick up one of the 134X ones.

Flyordie Jun 25, 2020 08:34 PM

My Vega is pulling about 260W doing [email protected] But, I have it running 1700Mhz locked. Heat is an understatement. -_- If it was winter, It'd do 1800Mhz easy but temps are just too high for it to hold that stable at the voltage I want it to. 1.065V is where I have mine at.

Crawdaddy79 Jun 25, 2020 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyordie (Post 1338201729)
My Vega is pulling about 260W doing [email protected] But, I have it running 1700Mhz locked. Heat is an understatement. -_- If it was winter, It'd do 1800Mhz easy but temps are just too high for it to hold that stable at the voltage I want it to. 1.065V is where I have mine at.

But yours is liquid cooled. In my "hot spot" thread you said your temps were around 65C @ 1800Mhz. That really isn't hot, and you know this. With default settings, mine ran at 79C. When I unplugged 2/3 fans on my case, it ran at 84C and more stable (but Jeebus be cursed it made my basement hot) (and it still crashed... just significantly less).

I looked at the box for my 7970. Pricetag: $ 679.99. I'm squeezing every penny out of this sonofabitch. Played some games with it tonight. Not disappointed.

Flyordie Jun 28, 2020 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawdaddy79 (Post 1338201738)
But yours is liquid cooled. In my "hot spot" thread you said your temps were around 65C @ 1800Mhz. That really isn't hot, and you know this. With default settings, mine ran at 79C. When I unplugged 2/3 fans on my case, it ran at 84C and more stable (but Jeebus be cursed it made my basement hot) (and it still crashed... just significantly less).

I looked at the box for my 7970. Pricetag: $ 679.99. I'm squeezing every penny out of this sonofabitch. Played some games with it tonight. Not disappointed.

Its hot. The difference is, liquid cooler removes heat more efficiently than air so its still producing the same amount heat. 65C is hot for 14nm and Vega. Vega loves to run cooler. Cooler = higher clocks.


That you are. lol. If it works, keep on usin it. :-p

Crawdaddy79 Jun 28, 2020 07:28 AM

It's funny... I haven't ever watched temps, fan speeds, etc. until I started folding. Never bothered seeing how hot a card can get, never tried overclocking.

Apparently I could have run my Gigabyte 7970 at a 10% overclock out of the box, and that's after its own 4% embedded overclock. It stays around 65C at stock speeds, under folding load.

The 134XX WUs on this thing get about 33% less points than on Vega, and take 2 hours instead of 1 to complete. Even so, the PPD is 50% lower on the 7970 than with other WUs.

I think the fact that I've had no crashes with folding for 36 hours straight, and off/on since that there was something wrong with the video card. If MSI comes back with "no problem found" I'm going to flip my lid.

And for further bad news (always hardware issues with me), one of the fan bearings rattles like crazy. I looked at it while running; the fan closest to the back of the PC is running about 1/2 RPM of the other two. With the video card out, that fan physically spins freely while the others do not. If fans are set to 40% or less, it barely spins at all. While temps stay relatively low, I'm certain that nothing on that side of the board is monitored and some components will be subject to overheating if that fan does crap out entirely.

I ended up buying one of these to be a stop-gap but I'm worried that it will do more harm than good. Running it at a low throttle for now.

In the meantime, I waffle between "f*** it, let the GPU fold" and "don't want my card to die" and "if it dies then you can finally throw it away" and "wait until the fixed card comes in before you kill it - what if the 'fixed' card isn't fixed" and "your laptop performs better anyway - you shouldn't even be bothering with this".

Crawdaddy79 Jun 29, 2020 11:50 AM

I've figured out that locking the fans at 80% (there is no point graph for this card, just a manual "right now and forever" adjust) prevents the most noise and keeps the card nice and cool while folding.

Default settings have them cranking up to 100% by the time the card hits 60C, which probably didn't help the wear and tear. According to the internet, the GPU is spec'd for 95C. New GPU BIOS updates probably fixed this but too late now.

Anyway back to folding - with these 134XX WUs I'm only getting about 140k less PPD than my Vega 64 anyway. All other projects, 7970 gets 210k PPD. This one, 110k PPD. It also runs much cooler.

Flyordie Jul 11, 2020 05:22 PM

Heat wave- Going back offline till it passes. Sorry guys.

(May run it at night when its cooler and the AC's can keep up.. but during the day, it'll be offline)

Crawdaddy79 Jul 11, 2020 09:19 PM

Understandable. Still surprised to learn that a liquid cooled component can produce so much heat, but it makes sense that the heat is being produced by the energy used anyway. It has to go somewhere. What if you used reference board clocks instead of shutting it down?

My 7970 has been holding up pretty well. It sounds like absolute donkey **** on a cold startup so I've just been letting it run at 80% fan throttle, avoiding turning off my PC. GPU temp stays at 63C or lower, which means the slow fan section is probably at 80C.

The very low PPD 134XX WUs I complained about earlier have been tinkered with. John Chodera has actually been posting in the folding forum, explaining why the PPD is so low and legitimately trying to fix the issue. Community outreach goes such a long way with keeping people engaged.

Now, some 134XX run at 180k PPD, others run at 350k PPD. I was hoping to have my V64 back by now. I've been seriously considering getting a 5700XT or RTX 2070 Super. The disorder about this is the 7970 seems to handle modern games surprisingly well. The only reason I want to upgrade is to increase my PPD.

Flyordie Jul 12, 2020 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawdaddy79 (Post 1338205297)
Understandable. Still surprised to learn that a liquid cooled component can produce so much heat, but it makes sense that the heat is being produced by the energy used anyway. It has to go somewhere. What if you used reference board clocks instead of shutting it down?

My 7970 has been holding up pretty well. It sounds like absolute donkey **** on a cold startup so I've just been letting it run at 80% fan throttle, avoiding turning off my PC. GPU temp stays at 63C or lower, which means the slow fan section is probably at 80C.

The very low PPD 134XX WUs I complained about earlier have been tinkered with. John Chodera has actually been posting in the folding forum, explaining why the PPD is so low and legitimately trying to fix the issue. Community outreach goes such a long way with keeping people engaged.

Now, some 134XX run at 180k PPD, others run at 350k PPD. I was hoping to have my V64 back by now. I've been seriously considering getting a 5700XT or RTX 2070 Super. The disorder about this is the 7970 seems to handle modern games surprisingly well. The only reason I want to upgrade is to increase my PPD.

I need this card to survive another year or 2. lol. So don't want to push it. 4 year upgrade cycle and all.

Crawdaddy79 Jul 17, 2020 12:51 PM

:wave: @ jima13. https://apps.foldingathome.org/wu?p=...clone=94&gen=6

Crawdaddy79 Jul 22, 2020 10:09 PM

KJ WTF https://folding.extremeoverclocking....php?s=&u=13759

KJ Jul 23, 2020 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawdaddy79 (Post 1338207983)

Iím too sweaty :cry:

Crawdaddy79 Jul 23, 2020 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJ (Post 1338208032)
I’m too sweaty :cry:

Well open your windows and take some clothes off. No excuses.

Going out of town for a bit. Laptop will be with me and big PC will be powered down. Only reason is because if that HD 7870 fan dies while we are gone it could become a fire hazard.

Gregor976 Jul 24, 2020 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawdaddy79 (Post 1338208047)
Well open your windows and take some clothes off. No excuses.

Going out of town for a bit. Laptop will be with me and big PC will be powered down. Only reason is because if that HD 7870 fan dies while we are gone it could become a fire hazard.


:lol:

I'm only folding with a single 1070, temp limited to 61c with auto fan (41-46%) and the [email protected], .950v.

absolutefunk Jul 26, 2020 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregor976 (Post 1338208295)
:lol:

I'm only folding with a single 1070, temp limited to 61c with auto fan (41-46%) and the [email protected], .950v.

I have a 1650 Super folding next to me, current temp also 61c with 37% fan. The card doesn't draw much but still manages to raise the room temps a few degrees :lol:

Crawdaddy79 Jul 31, 2020 07:06 AM

I intended to come back to this thread with a line chart showing a massive increase in PPD and ask the question, "Can you tell I got my Vega 64 back?"

Instead I post this:



Can you tell I got my Vega 64 back, and that it was not fixed? Tried to fold yesterday with a -14% downclock, and an aggressive fan ramp. This kept the card under 140W and under 68C. Still crashed.



Note: The Application errors to the left are all NahimicService.exe. It's trash but apparently if it's not installed and running, my speaker output option will randomly disappear.


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