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Old Apr 18, 2017, 12:25 AM   #1
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Default Intel Cancels Intel Developer Forum, Including IDF17

https://www.techpowerup.com/232434/i...idf17#comments

Why this Ryzen year ... This is kinda big ...
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 03:56 AM   #2
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It seems and feels like Intel is shifting and stepping away from the processor industry. Ian from Anandtech got a response back from Intel:

I just got off the phone with Intel, discussing why IDF is being cancelled. The main reason I was given is that Intel has been changing rapidly over the last two-to-three years, especially as they are changing from a PC-centric company to a data-centric company. With the rise of AI, FPGAs, Optane, IoT, wireless comms, automotive, and the other new areas that Intel is moving into, Intel felt that IDF no longer fills the need when it comes to giving out information. As a result, the decision has been made to find new ways to communicate with the audience (media, developers and companies) and the ecosystem with targeted events. These will be like the recent AI Day or Manufacturing Day, or be connected to partner events, or involve separate geocentric events. So rather than have one big melee on everything, Intel is set to split its message across several different areas in the hope that it accurately digs deep enough into every area. I was told that Intel wants to find a better way to present the experiences in each of the fields, and this is the way to do that.
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Welp, looks like ryzen was the final nail in the 5 % ipc coffin.

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If anyone thinks this has anything to do with Ryzen ..
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Welp, looks like ryzen was the final nail in the 5 % ipc coffin.

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If anyone thinks this has anything to do with Ryzen ..
Yeah, I don't take these type of remarks seriously. Intel is doing fine. Will their profits be lower this quarter specifically due to Ryzen? Perhaps. Will their year-on-year sales decline? I wouldn't be surprised, but if anything it will be due to an overall drop in the industry thanks to rising RAM prices. $100 more in a $1500+ build doesn't mean that much to us enthusiasts but $50 more in a $300 OEM box is HUGE.

On the specific topic of this thread, I'm sad to see IDF go. It, along with Hot Chips, was one of the few industry events to bother to take a deep dive on CPUs each year. A subject which I have been interested in for the majority of my life. I hope Hot Chips doesn't disappear too!
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Yeah, I don't take these type of remarks seriously. Intel is doing fine. Will their profits be lower this quarter specifically due to Ryzen? Perhaps. Will their year-on-year sales decline? I wouldn't be surprised, but if anything it will be due to an overall drop in the industry thanks to rising RAM prices. $100 more in a $1500+ build doesn't mean that much to us enthusiasts but $50 more in a $300 OEM box is HUGE.

On the specific topic of this thread, I'm sad to see IDF go. It, along with Hot Chips, was one of the few industry events to bother to take a deep dive on CPUs each year. A subject which I have been interested in for the majority of my life. I hope Hot Chips doesn't disappear too!
Intel's position isn't great:

- Declining PC sales
- "Good enough" competition from AMD for the vast majority of home/office users
- Shut out of smartphone/tablet processors
- Abandoned high performance GPU/compute project
- Real threat to their cash cow server products from 16-32 core Zen and ARM
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Intel's position isn't great:

- Declining PC sales
- "Good enough" competition from AMD for the vast majority of home/office users
- Shut out of smartphone/tablet processors
- Abandoned high performance GPU/compute project
- Real threat to their cash cow server products from 16-32 core Zen and ARM
I like how you don't mention the market which is responsible for the vast majority of Intel's sales and most importantly, profit until the end, then your reasoning why is:
1) a competitive part that hasn't launched yet
2) a competitive part the industry isn't interested in and basically doesn't exist (remember K12?)
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Intel mercy kills IDF
Opinion: When you decide not to talk anymore……

http://semiaccurate.com/2017/04/17/i...rcy-kills-idf/
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Old Apr 18, 2017, 01:23 PM   #9
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Sounding like a broken record here...

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Definitely extremely rough times for Intel ahead. Might want to dump that Intel stock!!
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Sounding like a broken record here...
Yep as always.. keep on keeping on SH
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Come on, We already know Intel will be a powerhouse for centuries.. The last mimsie that the little girl cried on and saved the human race had an intel 3d processor...
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Sounds to me like Intel is being realistic.

Preparing for long term, and changes in the "industry" for perhaps when our phones (or similar devices) pack as much power as our gaming desktops do now (or more)?

Its truly only a matter of time.

This hurting Intel short term? Maybe. Long term, Intel has the resources to make big (or small) things happen.

Doom and gloom? No, I don't think so.
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It's possible for there to be a middle ground between doing great, and going out of business. Currently Intel is still making good money and is in a good competitive position. Looking down the road things don't look nearly as good for them. Overall AMD's performance is not what they need to be concerned about. If AMD went under they'd gain another 10% market share, and if AMD does well they might lose some market share. It will have an impact, but not be the major driver of their performance.

I don't agree with the optimistic view of Intel's long term potential. It looks to me like their playbook (tick-tock/process improvements) has stopped working, they're facing erosion in their main industry, their inroads into new markets like smartphones have fizzled, and they really don't know what to do about it. Plenty of large companies in the past have had plenty of resources, and still stumbled due to being bloated and out of touch.

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Didn't Intel some time ago (a year ago or so?) present their plan to shift development on desktops and laptops (x86) pretty substantially over to smaller devices (IoT stuff)? This might not be a surprise, not to me anyway, but perhaps I'm missing something? I mean, come on. 7 year old i7s still work very well, even more so as support for more threads have improved. Windows 10 running on ARM. GPUs are offloading CPUs. Optane looks very good, but you have to wonder if that isn't already axed.

Intel is huge. They do more than CPUs. Could be we're slowly seing their focus shift in action that might have started several years ago. They're big. Reorganizing takes a long time. It would be nice to see them doing well on phones, for competitions sake, wouldn't it?
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The AMD fanboyism in this thread is laughable.

What some of you forget is Intel still is, and will always be, an enterprise powerhouse. Good luck convincing people like me who purchase, manage, and deploy servers to switch to AMD. I'll ride or die with Xeons.
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The AMD fanboyism in this thread is laughable.
Really? Because this just reeks of fanboy.
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Always is a really long time, in 25 years Intel could very well be yesterdays news.
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Didn't Intel some time ago (a year ago or so?) present their plan to shift development on desktops and laptops (x86) pretty substantially over to smaller devices (IoT stuff)? This might not be a surprise, not to me anyway, but perhaps I'm missing something? I mean, come on. 7 year old i7s still work very well, even more so as support for more threads have improved. Windows 10 running on ARM. GPUs are offloading CPUs. Optane looks very good, but you have to wonder if that isn't already axed.

Intel is huge. They do more than CPUs. Could be we're slowly seing their focus shift in action that might have started several years ago. They're big. Reorganizing takes a long time. It would be nice to see them doing well on phones, for competitions sake, wouldn't it?
The problem is the things they're going into will struggle to replace their huge margins in CPUs. Sure, they do more than CPUs, but really they mostly do CPUs. That's their bread and butter and where they had the greatest advantage. As they face erosion there, I don't see their future looking as bright as their past. But that isn't to say they'll go out of business either. IBM is still around today, too.
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Both Intel and AMD should be worried about ARM. AMD more so than Intel.
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The AMD fanboyism in this thread is laughable.

What some of you forget is Intel still is, and will always be, an enterprise powerhouse. Good luck convincing people like me who purchase, manage, and deploy servers to switch to AMD. I'll ride or die with Xeons.
I'll absolutely buy AMD servers if they offer more value than Intel. My 16 core PowerEdge R515 VMware server still runs like a champ.
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Really? Because this just reeks of fanboy.

Always is a really long time, in 25 years Intel could very well be yesterdays news.
One needs look no further than IBM for how tech can change, and quickly.
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