Official Navi2x/6x00 series thread - Page 6

LordHawkwind · Nov 25, 2020, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falck

You're not a *true* AMD fan if you didn't buy the Radeon VII.

On that note, you want to buy a Radeon VII?

Lightly used, with box. Never mined or OC'ed!

Hey I did buy one and I can prove it. Bought it on Overclockers UK for £699 and then read the reviews and thought 'oh sh1t that fan noise' and managed to cancel it. So technically I did buy it

NIGELG · Nov 25, 2020, 07:00 PM

[quote=LordHawkwind;1338247476]

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Originally Posted by NIGELG

People like you have been predicting and wishing for the death or decline of AMD for years now.

Have I now. OK. Let's play top trumps shall we. I'll go first with my last three GPU purchases.

1. Sapphire AIB AMD Fury R9.
2. Sapphire Reference Vega 64.
3. Sapphire Pulse AIB 5700XT.

I've even been trying to buy an AMD 6800 or 6800XT.

Current CPU is a Zen+ 2700 with an Asus AMD X470 motherboard.

Would you care to comment or try and trump me

You have no patience. Wait until the sellers have stock. Is that so hard?

I don't know what is 'top trumps' nor am I interested in playing any game with you. Both AMD and Nvidia are having problems getting cards on the shelves and you know it .Why constantly whine about it?

KAC · Nov 25, 2020, 09:54 PM

What are prices of these AIBs? Seems no one knows the pricing.

Nascar24 · Nov 25, 2020, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KAC

What are prices of these AIBs? Seems no one knows the pricing.

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=6800+XT

So much for being cheaper then the 3080, Seems there are more $800 then $700 like it should be.

pax · Nov 25, 2020, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KAC

What are prices of these AIBs? Seems no one knows the pricing.

About 1050$ to 1300$ here for aibs...

CAD

Falck · Nov 26, 2020, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordHawkwind

Hey I did buy one and I can prove it. Bought it on Overclockers UK for £699 and then read the reviews and thought 'oh sh1t that fan noise' and managed to cancel it. So technically I did buy it

True I only wrote "buy". Should've written "owned over a period of x months".

CyanBlues · Nov 26, 2020, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar24

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=6800+XT

So much for being cheaper then the 3080, Seems there are more $800 then $700 like it should be.

AIB prices are crazy

, might as well wait for 3080's.

KAC · Nov 26, 2020, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar24

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=6800+XT

So much for being cheaper then the 3080, Seems there are more $800 then $700 like it should be.

Oh wow. I think I am very glad with my TUF 3080 for 749 w/ a decent overclock, runs cool and doesn't have cut down features. Am OK to sacrifice 3-6% raster performance for that in some hand picked games. Also got a free game with it.

TUF 6800XT is 809? 8% more expensive? Wtf?

Nagorak · Nov 26, 2020, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyanBlues

AIB prices are crazy

, might as well wait for 3080's.

Can't really blame them, to be honest. They've been struggling with AMD not having a high end card for years. Now that the getting is good, they understandably want to cash in.

All the cards will sell out anyway, so there's no need to price them well. The MSRP of the 3000 series is basically imaginary since they're not in stock anywhere at those prices anyway and the scalpers are charging hundreds more.

Sabadin · Nov 26, 2020, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pax

About 1050$ to 1300$ here for aibs...

CAD

I've seen as low as $850 Canuck bucks for the Sapphire 6800XT, there was no stock, but they did advertise that price.

**Trunks0** · Nov 26, 2020, 03:52 AM

What Canadian shop had them available at all?

GSGRUNT · Nov 26, 2020, 05:17 AM

For years I thought the bearded guy on Hardware Unboxed was an AMD shill(Red Team Plus). Today's video changed my mind. He strait out said it is his opinion that AMD is "playing dirty".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk20IzZN-xk ~12:16

Seyiji · Nov 26, 2020, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSGRUNT

For years I thought the bearded guy on Hardware Unboxed was an AMD shill(Red Team Plus). Today's video changed my mind. He strait out said it is his opinion that AMD is "playing dirty".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk20IzZN-xk ~12:16

What a sham(e)

I have the cash but with stock being the way it is and this price gouging from AMD the only winning move is not to p(l)ay

KAC · Nov 26, 2020, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSGRUNT

For years I thought the bearded guy on Hardware Unboxed was an AMD shill(Red Team Plus). Today's video changed my mind. He strait out said it is his opinion that AMD is "playing dirty".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk20IzZN-xk ~12:16

I have found him quite impartial in all his messaging since I started watching him.

pax · Nov 26, 2020, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nagorak

Can't really blame them, to be honest. They've been struggling with AMD not having a high end card for years. Now that the getting is good, they understandably want to cash in.

All the cards will sell out anyway, so there's no need to price them well. The MSRP of the 3000 series is basically imaginary since they're not in stock anywhere at those prices anyway and the scalpers are charging hundreds more.

The only 3000's Im seeing available up here are the 3070 at 800$ CAD or the 3090 at 3000$.

So its shitshow all around.

pax · Nov 26, 2020, 10:54 AM

Man almost 2.8 ghz on the strix wc (2743 mhz).

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/a...cooled/39.html

Quote:

Overclocking works really well on the ASUS RX 6800 XT STRIX OC LC. My jaw dropped when I passed the 2700 MHz boost setting in Radeon Settings, and it just kept on going and going. I almost maxed out the GPU frequency slider, which ends at 2800 MHz!

Increasing the power limit has no effect, the card already has enough power headroom at default.

Quote:

AMD RX 6800 2472 MHz 2140 MHz 197.2 FPS
AMD RX 6800 XT 2322 MHz 2140 MHz 219.8 FPS
AMD RX 6800 XT @ Max Power Limit 2572 MHz 2140 MHz 235.5 FPS
ASUS RX 6800 XT STRIX OC LC 2743 MHz 2140 MHz 248.5 FPS
PowerColor RX 6800 XT Red Devil 2563 MHz 2140 MHz 235.1 FPS
Sapphire RX 6800 XT Nitro+ 2622 MHz 2140 MHz 237.5 FPS

They got a good oc on the nitro+ vs the red devil...

SuperGeil · Nov 26, 2020, 11:25 AM

That's a pretty significant increase in performance vs stock clocks.

bill dennison · Nov 26, 2020, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pax

Man almost 2.8 ghz on the strix wc (2743 mhz).

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/a...cooled/39.html

They got a good oc on the nitro+ vs the red devil...

and TPU didn't test it on a ryzen 5000 with SAM

pax · Nov 26, 2020, 12:01 PM

One thing to mention is that many think theres only 1000 of the PC red devils being made. Its only 1000 of the special edition with the aluminium keycaps. They will make more without that hopefully for a bit less than 800$.

Leprechaun · Nov 26, 2020, 12:51 PM

So more than a 10% overclock? Doesn't this put it into the 6900xt territory?
Are the preliminary AIB prices staying as posted yesterday? If so this thing will cost a fortune

SuperGeil · Nov 26, 2020, 02:03 PM

3070 gets trounced by the 6800.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=braSQtZ3wR8

Higgy10 · Nov 26, 2020, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperGeil

3070 gets trounced by the 6800.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=braSQtZ3wR8

ya ive noticed that as well, amd does really well in general at 1080p and 1440p. Thats kind of surprising to me

**Gandalfthewhite** · Nov 26, 2020, 04:18 PM

it is where the infinity cache shines. The hit rate for infinity cache is only like 53% at 4k at the other resolutions it is somewhere around 80%

bill dennison · Nov 26, 2020, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gandalfthewhite

it is where the infinity cache shines. The hit rate for infinity cache is only like 53% at 4k at the other resolutions it is somewhere around 80%

maybe a 256MB of Infinity Cache for 4k next time

**Gandalfthewhite** · Nov 26, 2020, 04:54 PM

that is ALOT of die space that would be taken up. I think what is more likely is them actually using a combination of infinity cache and HBM2 (prices are way lower now than 2 years ago and will be even lower next year)

SuperGeil · Nov 26, 2020, 05:00 PM

More infinity cache is a given if they go chiplets.

bill dennison · Nov 26, 2020, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gandalfthewhite

that is ALOT of die space that would be taken up. I think what is more likely is them actually using a combination of infinity cache and HBM2 (prices are way lower now than 2 years ago and will be even lower next year)

yea and i forgot Navi 3 is most likely MCM or chiplet so HBM is more likely
maybe something to do with xilinx

LordHawkwind · Nov 26, 2020, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pax

Man almost 2.8 ghz on the strix wc (2743 mhz).

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/a...cooled/39.html

They got a good oc on the nitro+ vs the red devil...

Pax you can't buy these cards they're vapour ware

Plus AMD are screwing the AIB's on chip prices so the card prices are insane. More expensive than a 3080 for less performance overall and pretty shite RT performance. AMD are heading for a big fall here TBH. The card is not worth the money they will go for at retail. The jacket is pi**ing his pants laughing at this debacle. Amazing how AMD have got so many things wrong TBH. After Nvidia's launch issues they had a massive advantage and fuc8ed it up. Sad.

LordHawkwind · Nov 26, 2020, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperGeil

3070 gets trounced by the 6800.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=braSQtZ3wR8

OK by the time you can buy a 6800 the 3070ti will be out and it will trounce the 6800. Currently AMD have no 6800 cards in the retail channel. They are officially non existent. When will they appear? Who knows. Maybe never if M$ and Sony have a say. Lisa Su said the 6800 would be out before the consoles so where are they? Missing in action maybe?

LordHawkwind · Nov 26, 2020, 06:06 PM

[quote=NIGELG;1338247544]

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordHawkwind

You have no patience. Wait until the sellers have stock. Is that so hard?

I don't know what is 'top trumps' nor am I interested in playing any game with you. Both AMD and Nvidia are having problems getting cards on the shelves and you know it .Why constantly whine about it?

NigelG I called you out because you said I was anti AMD. I proved my credentials that I' m not anti AMD by posting my last GPU purchases and CPU. I even bought the Radeon VII briefly. I expected you to do the same but you didn't.

So you're calling me anti AMD. Really. So you own an AMD 580 and an Intel CPU OK. So I'm anti AMD and you're what? An MD fanboi? AMD is not your mother/father/brother/sister it's a corporate entity that has no persona that doesn't know who you are and doesn't like or dislike you. Get over it it's the same as Nvidia it's a company owned by shareholders who want to make profits so they can pay dividends. It's not a divine body

Take off the tinted glasses and see the world as it really is.

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Nov 25, 2020, 09:54 PM	#153
KAC All ur gays r belong 2 me Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lahore Posts: 66,840	What are prices of these AIBs? Seems no one knows the pricing.

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Nov 26, 2020, 03:52 AM	#161
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Nov 26, 2020, 05:17 AM	#162
GSGRUNT No chops 🎸 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Seat of the mockers Posts: 5,960	For years I thought the bearded guy on Hardware Unboxed was an AMD shill(Red Team Plus). Today's video changed my mind. He strait out said it is his opinion that AMD is "playing dirty". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk20IzZN-xk ~12:16 __________________ Seeking intellectual objective truth.

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Nov 26, 2020, 11:25 AM	#167
SuperGeil Radeon R420 Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Berlin Posts: 247	That's a pretty significant increase in performance vs stock clocks.

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Nov 26, 2020, 12:01 PM	#169
pax Rage3D Spammer Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Grand Falls, New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 30,186	One thing to mention is that many think theres only 1000 of the PC red devils being made. Its only 1000 of the special edition with the aluminium keycaps. They will make more without that hopefully for a bit less than 800$. __________________

Nov 26, 2020, 12:51 PM	#170
Leprechaun Radeon Arctic Islands Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hamilton Posts: 5,941	So more than a 10% overclock? Doesn't this put it into the 6900xt territory? Are the preliminary AIB prices staying as posted yesterday? If so this thing will cost a fortune __________________ CURRENT PC: Seasonic X760 Gold \| Corsair 600TM case \| 32GB RAM \| Some AM4 mobo \| AMD 3900X \|Lots of SSD and NVME \| EVGA RTX 3090 \| Some LG 4k monitor

Nov 26, 2020, 02:03 PM	#171
SuperGeil Radeon R420 Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Berlin Posts: 247	3070 gets trounced by the 6800. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=braSQtZ3wR8

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Nov 26, 2020, 04:18 PM	#173
Gandalfthewhite Hardware Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Middle Earth also known as AZ Posts: 9,620	it is where the infinity cache shines. The hit rate for infinity cache is only like 53% at 4k at the other resolutions it is somewhere around 80% __________________ Main rig: look at system spec tab Storage Server: Dual AMD Opteron 6120 CPUs, 64Gigs ECC Ram 50TB usable space across 3 zfs2 pools HOURGLASS = most appropriate named ICON/CURSOR in the Windows world :-) In a dank corner of ATI central, the carpet covered with corn flakes, the faint sound of clicking can be heard........Click......click, click............as the fate of the graphics world and the future of the human race hangs in the balance. I know....I know........Keep my day job :-)- catcather

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Nov 26, 2020, 04:54 PM	#175
Gandalfthewhite Hardware Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Middle Earth also known as AZ Posts: 9,620	that is ALOT of die space that would be taken up. I think what is more likely is them actually using a combination of infinity cache and HBM2 (prices are way lower now than 2 years ago and will be even lower next year) __________________ Main rig: look at system spec tab Storage Server: Dual AMD Opteron 6120 CPUs, 64Gigs ECC Ram 50TB usable space across 3 zfs2 pools HOURGLASS = most appropriate named ICON/CURSOR in the Windows world :-) In a dank corner of ATI central, the carpet covered with corn flakes, the faint sound of clicking can be heard........Click......click, click............as the fate of the graphics world and the future of the human race hangs in the balance. I know....I know........Keep my day job :-)- catcather

Nov 26, 2020, 05:00 PM	#176
SuperGeil Radeon R420 Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Berlin Posts: 247	More infinity cache is a given if they go chiplets.

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