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Old Jul 15, 2010, 06:59 PM   #1
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ATI Technologies Radeon HD 6870 in Q4 2010!

Here's a link to the new Southern Islands GPU aka HD 6000 which is due by the end of the year. We probably won't see the HD 6870 until Q1 2011, but it isn't that far off. Also, the HD 6000 series seems to be more of a performance tweak to the Evergreen HD 5000 series than a completely new architecture. Still, we should see a nice performance increase, and ATI will retake the single GPU performance title from Nvidia.


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I should have put this thread in the Rumor Discussion.
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Still, we should see a nice performance increase, and ATI will retake the single GPU performance title from Nvidia.
If southern islands is nothing more than a refresh of the 5000 series I wouldnt be to confident on them taking the single GPU performance title from Nvidia when Nvidia will likely also do a refresh. Thats just to far ahead to really tell who will be in the lead at that time.
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i thought the 6xxx series were supposed to be a brand new architecture?
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i thought the 6xxx series were supposed to be a brand new architecture?
there was never any official announcement, and speculation that the next release of cards would be incremental has been going on a while.
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I think it was supposed to be, but TSMC decided to pull the plug on 32nm. Not sure if that's correct though...
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i thought the 6xxx series were supposed to be a brand new architecture?
The 6xxx series is Southern Islander and its just more tweak on architecture from NI's parts and with Evergreen Shader, also its still using 40nm process. The 7xxx series is Northern Islander and its a complete new architecture with 28nm process.
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I think it was supposed to be, but TSMC decided to pull the plug on 32nm. Not sure if that's correct though...
I believe it is. And by believe I mean that's my educated guess. Speculating further, I'd say SI will hit Feb-2011 in volume. NI, honestly don't know what the status is at this point. If NI was supposed to succeed Evergreen, that would seem to leave Evergreen as being on the market for a very long time. So unless Evergreen was supposed to have a midlife refresh, and that was scrapped because of SI...

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Best guess is NI scrapped, SI rehashed to be 40nm, hecatonchires (new architecture now 22nm at GloFlo?) pushed back...
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That sounds like a bad, bad, and bad scenario to me.
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Yup. Very Bad.

So on light of this, sounds like it's a good idea to get another 5870 and run Crossfire, since it seems the 6870 is going to be a small increase.
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Excuse my Ignorance, but if I may ask what is the point in these brand new architectures when all we have is dx9 console ports to play with?
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I am hoping ATI does more than just some tweaking, nVidia might have been late to the party but they did do Tessellation right and stole ATIs DX11 thunder.
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The DX9 console ports get upgraded to use DX11 features.
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The DX9 console ports get upgraded to use DX11 features.
ha ... don't make us to begin again how useless the DX11 are in console port games (look at latest avp title).. One thing remains valid..Until console ports will be "ported" totally to DX11 in my next adult life the point of DX11 is limited.
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Excuse my Ignorance, but if I may ask what is the point in these brand new architectures when all we have is dx9 console ports to play with?
I don't wish to derail the thread, but I totally agree.

I don't see anything on the horizon worth bothering with for PC gamers, certainly nothing which is going to tax new GFX hardware.

It would be good if nVidia and ATi could support PC gaming a bit more, though they have vested interests elsewhere too (consoles), so its a double edged sword.
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ha ... don't make us to begin again how useless the DX11 are in console port games (look at latest avp title).. One thing remains valid..Until console ports will be "ported" totally to DX11 in my next adult life the point of DX11 is limited.
It's limited for you, but I see a use for DX11 beyond pure console ports. Word has it, there are some game engines designed for PC, and some applications can use DX11 features without even being games! Crazy, I know.
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It's limited for you, but I see a use for DX11 beyond pure console ports. Word has it, there are some game engines designed for PC, and some applications can use DX11 features without even being games! Crazy, I know.
People here complain more about games not having DX11 than other software.If Photoshop will use DX11 for something worth it will be awesome for most graphician, photgraphers or other things but the question is for example Mr. Exotic that show off with his rig is intersted in those things? I am not sure so he will come and complain..I work a little in Photoshop because one of my hobbies is photography but nowhere near to begin to complain about DX11 lack or something like this..
The only thing that have connection with DX11 on my side are video games that just don't deliver..For me and many others here DX11 functionality is limited to useless..
Why i jumped to 5850 from 4850? Because Stalker with Dynamic Lighting that IS gorgeous and worth much much more than any DX11 implementation by now but have a very bad performance on 4850..I just couldn't resist and upgraded to 5850.The graphics in this game maybe is not so detailed like in Crysis or so colorfull but it just deliver what it needs to be a perfect/match atmosphere for that game..Crysis on the other hand is just graphics and that's it and no feeling.I feel like there is no connection between the graphics and the gameplay.
I want to see a game implementating the snow like in 3dmark 06 (no need for DX11 in this)..That's the best winter feeling i ever saw in a video game.
Silent Hill games i consider the most detailed video game i ever saw from graphics point of view.Someone worked very hard to put little details in every corner and not making the game dull and repetitive.
I gave you some examples that not the lack of DX11 is the problem but the devs ..... You can still do gorgeous graphics that can imerse ya without implenting 2 effects on a ported game..
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DX9 is going to be here for awhile. Unfortunatly and whats even worse is some of the ported games run piss poor on far far superior systems. SC:Conviction for starters.

Anyone that wants to upgrade to a fermi or a 5xxx series go for it, Theres just not alot out there that will need more than that. Unoptimized ports withstanding.
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when things start using dx 10.1 maybe i'll consider upgrading

when's dx 12 out anyways?
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No timeline for DX12, next on the list is DX11.1
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What will DX 11.1 bring? GPU physics for everyone? . What would be the benefits?
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it'll bring out some new refresh hardware that isn't compatable with 11, and there will be one game that uses it and will only work dx 7 unless you have a dx 11.1 card

I'm still bitter about not being able to use tessellation on dirt 2
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Glad to hear AMD is still commited to refreshing Evergreen this year. Doesn't seem right to have to wait more than a year for a refresh, and that goes for both companies.
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someone has to support the build up to the next gen consoles. when the dx12 ports come about in 2013, u'll have a high end dx11 card, ok?
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someone has to support the build up to the next gen consoles. when the dx12 ports come about in 2013, u'll have a high end dx11 card, ok?
Will it play Crysis, lol.
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The pc users are beta testers for next gen console..haha.
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That would be a huge benefit to me.
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I am hoping ATI does more than just some tweaking, nVidia might have been late to the party but they did do Tessellation right and stole ATIs DX11 thunder.
Don't worry, nV has only been working on DX11 stuff for about a week or 2, give them as much time as ATI has had, and they will make a pinto look like a Porsche.....

So far DX11 has proven to be underwhelming, and the usage is buggy from everything I read......
Sure glad Win7 is there to save the day and give us the option to upgrade to DX11 games.....wooooo I was worried I was gonna miss out....ahhhhh scratch that, I'm missing out on......well.....bugs.

Lotsa Great Hype, little real performance.
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