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Old May 4, 2017, 07:28 PM   #1
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ4LlBPX3TU

...so, basically dont overclock the 7700k. wat.
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Mine does spike hard, and it's at stock. It comes down pretty quickly though.

To be fair my 4770K did the same thing, but it was overclocked.
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so all these things are hitting 90c to 99c
put the bloody tea pot on it

and so all these 7700k 5ghz warriors have voided warranties
how can they tell you oc ?




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this is almost as good for PR as new coke in 85

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so all these things are hitting 90c to 99c
put the bloody tea pot on it

and so all these 7700k 5ghz warriors have voided warranties
how can they tell you oc ?





http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-tells-...id-high-temps/

this is almost as good for PR as new coke in 85
I have mine at 5.1 ghz and it's not dellid. I get decent temps(mid to upper 70) as i posted in the 7700k overclock thread. You just got to know what to do with bios settings to get good temps.


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I have mine at 5.1 ghz and it's not dellid. I get decent temps(mid to upper 70) as i posted in the 7700k overclock thread. You just got to know what to do with bios settings to get good temps.
video said someone got 30c from deliding what is intel using for tim oatmeal
my 3770k was not near that bad

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/0...pike_problems/


I can't get my x1800 to hit 63c
and no spiking
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video said someone got 30c from deliding what is intel using for tim oatmeal
my 3770k was not near that bad

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/0...pike_problems/


I can't get my x1800 to hit 63c
and no spiking
Decent for non OC'd, but not sure if you want to OC. Since it would void your x1800 warranty..
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So this just randomly pops out of nowhere a year after the chip is out? And no one finds that suspicious? Seems like it may be correlated with the Creators update, something triggering extremely high usage and spiking temps. AVX instructions seem to spike Intel temps pretty hardcore, wonder if the mixup involves AVX somehow.

Strange as can be though, doesn't really make any sense.
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So this just randomly pops out of nowhere a year after the chip is out? And no one finds that suspicious? Seems like it may be correlated with the Creators update, something triggering extremely high usage and spiking temps. AVX instructions seem to spike Intel temps pretty hardcore, wonder if the mixup involves AVX somehow.

Strange as can be though, doesn't really make any sense.
The article said new owners are complaining about. A Quick google seems to indicate it's affecting new chips. Maybe there's some defect with Jan chip batch.

Edit: The problem could be Window's WinSat.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/co...7700k/dh440kz/
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Ahhh I see. Someone ****ed up at the factory pretty ridiculous if the TIM got even worse considering how bad it's been since the 3xxx series
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The article said new owners are complaining about. A Quick google seems to indicate it's affecting new chips. Maybe there's some defect with Jan chip batch.

Edit: The problem could be Window's WinSat.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/co...7700k/dh440kz/
just on 7700k systems ?

it's not on any on my 3 win 10 systems
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Sorry, not happening across the board at all. Highest temps EVER that I see is 75C, and that's with the H80i set to quiet mode and Prime95 in small FFTs for maximum CPU heat. But am running all stock on a TUF series board. If I crank up the H80i to performance mode the highest temperature ever is 72C.

I don't understand what spikes they are talking about. Over on the H forum, about half the 7700K users have seen it, half have not. There's more to this story and I don't think it's a batch thing, though it IS possible. Admittedly, 72-75C is very very hot running. I knew that going into this though. No delidding results in this average. I nailed that average with my silicon lottery pick. I certainly don't think this is anywhere NEAR a golden chip though, I think mine is the average and there are no temp spikes.

Edit: Another admission, I claim it's not a golden chip, but truth is, other then the stock Prime95 testing I've done, I have no clue what kind of overclocker it may be. It may be a golden clocker, I will likely never know...
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I'm not really surprised about the response. While the K processors are unlocked, they company can't officially sanction overclocking. It will technically still void the warranty (although how would they realistically know?). Delidding voiding the warranty is pretty obvious, and I doubt anyone who's done that didn't realize they were SOL if they broke the processor.
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just on 7700k systems ?

it's not on any on my 3 win 10 systems
I just disabled it on my works laptop on Win 10 and that's an i3. You need to run taskschd.msc, browse to local then library then Microsoft maintenance. It then shows up and you right click to disable.
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Sorry, not happening across the board at all. Highest temps EVER that I see is 75C, and that's with the H80i set to quiet mode and Prime95 in small FFTs for maximum CPU heat. But am running all stock on a TUF series board. If I crank up the H80i to performance mode the highest temperature ever is 72C.

I don't understand what spikes they are talking about. Over on the H forum, about half the 7700K users have seen it, half have not. There's more to this story and I don't think it's a batch thing, though it IS possible. Admittedly, 72-75C is very very hot running. I knew that going into this though. No delidding results in this average. I nailed that average with my silicon lottery pick. I certainly don't think this is anywhere NEAR a golden chip though, I think mine is the average and there are no temp spikes.

Edit: Another admission, I claim it's not a golden chip, but truth is, other then the stock Prime95 testing I've done, I have no clue what kind of overclocker it may be. It may be a golden clocker, I will likely never know...
Delid plz for the love of god lol. My 6700k @ 4.8ghz doesnt even hit 65c on 100% on an aio and I never even delided it.
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Delid plz for the love of god lol. My 6700k @ 4.8ghz doesnt even hit 65c on 100% on an aio and I never even delided it.
You delid! Don't tell me to delid! That's so rude! (I'm so kidding here, humor doesn't translate well to text).

But seriously, no. Why should I? You DO realize I'm so far inside Intel's thermal spec for this chip that tjunction is still averaging 25C higher then I am at under full load, I won't run any warmer then this. Nor do I care. I'm not overclocking! My chip will last YEARS at 75C with no sweat. Why? Because it's STOCK CLOCKED. They are designed to run like this. OMG, people get SO spoiled by overclocking temperatures that they freak out when stock functions pop up in their faces.

I think you'd lose your mind dealing with stock cooling. And guess what? It works fine. CPUs last for many years with those just fine. If you're not pushing the clocks outside of stock, then running way below tjunction is completely warranted and not a problem. Quit freaking out, LOL!

Edit: Also, my temperatures are well within averages for this processor on this cooler. I am completely within Intel warranty status and have no fears or worries about how this chip can handle running like this.
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Why bother with the z chipset and a k sku then? Rather pointless if that was your goal.
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Sorry, not happening across the board at all. Highest temps EVER that I see is 75C, and that's with the H80i set to quiet mode and Prime95 in small FFTs for maximum CPU heat. But am running all stock on a TUF series board. If I crank up the H80i to performance mode the highest temperature ever is 72C.

I don't understand what spikes they are talking about. Over on the H forum, about half the 7700K users have seen it, half have not. There's more to this story and I don't think it's a batch thing, though it IS possible. Admittedly, 72-75C is very very hot running. I knew that going into this though. No delidding results in this average. I nailed that average with my silicon lottery pick. I certainly don't think this is anywhere NEAR a golden chip though, I think mine is the average and there are no temp spikes.

Edit: Another admission, I claim it's not a golden chip, but truth is, other then the stock Prime95 testing I've done, I have no clue what kind of overclocker it may be. It may be a golden clocker, I will likely never know...
What RPM does your H80i pump run at in quiet mode?
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Delid plz for the love of god lol. My 6700k @ 4.8ghz doesnt even hit 65c on 100% on an aio and I never even delided it.
Risk screwing up a delidding because of 75C max when doing AVX torture tests? lol

I don't think so. That's a perfectly fine temp for Prime small FFT's; well below what the chip can take before it throttles. Besides if 75C is that big of a deal for some odd reason, then just do an AVX offset.
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Risk screwing up a delidding because of 75C max when doing AVX torture tests? lol

I don't think so. That's a perfectly fine temp for Prime small FFT's; well below what the chip can take before it throttles. Besides if 75C is that big of a deal for some odd reason, then just do an AVX offset.
Have you ever delided a chip? Before with a vice and now a days with like a 20 dollar tool? I delided a few skylake/kabylake processors with delidding tools it took 4mins and it could not possibly be easier. It's like opening a soda bottle.

All this talk about my use purposes blah blah. Money wasted on a Z chipet and a K sku. Most expensives things are the things you will never use. That chipset and k premium could of gone to a bigger nvme, which I am sure something that OP would actually use.
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Yes. Outside of LN I've done pretty much everything one can do with overclocking. And it's still a risk, even with the ebay kits

You're telling a guy who runs his 7700K at stock to delid merely because his temp hits 72C-75C max during AVX max heat torture tests. That's bad advice, sorry

I'll bet his chip hits 65C-70C max when doing anything non-AVX at 100%. And how often is his system running at 100% constantly in the first place? Probably never, except when he's doing torture tests or benchmarking. When gaming I'll bet he hits around 60C-65C max with an average temp much lower than that - big whoop. The chip won't even throttle until 90C... there's absolutely no reason to tell him to risk delidding

moshpit - do what you want obviously, but I don't think there's any good reason for you to risk delidding when you're merely running stock and your max AVX temps are 75C
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Yes. Outside of LN I've done pretty much everything one can do with overclocking. And it's still a risk, even with the ebay kits

You're telling a guy who runs his 7700K at stock to delid merely because his temp hits 72C-75C max during AVX max heat torture tests. That's bad advice, sorry

I'll bet his chip hits 65C-70C max when doing anything non-AVX at 100%. And how often is his system running at 100% constantly in the first place? Probably never, except when he's doing torture tests or benchmarking. When gaming I'll bet he hits around 60C-65C max with an average temp much lower than that - big whoop. The chip won't even throttle until 90C... there's absolutely no reason to tell him to risk delidding

moshpit - do what you want obviously, but I don't think there's any good reason for you to risk delidding when you're merely running stock and your max AVX temps are 75C
75c runing stock clock on kaby is a joke. I am well are of the threadshold temp. However, if anything heat is killer of all components. Why run something 20+c hotter for years when you don't need to.
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75C for AVX is just fine. And if that's too high for his tastes, set the AVX offset to -1; which is a hell of a lot safer doing that than delidding.

Regardless he's probably 10C less than that for everything non-AVX at 100%. And he probably hits 100% like, never; except when he's torture testing.

So why take the risk of ruining a chip when he doesn't need to?
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75C for AVX is just fine.

Why take the risk of ruining a chip when he doesn't need to?
For... science?
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Easy to say when it's someone else's chip and money
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I just de-lidded my 3770K while doing a full transplant of my rig from a HAF-X to a Corsair 750D, prepping it for my sister who is getting the entire box when i leave for basic in ~two weeks. Got the 750D from one of my pops customers.

The de-lid tool is literally retard proof. You'd have to be ****ing braindead to mess up and damage your chip. Simple as pop it into the holder, close it, and use the allenkey to twist until you hear the "pop". Open it up, and the IHS comes right off. I sanded down the inside of the IHS, the outside of the IHS that contacts the heatsink, and the copper block on my H100. Temps are solid, 65c after a half-hour of BF1 @ 4.6/1.3v. I'm sure the temps will drop down slightly once the Kryonaut Grizzly settles in a bit under the IHS.

Really like this 750D. Beautiful case, awesome to work in. My cable management is so much better in this thing compared to the HAF-X, and the full window instead of the ugly ass fan on the side makes everything look that much better

Temps actually improved. I think it's a case of "less is more". I have only two front fans that came with the 750D airflow edition, the h100 on the top, and my titanx hybrid cooler in the rear. Nothing else. In the HAF-X I had an extra 120 blowing cool air at the GPU, the side 240mm fan, two top 240mm .. so was worried my GPU temps would go up, as I was hitting 60c playing BF1 yesterday .. nope. Actually, my temps today are only hitting 54c, though it is slightly cooler in the house. I changed the fans from the crap AF120's i had on there (not meant for rad cooling) in a push-pull to a single ML120. Cooler, quieter, better.

Haven't done a full re-build like that in years, was actually enjoyable. Had some nice father/son time and knocked it out in ~3 hours.

I'll put up some pics in a bit.
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I just de-lidded my 3770K while doing a full transplant of my rig from a HAF-X to a Corsair 750D, prepping it for my sister who is getting the entire box when i leave for basic in ~two weeks. Got the 750D from one of my pops customers.

The de-lid tool is literally retard proof. You'd have to be ****ing braindead to mess up and damage your chip. Simple as pop it into the holder, close it, and use the allenkey to twist until you hear the "pop". Open it up, and the IHS comes right off. I sanded down the inside of the IHS, the outside of the IHS that contacts the heatsink, and the copper block on my H100. Temps are solid, 65c after a half-hour of BF1 @ 4.6/1.3v. I'm sure the temps will drop down slightly once the Kryonaut Grizzly settles in a bit under the IHS.

Really like this 750D. Beautiful case, awesome to work in. My cable management is so much better in this thing compared to the HAF-X, and the full window instead of the ugly ass fan on the side makes everything look that much better

Temps actually improved. I think it's a case of "less is more". I have only two front fans that came with the 750D airflow edition, the h100 on the top, and my titanx hybrid cooler in the rear. Nothing else. In the HAF-X I had an extra 120 blowing cool air at the GPU, the side 240mm fan, two top 240mm .. so was worried my GPU temps would go up, as I was hitting 60c playing BF1 yesterday .. nope. Actually, my temps today are only hitting 54c, though it is slightly cooler in the house. I changed the fans from the crap AF120's i had on there (not meant for rad cooling) in a push-pull to a single ML120. Cooler, quieter, better.

Haven't done a full re-build like that in years, was actually enjoyable. Had some nice father/son time and knocked it out in ~3 hours.

I'll put up some pics in a bit.
It literally is retarded proof. Mosh if i buy one for KAC and hes able to delid will you?
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Everytime someone says something is retard-proof, here comes humanity & Murphy's law to show you wrong

Either way, the guy is running stock speeds and hits 75C only when having to do AVX. Do you really think that's his average temp 24/7? Probably not even close. Is he running the processor at 100% 24/7? Doubtful. Is he running AVX instructions 24/7? Double doubtful.

Face reality here for a second - he's probably running an average daily temp that's just above idle temps - and his chip is hitting that 75C probably for a few seconds a year. And that's still 15C below when it starts to throttle, and 25C less than what the silicon can take. You think that's going to ruin the chip over a 20 year period? lmao whatver - hell he probably won't even have the chip that long in the first place.

Yeah great reasons all around to delid - you guys are hilarious. I mean don't get me wrong, there's cases where delidding makes sense - his situation isn't one of them.
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Oh wasn't jumping in on whether he should do it or not. Don't care really.. but the tool is insanely easy to use and I can't see how you could damage the chip. It won't fit the wrong way and won't close if it's not seated properly
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