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Old Dec 19, 2021, 06:39 PM   #8011
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The Delta variant began driving a surge here in MA after Thanksgiving that’s causing massive issues right now. Short on ICU beds and staffing, non essential procedures down to 50% per emergency order, and my family and I have spent the past 4 days fighting to get a cancer patient treatment.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local...-know/2588011/

I was told by staff that the vast majority of cases are not vaccinated, and the scene in ER was just something you would hope you wouldn’t see. Crazy and exhausting for staff and families.

Not enough beds, not enough doctors, not enough nurses….
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Old Dec 19, 2021, 06:59 PM   #8012
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CDC is predicting over a million cases by xmas. There wont be enough health care for anyone at that rate. You have a month maybe 2 to get a mandate going and get everyone at least one damn shot.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sts-cases.html

Story of 2 jurisdictions:

Maine 1.37m pop 1000-2000 cases a day last few days. Right next door in NB 780k pop 100-170 cases a day. Not that big a diff in pop for such a big diff in cases.
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Old Dec 19, 2021, 09:38 PM   #8013
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I'm boosted, but will probably get Omicron anyway since the kids can't get boosters. Hopefully we all just get mild cases that feel like a cold. For those that aren't vaccinated. Best of luck to you.
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CDC is predicting over a million cases by xmas. There wont be enough health care for anyone at that rate. You have a month maybe 2 to get a mandate going and get everyone at least one damn shot.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sts-cases.html

Story of 2 jurisdictions:

Maine 1.37m pop 1000-2000 cases a day last few days. Right next door in NB 780k pop 100-170 cases a day. Not that big a diff in pop for such a big diff in cases.
We're getting ~3500 cases every day for the past few days My father is not at ease to celebrate Christmas with the kids, we'll just swap gifts in their parking lot.

Not sure about my step-parents, maybe just dinner. Everyone is double-vaxxed, my gf and parents are getting their booster shots very soon.

I'm kinda scared, I work in elementary schools all day long
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Old Dec 19, 2021, 11:14 PM   #8015
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We're getting ~3500 cases every day for the past few days My father is not at ease to celebrate Christmas with the kids, we'll just swap gifts in their parking lot.

Not sure about my step-parents, maybe just dinner. Everyone is double-vaxxed, my gf and parents are getting their booster shots very soon.

I'm kinda scared, I work in elementary schools all day long
Yea were zooming another xmas here as well with some of the family. I swear if this thing is still up in the air again this time next year because of vaccine hesitancy Ill be throwing a conniption at the local M of P.

Being vaxxed I wouldnt worry too much about omicron, its a bit more about the kids and unvaxxed:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...d-19-1.6290816

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They didnt say it was omicron and its a rare occurrence for infants to die of it but its been said omicron targets the younger a bit more.
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Old Dec 20, 2021, 02:20 AM   #8016
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Whatever happened to the notion that mRNA vaccines can easily be adjusted to deal with variants? I haven't heard news about vaccine version 2 at all?
It's just not really necessary.

The vaccine will give you initial antibodies. This will help prevent infection. The antibodies are what you will hear often when people talk about the vaccines 'waning'.

But the vaccines also develop long-term immunity. The long-term immunity will not prevent all infection, but it will prevent severe illness and death. Even after the antibodies wane (or contract), the long-term immunity remains. This takes a few days to respond, which is why people get infected and have mild symptoms.

From what I understand, antibodies are specific. But long-term immunity develops a broad, robust response.

So that is why you're seeing a lot of breakthrough cases. Omicron might evade the antibodies. But it is also likely why we're seeing a lot of mild cases. The broad long-term response of the vaccines prevent severe disease.

So, modifying the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines for Omicron or Delta wouldn't do a whole lot. You'd likely just have better protection against all infection for about 6 months from your shot. But you'd have to keep doing it over and over.

Since the original vaccines already protect against severe disease, changing it for Omicron wouldn't really change much in terms of long-term immunity.

The theory behind the booster at approximately six months is that it helps build a more robust, broader long-term immunity against more variants.
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Not enough beds, not enough doctors, not enough nurses….
Not enough vaccinated people to prevent this.

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Weak, but we dragged her out of that Petri dish yesterday. She’s in good spirits though and much improved from last week. Thanks for asking my friend.
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Weak, but we dragged her out of that Petri dish yesterday. She’s in good spirits though and much improved from last week. Thanks for asking my friend.
Awesome news, thanks.
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Why? The hospital and staff are completely over run with Covid patients, most are severe. The nurse hinted and then apologized for hinting, that she believed most were not vaccinated. The ER there is massive, and it was packed with people….

Believing is not knowing. Does she have real statistics for that ward?
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From the nurses I talk to, the ones presenting to hospital in serious condition with Covid (often first time they are tested and some have to be convinced to allow the test), they are unvaccinated. In Manitoba, that data is all published anyway. We occasionally have a couple of vaccinated in the ICUs. They are typically very ill in other aspects of their life. The unvaccinated, no so much.
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Believing is not knowing. Does she have real statistics for that ward?
Here is data from CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7037a7_w

Although, Omicron is going to wreck all this research ...
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She works the ER there. I’m pretty sure she has a fairly good handle on what their issues are and the numbers.
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Here we go with ****ing mask mandates again.. so god damn stupid
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There's plenty out there if you care to look.
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Here we go with ****ing mask mandates again.. so god damn stupid
They need to do a vaccine mandate like Boston but preferably a workplace vaccine mandate like we did here.


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So I got a routine blood test a week ago and my Dr. informed me he was going to run an antibody test as part of it since I had covid and the vaccines prior. He told me if I have a level lower than 40 that he would recommend a booster shot.

Well I got my results back today and they told me that my antibody level is rated at 120, so my body is fully primed to defend against covid.
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Several news outlets are now reporting that 73% of US cases are Omicron. I'm not sure how they would know, but statistical extrapolation may not be that hard with some fairly high degree of confidence.
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Sister tested positive yesterday. Unvaccinated, never wears a mask, goes out to bars/etc all the time.

She was “feeling sick” but still went around my family (uncle, aunts, etc.), all of whom are also unvaccinated. So family Christmas is officially canceled as they all now have to quarantine and isolate.

People are so effing stupid. I’m embarrassed to share DNA with some of these people.
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Old Dec 21, 2021, 09:11 PM   #8032
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Sister tested positive yesterday. Unvaccinated, never wears a mask, goes out to bars/etc all the time.

She was “feeling sick” but still went around my family (uncle, aunts, etc.), all of whom are also unvaccinated. So family Christmas is officially canceled as they all now have to quarantine and isolate.

People are so effing stupid. I’m embarrassed to share DNA with some of these people.
Now that's wild
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So I got a routine blood test a week ago and my Dr. informed me he was going to run an antibody test as part of it since I had covid and the vaccines prior. He told me if I have a level lower than 40 that he would recommend a booster shot.

Well I got my results back today and they told me that my antibody level is rated at 120, so my body is fully primed to defend against covid.
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Now that's wild
Not really wild, it seems to be the case for a lot of people lately.

Have had 5 of my employees go out with it, either their own illness to start, or from a roommate/family member in the last 2 days. Most are seemingly mild (thankfully) but we had 3 of them come to work to inform us of their exposure, and weren't too pleased when I asked if this couldn't have been an email or phone call so as to not ruin the rest of our holidays by their own reluctance to follow basic quarantines... I mean, one of them literally came from a test, with a positive result, and wanted to show us... in person!

Like, come on, we're 19 months into this and we still have to tell you to not put others at risk of exposure when you've got positive test results?
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Hello I have COVID and I'd like you to have it too!
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Was stunned to find out yesterday that an ex of mine isn't vaccinated. She's worked as an EMT and taught first aid, so I just assumed she'd be vaccinated. She said she wants to see more "for and against" studies before getting it, so I sent her a couple of vaccine efficacy studies. On the bright side, she's keeping well away from others and has excellent masks....

Another ex of mine has her first Moderna shot, but hasn't bothered to get the second for unknown reasons. I made a point of getting her and her daughter vaccinated when I was in town during the summer (I moved from the prairies to the coast).

My remaining family is mostly triple-vaccinated. Meanwhile, I'm a bit concerned that I won't be able to get a booster until mid-January at the earliest....
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Our neighbor from across the street passed from COVID-19 a few weeks ago. One of his adult kids is currently intubated and not expected to make it.
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Sister tested positive yesterday. Unvaccinated, never wears a mask, goes out to bars/etc all the time.

She was “feeling sick” but still went around my family (uncle, aunts, etc.), all of whom are also unvaccinated. So family Christmas is officially canceled as they all now have to quarantine and isolate.

People are so effing stupid. I’m embarrassed to share DNA with some of these people.
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