Official VR Headset discussion - Page 59

andino · Mar 3, 2021, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nagorak

I'm not convinced 8K displays are necessary right now. We don't have the GPU horsepower to push that kind of resolution anyway. There is already next to no SDE with 4K displays, and the clarity is pretty damn good, as well.

I have a question. Would there even be a noticeably perceivable difference between a 4k and a 8k display 3 inches from your eye?

Destroy · Mar 4, 2021, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andino

I have a question. Would there even be a noticeably perceivable difference between a 4k and a 8k display 3 inches from your eye?

With owning a Reverb, as nice as it is, yes.

Its the newspaper effect right now, higher res would improve and I would definitely want higher than 4k for a better image.

**SirBaron** · Mar 7, 2021, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andino

I have a question. Would there even be a noticeably perceivable difference between a 4k and a 8k display 3 inches from your eye?

Yes, it would make a large difference.

**Exposed** · Mar 8, 2021, 08:38 AM

Looking into the "distance" in VR would benefit greatly with an 8k display. I'd probably wager even 16k wouldn't be enough to achieve the kind of clarity we'd need for distance fidelity.

Nagorak · Mar 9, 2021, 02:12 PM

Yeah, I fully agree that 8K, or maybe even 16K would provide more clarity. Even at 4K it's definitely not "real life" clarity.

However, it doesn't really matter right now, because even if you had a game that supported SLI, two 3090s in SLI can't push two 8K VR displays. We're a ways off from hitting the hardware requirements, and it's probably going to require eye tracking for dynamic FOVeated rendering. Also they probably can't even make small 8K displays affordably right now, so we're a long way away in terms of all the technology.

From a practical standpoint, 4K displays are pretty damn good for the tech we currently have. If all VR displays were 4K, and we had the graphics horsepower to easily push that res on sub $400 GPUs, then VR would be in a good place.

**SirBaron** · Mar 11, 2021, 02:08 PM

8K is doable with DLSS and Foveated Rendering tricks.

Plus they want to eventually track your eyeballs, so that the screen is only high res directly where you are looking.

Shapeshifter · Mar 19, 2021, 02:35 PM

https://www.roadtovr.com/valve-index...t-head-mounts/

Newly Published Valve Patent Envisions Wireless & Standalone Versions of Index, New Head-mounts

Shapeshifter · Mar 23, 2021, 12:17 PM

Shapeshifter · Mar 31, 2021, 06:11 PM

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/31/micr...r-us-army.html

Microsoft wins U.S. Army contract for augmented reality headsets, worth up to $21.9 billion over 10 years

Microsoft will deliver to the U.S. Army more than 120,000 devices based on its HoloLens augmented reality headset.

The deal, which could be worth as much as $21.88 billion over 10 years, follows a contract Microsoft received to build prototype headsets for the Army.

The contract comes a year and a half after Microsoft won a cloud contract from the Pentagon that could be worth up to $10 billion.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...tundra-tracker

kickstarter for tundra tracker

Cream · Apr 7, 2021, 07:48 PM

Just got myself a Quest 2, loving the quality improvement over my CV1, and no cables whoop whoop. Using virtual desktop to play Project cars 2.

Shapeshifter · May 11, 2021, 11:42 AM

https://www.roadtovr.com/htc-vive-fo...-announcement/
Vive focus 3 specs and pricing

https://www.roadtovr.com/htc-vive-pr...-announcement/
Vive pro 2 specs and pricing

andino · May 11, 2021, 12:29 PM

Just pre-ordered the Vive Pro 2.

Arrowhead · May 11, 2021, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andino

Just pre-ordered the Vive Pro 2.

Yup, instant preorder.

Kinda nervous though that HTC has moved away from OLED screens and are using LCD on the Pro 2. Oh well, better not suck.

Nascar24 · May 11, 2021, 03:48 PM

Looks nice, but to rich for my blood.

**Trunks0** · May 11, 2021, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrowhead

Yup, instant preorder.

Kinda nervous though that HTC has moved away from OLED screens and are using LCD on the Pro 2. Oh well, better not suck.

Probably just a price/supply issue. Oculus faced this same issue back when this all started for VR. Pointing out that the screens chosen had less to do with what is best, than what was easily available. Coming down really to what the cellphone industry is doing.

Doubt it will suck overall

**Exposed** · May 11, 2021, 06:58 PM

I'm not feeling that price though.

andino · May 11, 2021, 07:22 PM

For Pro VR equipment, it's not that bad of a price.

It's $50USD less than I paid for the Vive Pro in 2018.

**Exposed** · May 11, 2021, 07:54 PM

For me coming from a Samsung Odyssey I would need the whole $1400 package. I'm thinking a reverb G2 would be a better upgrade at $599.

It's also possible Samsung might eventually have their own new cheaper VR headset as well with the same lens as the Vive Pro 2, which is what the Odyssey is to Vive Pro. The updated display is what I would really want, not the extra stuff or better room tracking from the Vive.

demo · May 12, 2021, 02:13 AM

What do you guys think are the top three headsets? I have a reverb G1 and was thinking about getting the G2, but would like some options. For 100% seated play.

andino · May 12, 2021, 02:15 AM

$1400 is a chunk of change. You can piece it out for cheaper. Get a few Gen 1 base stations ($135 each) and some gen 1 wands ($129 each). $1280 with the $750 headset total. For $120 extra though you get the Gen 2 stuff which is really nice.

But IMO it's not a bad investment. This will be my third Vive VR headset. Each and every one is still in working order and each and every one was well worth the cost to me and the family. My Vive Pro gets about 20~30 hours of play a week. Sometimes more if the kiddos are our of school. Aside from a few controllers that lost their directional pad clicking to the right (that I looked up the fix on youtube) I haven't had many issues with them. Even with that much play. That to me is worth the extra that I pay.

**Exposed** · May 12, 2021, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andino

$1400 is a chunk of change. You can piece it out for cheaper. Get a few Gen 1 base stations ($135 each) and some gen 1 wands ($129 each). $1280 with the $750 headset total. For $120 extra though you get the Gen 2 stuff which is really nice.

But IMO it's not a bad investment. This will be my third Vive VR headset. Each and every one is still in working order and each and every one was well worth the cost to me and the family. My Vive Pro gets about 20~30 hours of play a week. Sometimes more if the kiddos are our of school. Aside from a few controllers that lost their directional pad clicking to the right (that I looked up the fix on youtube) I haven't had many issues with them. Even with that much play. That to me is worth the extra that I pay.

I only use VR for maybe one or two hours a week, and that is mainly for indie VR horror games. I also prefer sitting down, so the inside out tracking of the Odyssey (and Reverb G2) would benefit me more than the extra cost of base stations since I don't really stand up and walk around (I prefer teleportation movement in VR games).

But, the biggest thing for me is the optics. So I have to see how much better the Vive Pro 2 is compared to the Reverb G2 in terms of clarity. Especially for "in the distance" clarity like looking at the scenery towards the horizon. Up close is fine with the Odssey, but distance scenery tends to get blurred because it's not high resolution enough.

I wouldn't mind buying the Vive Pro 2 if it has much better distance clarity over the Reverb G2. Will wait for a review something like this:

**logical** · May 13, 2021, 01:01 PM

I think the price for these things are outlandish especially when they really have no big games backing them.

**Exposed** · May 13, 2021, 01:26 PM

VR doesn't really need big games. I prefer the smaller indie titles, and there are tons of them with new ones coming out all the time.

**logical** · May 13, 2021, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exposed

VR doesn't really need big games. I prefer the smaller indie titles, and there are tons of them with new ones coming out all the time.

I would definitely disagree. It needs some super exclusive thing that can only be done with a VR unit to draw way more people in to get more poeple into the eco system to drive VR unit costs down.

andino · May 13, 2021, 03:32 PM

IMO, you are both kinda right here.

It needs more HL Alex type games and AAA releases for sure. At this point, I'm comfortable adding MSFS2020 to the list of AAA releases. It's getting better and better with each update for VR.

I think Exposed is also right here. Indy VR games keeps VR afloat between the AAA game releases.

I'd love to see VR be standardized releases. No more Oculus Only games and no more Steam Only games. That's what is killing the growth of VR more than anything else.

Mangler · May 13, 2021, 03:40 PM

The big stuff is probably going to end up being Quest only and psvr2 only in the future.

CyanBlues · May 16, 2021, 05:15 AM

didn't even see this, now I gotta go test it out lol

Quote:

The latest beta update of SteamVR, version 1.17.8, now offers two more.

First is a ‘Field-of-view’ adjustment which works a bit like foveated rendering—you can optionally choose to reduce the size of the application’s field-of-view, thereby concentrating all of the available processing power in a smaller region.

https://www.roadtovr.com/steamvr-fie...cale-override/

CyanBlues · May 16, 2021, 06:50 AM

yeah field of view sucks, it just really shrinks the field of view on the lens, basically feels like putting black bars on the side of the lens

**Exposed** · May 25, 2021, 10:41 AM

I've been reading the new Pimax 8k X (latest revision) offers the best in terms of visuals and fov that even the Vive Pro2 won't touch.

Problem is that $1400 price tag for just the headset alone. Controllers and base stations are extra. That's almost a $2k investment. But damn VR Pr0n, I mean Half Life Alyx, would be damn good to play in VR with

Nascar24 · May 25, 2021, 06:01 PM

Will stick with my console peasant Quest 2 at these prices.

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Mar 8, 2021, 08:38 AM	#1744
Exposed ESB Sports Bookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 7,245	Looking into the "distance" in VR would benefit greatly with an 8k display. I'd probably wager even 16k wouldn't be enough to achieve the kind of clarity we'd need for distance fidelity.

Mar 9, 2021, 02:12 PM	#1745
Nagorak Incarnation of the Nether Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Amanackia Posts: 12,164	Yeah, I fully agree that 8K, or maybe even 16K would provide more clarity. Even at 4K it's definitely not "real life" clarity. However, it doesn't really matter right now, because even if you had a game that supported SLI, two 3090s in SLI can't push two 8K VR displays. We're a ways off from hitting the hardware requirements, and it's probably going to require eye tracking for dynamic FOVeated rendering. Also they probably can't even make small 8K displays affordably right now, so we're a long way away in terms of all the technology. From a practical standpoint, 4K displays are pretty damn good for the tech we currently have. If all VR displays were 4K, and we had the graphics horsepower to easily push that res on sub $400 GPUs, then VR would be in a good place.

Mar 11, 2021, 02:08 PM	#1746
SirBaron Hallowed are the Clownies Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Niedersachsen Posts: 25,865	8K is doable with DLSS and Foveated Rendering tricks. Plus they want to eventually track your eyeballs, so that the screen is only high res directly where you are looking. __________________ Fantards the scourge of the universe:

Mar 19, 2021, 02:35 PM	#1747
Shapeshifter Radeon Arctic Islands Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under my desk. Posts: 11,762	https://www.roadtovr.com/valve-index...t-head-mounts/ Newly Published Valve Patent Envisions Wireless & Standalone Versions of Index, New Head-mounts __________________ Quotes: Rage3d is the BEST forum!! There are alot of smart people on here!! -phexus

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Mar 23, 2021, 12:17 PM	#1748
Shapeshifter Radeon Arctic Islands Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under my desk. Posts: 11,762	__________________ Quotes: Rage3d is the BEST forum!! There are alot of smart people on here!! -phexus

Mar 31, 2021, 06:11 PM	#1749
Shapeshifter Radeon Arctic Islands Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under my desk. Posts: 11,762	https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/31/micr...r-us-army.html Microsoft wins U.S. Army contract for augmented reality headsets, worth up to $21.9 billion over 10 years Microsoft will deliver to the U.S. Army more than 120,000 devices based on its HoloLens augmented reality headset. The deal, which could be worth as much as $21.88 billion over 10 years, follows a contract Microsoft received to build prototype headsets for the Army. The contract comes a year and a half after Microsoft won a cloud contract from the Pentagon that could be worth up to $10 billion. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...tundra-tracker kickstarter for tundra tracker __________________ Quotes: Rage3d is the BEST forum!! There are alot of smart people on here!! -phexus

Apr 7, 2021, 07:48 PM	#1750
Cream Radeon R700 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Sunny Southport Posts: 731	Just got myself a Quest 2, loving the quality improvement over my CV1, and no cables whoop whoop. Using virtual desktop to play Project cars 2. __________________ Modded Coolermaster RC-1000 Cosmos/1000W Corsair HX Series ASUS Z590-plus , I5 11600K O/C 4.9ghz Corsair H115i ELITE RTX 3090 FE, Acer Predator 27" XB1 165Hz 16GB Corsair DDR4

May 11, 2021, 11:42 AM	#1751
Shapeshifter Radeon Arctic Islands Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under my desk. Posts: 11,762	https://www.roadtovr.com/htc-vive-fo...-announcement/ Vive focus 3 specs and pricing https://www.roadtovr.com/htc-vive-pr...-announcement/ Vive pro 2 specs and pricing __________________ Quotes: Rage3d is the BEST forum!! There are alot of smart people on here!! -phexus

May 11, 2021, 12:29 PM	#1752
andino Radeon Arctic Islands Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 8,826	Just pre-ordered the Vive Pro 2.

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May 11, 2021, 03:48 PM	#1754
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May 11, 2021, 06:58 PM	#1756
Exposed ESB Sports Bookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 7,245	I'm not feeling that price though.

May 11, 2021, 07:22 PM	#1757
andino Radeon Arctic Islands Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 8,826	For Pro VR equipment, it's not that bad of a price. It's $50USD less than I paid for the Vive Pro in 2018.

May 11, 2021, 07:54 PM	#1758
Exposed ESB Sports Bookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 7,245	For me coming from a Samsung Odyssey I would need the whole $1400 package. I'm thinking a reverb G2 would be a better upgrade at $599. It's also possible Samsung might eventually have their own new cheaper VR headset as well with the same lens as the Vive Pro 2, which is what the Odyssey is to Vive Pro. The updated display is what I would really want, not the extra stuff or better room tracking from the Vive.

May 12, 2021, 02:13 AM	#1759
demo space cadet Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 28,111	What do you guys think are the top three headsets? I have a reverb G1 and was thinking about getting the G2, but would like some options. For 100% seated play. __________________ ____________________

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May 12, 2021, 02:15 AM	#1760
andino Radeon Arctic Islands Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 8,826	$1400 is a chunk of change. You can piece it out for cheaper. Get a few Gen 1 base stations ($135 each) and some gen 1 wands ($129 each). $1280 with the $750 headset total. For $120 extra though you get the Gen 2 stuff which is really nice. But IMO it's not a bad investment. This will be my third Vive VR headset. Each and every one is still in working order and each and every one was well worth the cost to me and the family. My Vive Pro gets about 20~30 hours of play a week. Sometimes more if the kiddos are our of school. Aside from a few controllers that lost their directional pad clicking to the right (that I looked up the fix on youtube) I haven't had many issues with them. Even with that much play. That to me is worth the extra that I pay.

May 13, 2021, 01:01 PM	#1762
logical What is my purpose? Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: * Posts: 22,637	I think the price for these things are outlandish especially when they really have no big games backing them. __________________

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May 13, 2021, 01:26 PM	#1763
Exposed ESB Sports Bookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 7,245	VR doesn't really need big games. I prefer the smaller indie titles, and there are tons of them with new ones coming out all the time.

May 13, 2021, 03:32 PM	#1765
andino Radeon Arctic Islands Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 8,826	IMO, you are both kinda right here. It needs more HL Alex type games and AAA releases for sure. At this point, I'm comfortable adding MSFS2020 to the list of AAA releases. It's getting better and better with each update for VR. I think Exposed is also right here. Indy VR games keeps VR afloat between the AAA game releases. I'd love to see VR be standardized releases. No more Oculus Only games and no more Steam Only games. That's what is killing the growth of VR more than anything else. Last edited by andino : May 13, 2021 at 03:48 PM.

May 13, 2021, 03:40 PM	#1766
Mangler PC Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 21,483	The big stuff is probably going to end up being Quest only and psvr2 only in the future.

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May 16, 2021, 06:50 AM	#1768
CyanBlues Radeon Southern Islands Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Me Chicken Posts: 2,768	yeah field of view sucks, it just really shrinks the field of view on the lens, basically feels like putting black bars on the side of the lens __________________ "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

May 25, 2021, 10:41 AM	#1769
Exposed ESB Sports Bookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 7,245	I've been reading the new Pimax 8k X (latest revision) offers the best in terms of visuals and fov that even the Vive Pro2 won't touch. Problem is that $1400 price tag for just the headset alone. Controllers and base stations are extra. That's almost a $2k investment. But damn VR Pr0n, I mean Half Life Alyx, would be damn good to play in VR with Last edited by Exposed : May 26, 2021 at 09:36 AM.

May 25, 2021, 06:01 PM	#1770
Nascar24 EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: BOINGGGGGGGG! Posts: 14,316	Will stick with my console peasant Quest 2 at these prices.