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Old Dec 28, 2020, 03:13 PM   #241
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Btw, I just spent 1+ hours of playing Cyberjunk 2077. Now I have all possible things enabled but the CPU never boosted beyond 4.7 Gs (with the exception of odd 4.8 here or there). Usually ran at 4625 and at 62 C. This is with the 1.25 volts. I am really pissed off because the CPU can surely boost higher than this. Will see how far it boosts with auto volts.

You do realize that you are pretty much bang on from what most reviewers are getting for Ryzen3 OC's.

AMD OCing headroom isn't massive in terms of gains and clock speeds. And you need to jump through hoops. You need to make that memory is 1:1 with the infinity fabric otherwise once you move from 1:1 to 1:2 you see massive performance loss. So OCing memory above 3600MHz on AMD is shotty at best. Then there is PBO vs tradiditon OC PBO being a better bet and just Let AMD's auto OC do its thing.

If you wanted to just throw tons of voltage and crank clock speeds you should've went Intel.
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Old Dec 28, 2020, 04:25 PM   #242
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Really see no point in trying to Overclock Ryzen's, its been a known fact you dont gain much from it for years. I guess if that's what one likes to do, Intel would have been the way to go as they always leave room to OC, Ryzen pushes it almost to max out of the box, the way I like it, I dont have to touch it. Its still generally the fastest CPU out of the box right now. And until you get faster GPU's your not even close to maxing the 5900X out. Still would make no sense to buy another CPU until this one is maxed out, unless all you want to do is fiddle around with overclocking.
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Old Dec 28, 2020, 04:46 PM   #243
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Btw, I just spent 1+ hours of playing Cyberjunk 2077. Now I have all possible things enabled but the CPU never boosted beyond 4.7 Gs (with the exception of odd 4.8 here or there). Usually ran at 4625 and at 62 C. This is with the 1.25 volts. I am really pissed off because the CPU can surely boost higher than this. Will see how far it boosts with auto volts.

Sounds about right for multi core boost
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KAC you'd be better off just letting the CPU do its thing. set your infinity fabric to 1800 and OC the memory to 3600mhz and just enjoy it.
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Just think KAC - you could have a 3090 right now if you didnt make this pointless upgrade from your intel system.
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Old Dec 28, 2020, 08:11 PM   #246
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Don't worry, he'll get that too.. right after he gets a 10900k next week.
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KAC you'd be better off just letting the CPU do its thing. set your infinity fabric to 1800 and OC the memory to 3600mhz and just enjoy it.
Agree. Basically what I've done. I don't mind fiddling with hardware but any more I like plug 'n play.
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I feel KAC want to achieve the same frequency as on intel 5 point something with Ryzen 12c ...
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You do realize that you are pretty much bang on from what most reviewers are getting for Ryzen3 OC's.

AMD OCing headroom isn't massive in terms of gains and clock speeds. And you need to jump through hoops. You need to make that memory is 1:1 with the infinity fabric otherwise once you move from 1:1 to 1:2 you see massive performance loss. So OCing memory above 3600MHz on AMD is shotty at best. Then there is PBO vs tradiditon OC PBO being a better bet and just Let AMD's auto OC do its thing.

If you wanted to just throw tons of voltage and crank clock speeds you should've went Intel.
I am already running 1:1 at 3733 DDR and 1867 IF. Reviewers have been getting 1900-2000 from the CPU which I haven’t been able to.

Voltage is something that I set down because of the stupid over volts that PBO does by giving the processor 1.45-1.48 under MC loads. I will set it back to auto and play Cyberpunk to see if it boosts higher with auto volts. However that is likely to make the CPU run at 80C+ again.
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Just think KAC - you could have a 3090 right now if you didnt make this pointless upgrade from your intel system.
Honestly that would’ve been a better outcome than this crap.
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Honestly that would’ve been a better outcome than this crap.
No ... It would have been a very borring outcome..You can't deny now that you knew that the performance was minimal but you bought the AMD system anyway and you even take the drama to actually source the 5900x from US.Let's not also take into account the time you spent canceling various AMD CPU's.This AMD rig is not about the performance but about the new experience and get yourself from borring and lamentation state that you were..You wouldn't do it otherwise..Cut the crap with regrets and **** now KAC.Just say it out loud .... I love how AMD system nudged me out from confort zone.
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Well I did learn a lot about AMD and it’s products. They are not for me if that is what you mean.

For me the best part was building the system. I am thinking about buying another one and building it. Intel this time though. Also I just sold my dead EK Predator 360 for 80 bucks so am going to order the EK AIO with extra gay RGB.
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z590 boards will be out soon, before RKL launches. Perhaps wait for those to ensure you get all features - it's a bit of a gamble with z490 boards.. the high end boards claim they support everything, but who knows.. at least with z590 you can be sure.
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Well I did learn a lot about AMD and it’s products. They are not for me if that is what you mean.

For me the best part was building the system. I am thinking about buying another one and building it. Intel this time though. Also I just sold my dead EK Predator 360 for 80 bucks so am going to order the EK AIO with extra gay RGB.
C'mon KAC just don't lie to yourself ... Intel is borring really.It's just too easy.It's complacency..You have been with Intel for so much.The 2020 year was the year of shaking people to the core.For you actually came as an AMD system symbolically....
On one hand you swear at this AMD system but you invest a lot of time in it tuning it ?....You already invested so much money in it and lost money.By switching back to intel with RKL and selling the current AMD you will lose more money and more remorse and s*it.Let's be honest you said you wanted something else and not a 6c or even 8c.Also you said you want 5950X 16c ?
How is whole plan is about Intel anymore ? Intel have nothing above 8c when RKL lands.Intel is off the table and you know it.
I bet on demo's underwear that in 6 months you will be so knowledgeable about your AMD rig that you don't want to go back to intel.You are too obssesed with tuning it.
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Of course I will purchase what is best at the time of purchase. However, this will be my last AMD for a while. Maybe in next 10 years they have something that is meaningful again.

It already took them 10 years to get here.
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Of course I will purchase what is best at the time of purchase. However, this will be my last AMD for a while. Maybe in next 10 years they have something that is meaningful again.

It already took them 10 years to get here.
Why you don't consider it meaningful ?
Unless Intel will move to 10nm somehow or even pay TSMC they will be behind in the next years.Already is happening by not having more than 8c.Also pushing the 14nm to the very edge is a proof that Intel is in a questionable situation imo.
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We will see what Intel does or does not bring to the table.
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No matter what they bring I bet you won't notice any difference. You have a monster CPU, shut up and be happy.
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Yeah it runs fine. I just maybe expected more (even wrongly). This whole taking control away from me for my clocks is something that doesn't sit well with me. I remember first time nVidia did it and how pissed I was. However, the boost algorithm is well understood and you can work it to your will within 30-50 MHz range on almost all cards with experimentation.

This ****ing thing has a complete mind of its own. I have seen it go as low as 300 MHz and as high as 5.1 Gs. It also applies volts whateva the **** it wants. Which at least I got control and fixed to 1.25. I like the computer to respond to what it is being told to do, not sit around on the side wondering what is the sauce behind what it is doing. It makes absolutely no sense that it never boosts above 4.2 Gs in CR20 running MC test as utilization is 100%. It can very well boost till 4.7 Gs as I see it do in games. Its just ****ing stupid.

Anyways, been boning games with all the monitoring crap off. Runs fast as it could.
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Reviewers have been getting 1900-2000 from the CPU which I haven’t been able to.
How are they doing it though? I don't think that's really possible for every motherboard, ram, and CPU combination currently. More often than not it seems like reviewers get fantastic results, whereas many actual end users cannot achieve the same end.

The CL14 3800mhz memory I had, which was samsung b-die, would not run at 1900 IF stable. Rather than fight with it to try and eek it out by relaxing timings or otherwise messing with it, I just got a dual rank set with even better timings at 3600mhz instead. And it was plug 'n play, a total piece of cake.
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I have read a few reviews claiming that 1900 was easy and some also hit 2000. I just don’t see it possible on my motherboard. I have best board from VRM perspective so not sure what is the issue. Heck I can’t even get the ram to tighten its timings like I have been able to do with most sticks in the past. I think I have just given up. 5.1 Gs from time to time is it. Mostly it is 4.7-4.8 Gs MC in gaming and that is what matters tbh. The positive news is I have really kept temps in check now with worst games (COD CW and IFR) only hitting 71-73 C after hours upon hours of playing. At least the stupid ****ing is not giving it 1.481 volts of juice to overheat the shite out of the processor.

I will just have to live with shitty benching scores with this setup. Oh well.
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I don't have a Ryzen to compare, but be wary of what reviewers say passes benchmarks and what is really game stable/smooth..

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Excellent point as many game engines will crash on an on that would pass for 3dmark.
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A lot of the reviewers, like Gamers Nexus, run really aggressive overclocks also. I think they use too much voltage, especially on Ryzen, which is probably fine for just testing, but much more questionable for long term use. Non-reviewers also often don't know what they're doing and use absolutely ridiculous amounts of voltage because "they don't care if their CPU lasts ten years", not realizing that they could be shortening the lifespan to under a year. The best rule is to take whatever OC results you see with a serious grain of salt, and subtract 100-200 MHz from them.

With Ryzen, if you want more performance overclocking the CPU is largely a waste of time. The boost algorithm doesn't really leave any extra performance on the table. Going forward I doubt there's going to be any advantage overclocking on Intel either (there already barely was even with the 9000 series). The increased competition, and lack of easy process gains, means that the CPU makers are going to make sure they fully optimize frequency right out of the box.

The new frontier for overclocking is now memory overclocking. You can get upwards of a 20% performance boost by manually tuning your memory timings vs running XMP settings. This is especially true on high quality kits, because the default XMP settings are basically garbage, and will run the kit as if it was a cheap kit. XMP only sets the primary timings, so the motherboard configures everything else, and the mobo makers care more about compatibility than max performance. In particular, TRC and TRFC are set way too loose. On my Ryzen boards, TRC and TRFC are set to 85 and 600 something at 3600 MHz, vs 28 and 270 being stable on well binned Samsung b-die. Changing just those two settings adds at least 10% performance, possibly more.
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Most of this thread is related to user error and/or unrealistic expectations. The Ryzen 5000 CPUs are excellent, perhaps the best available today, but they don't work like Intel CPUs (in terms of overclocking), so it isn't reasonable to except similar results when tuning/overclocking. This is not due to a fault in AMD's product.
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Most of this thread is related to user error and/or unrealistic expectations. The Ryzen 5000 CPUs are excellent, perhaps the best available today, but they don't work like Intel CPUs (in terms of overclocking), so it isn't reasonable to except similar results when tuning/overclocking. This is not due to a fault in AMD's product.
Absolutely, couldn't agree more. I think most people in this thread made such recommendations from the outset... His previous CPU was just fine.
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Most of this thread is related to user error and/or unrealistic expectations. The Ryzen 5000 CPUs are excellent, perhaps the best available today, but they don't work like Intel CPUs (in terms of overclocking), so it isn't reasonable to except similar results when tuning/overclocking. This is not due to a fault in AMD's product.
What user error are you referring to? Care to enlighten me? Also this is a thread about AMD overclocking not about my choice to go AMD. You can talk about that in the other thread.
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