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Old May 22, 2022, 09:24 PM   #31
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Some people can afford to pay for the fuel, don't put a lot of miles on cars, or have a second car for daily driver duty.

Not sure why I need my 'head checked' because I might fall into one or more of the above categories.
It helps them feel good about their electric
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Some people can afford to pay for the fuel, don't put a lot of miles on cars, or have a second car for daily driver duty.

Not sure why I need my 'head checked' because I might fall into one or more of the above categories.
Then you're not complaining about the fuel issue and it wouldn't apply.

Obviously.

Right?
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It helps them feel good about their electric
Obviously.

BUT, don't restrict it...I FEEL GREAT ABOUT MY ELECTRIC.

I'm not on here crying about the price of petrol.

AND saving money.

What's NOT to feel great about?

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Old May 22, 2022, 10:28 PM   #34
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Obviously.

BUT, don't restrict it...I FEEL GREAT ABOUT MY ELECTRIC.

I'm not on here crying about the price of petrol.

AND saving money.

What's NOT to feel great about?

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Obviously.

BUT, don't restrict it...I FEEL GREAT ABOUT MY ELECTRIC.

I'm not on here crying about the price of petrol.

AND saving money.

What's NOT to feel great about?



wait till cost of electricity per kwh doubles or more and it will when the brown outs start all over
more electric cars charging on the grid the more brown outs the higher cost of electricity will go

or wait till those power outages and brown outs start killing people on medical device or from high or low temps
how will that feel

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-costs-surging

and why i'm getting full solar system to charge the truck
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so add 2500 to 6000 for a new service and breaker box and running a wire to the garage or carport
WTF are you talking about? My house had existing 200 amp service. All I needed to do was have a 60 amp breaker installed with wiring to my garage for my Tesla Wall Connector. I paid $1100 for the electrical and $500 for the Wall Connector

It would have been $500+ less had I gone with a 50 amp breaker, had a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed, and used the mobile connector that came with the car.

The reason I didn't is that the mobile connector on a 50 amp circuit will only charge about 30 miles per hour. The Wall Connector can do 44 miles per hour on the 60 amp circuit.

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wait till cost of electricity per kwh doubles or more and it will when the brown outs start all over
more electric cars charging on the grid the more brown outs the higher cost of electricity will go

or wait till those power outages and brown outs start killing people on medical device or from high or low temps
how will that feel
It's much easier to take conversations like this seriously without Chicken Little posts like this trying to convince people the sky is falling.

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wait till cost of electricity per kwh doubles or more and it will when the brown outs start all over
more electric cars charging on the grid the more brown outs the higher cost of electricity will go

or wait till those power outages and brown outs start killing people on medical device or from high or low temps
how will that feel

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-costs-surging

and why i'm getting full solar system to charge the truck
I drive hybrid cars except the van and it only has the capacity to go 32 miles on EV. I don't rely heavily on electric.

If you really want to protect the grid from overuse you need to advocate for people to STOP ****ING HAVING KIDS.

Nothing weighs heavier on the grid that more people.

I completely understand your concern for the people on medical devices and will miss you when you shut down your PC to help them out during the extreme heat this summer.
You're a good man Bill.
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the problem here is, that instead of providing the needed infrastructure for that many EVs in a first step, the politicians promote to buy EVs and THEN _start_ to think about the infrastructure they need for them. Which is sadly the way it goes almost every time.......which alread led to charging problems all over the place. People start to get frustrated with their pricey gimmicks. Mind you only ~45% here own a house, so even charging at HOME is an issue for many people.
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I know its getting bad when it costs more to fill my tank than a full price AAA video game.
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I know its getting bad when it costs more to fill my tank than a full price AAA video game.
lately i have to pay around 120€ to fill up the car, awesome, isn't it?
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the problem here is, that instead of providing the needed infrastructure for that many EVs in a first step, the politicians promote to buy EVs and THEN _start_ to think about the infrastructure they need for them. Which is sadly the way it goes almost every time.......which alread led to charging problems all over the place. People start to get frustrated with their pricey gimmicks. Mind you only ~45% here own a house, so even charging at HOME is an issue for many people.
If that's how it works in Germany then we're doomed.
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lately i have to pay around 120€ to fill up the car, awesome, isn't it?
Dang, that's a ton. I filled up yesterday (2015 Impala), from almost empty it was $65 here. I think it was $4.75/gallon.

The one silver lining to all this that I'm extremely grateful for is I now work remote full time, so I no longer have a long commute. I don't drive much at all anymore, and pretty much only need to get gas about once a month. Really feel bad for folks that do still have a long commute.
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The one silver lining to all this that I'm extremely grateful for is I now work remote full time, so I no longer have a long commute. I don't drive much at all anymore, and pretty much only need to get gas about once a month. Really feel bad for folks that do still have a long commute.
the only good thing is that we also can work from home, although not 100%, just 50% but still. Can't imagine if we had to work 100% away from home, would be a nightmare fuel-wise.
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The get your head checked blanket statement made me laugh.

You can tell when someone doesn't really know much about cars when they say stuff like that.
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WTF are you talking about? My house had existing 200 amp service. All I needed to do was have a 60 amp breaker installed with wiring to my garage for my Tesla Wall Connector. I paid $1100 for the electrical and $500 for the Wall Connector

It would have been $500+ less had I gone with a 50 amp breaker, had a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed, and used the mobile connector that came with the car.

The reason I didn't is that the mobile connector on a 50 amp circuit will only charge about 30 miles per hour. The Wall Connector can do 44 miles per hour on the 60 amp circuit.



It's much easier to take conversations like this seriously without Chicken Little posts like this trying to convince people the sky is falling.
when?
how old of horse ?

and that's good for you but as a air conditioning contractor i am in peoples breaker boxes all the time changing bad breakers or killing power to change disconnects on a/c's

and 125 or 150 amp service is about 80% of houses till they go over 2000 Sq feet or newer than 10 years here in Phoenix
and just about every house i work on that is 20 years or older is all ready overloaded on breakers added into the box
hell i still see boxes with round screw in fuses a lot

and there is a breaker shortage now prices have gone nuts of breakers and boxes, wire
i have a 150 amp service now and need a 100 amp line for the Ford Lighting
it only needs 80 amps but they want a 100 amp wire and breaker

120 amp wire 1/0 THHN/THWN-2 Building Wire is only about $3.51 a foot and i only need 150 feet or so

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The get your head checked blanket statement made me laugh.

You can tell when someone doesn't really know much about cars when they say stuff like that.
If some had it their way we'd all drive eco-boxes. These are the people that are pushing the BS EPA laws trying to take away our ability to modify our vehicles too, and kill home-grown racing.

I'm with you Bill about power. Most houses are still running 100A systems in Jersey, lots of old houses built in the 60s. When I bought my house, it only had a 100A system; had it upgraded to a 200A before we moved in. When I went to put some 20A breakers in (for the PC and home stereo circuits), I got hit hard for the breakers. Shits expensive!
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If some had it their way we'd all drive eco-boxes. These are the people that are pushing the BS EPA laws trying to take away our ability to modify our vehicles too, and kill home-grown racing.

I'm with you Bill about power. Most houses are still running 100A systems in Jersey, lots of old houses built in the 60s. When I bought my house, it only had a 100A system; had it upgraded to a 200A before we moved in.
Yeah, my bro was bitching about that all the way home on our recent road trip from CA to IA. He lived there for the past 4 years before he retired from the Air Force and moved back here 3 weeks ago. CA is a ridiculous state.

That aside though, just saying V8's are the problem is absurd. My 750hp supercharged V8 gets better gas mileage than a lot of my friends 4cyl cars (OEM stock cars too). Facts are facts. I understand the point he's attempting to make, but V8's themselves aren't the problem.
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If some had it their way we'd all drive eco-boxes. These are the people that are pushing the BS EPA laws trying to take away our ability to modify our vehicles too, and kill home-grown racing.

I'm with you Bill about power. Most houses are still running 100A systems in Jersey, lots of old houses built in the 60s. When I bought my house, it only had a 100A system; had it upgraded to a 200A before we moved in. When I went to put some 20A breakers in (for the PC and home stereo circuits), I got hit hard for the breakers. Shits expensive!
Tesla solar is biding changing my box with the solar they need a solar ready box anyway and only new houses have them and only sometimes

and with a 40 amp to one shed and a 60 amp to the workshop with a milling machine and metal lathe and 80 gal air compressor and 3 welders i am already just a little overloaded

i''m going to need a 250 to 300 amp box

i would DIY the solar and box but the power co. here are dicks about doing it yourself
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same Fry's gas station i got gas Saturday for 4.999 is 5.199 today

looks like 10¢ a day

wonder how long this will last
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The get your head checked blanket statement made me laugh.

You can tell when someone doesn't really know much about cars when they say stuff like that.
I drive for a living.

I know enough about cars.

Why....

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I see now. Hit a little too close to home. Got it.

If you're happy with your car and it's worth the extra fuel that's cool. You got nothing to bitch about. Life is good.

On the other hand...if you're complaining about fuel prices while driving around a 750hp supercharged V8 and are doing nothing about it....yeah...I think you need to evaluate the choices you have made.

Seems pretty straight forward to me. It's not like this day was a surprise.

Prices will go up even more, even if they fall a little here in the winter.

By the way...what kind of car is that V8?
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same Fry's gas station i got gas Saturday for 4.999 is 5.199 today

looks like 10¢ a day

wonder how long this will last
Still 4.19 over here in refinery town. It'll keep going up until no one can afford it. Been seeing more motorcycles scooting about lately. I know when I was up in Dallas last time gas prices was high, also saw more of those three wheeled things as well. Hope WFH comes back now that we surely know it can be done for a lot of white collar jobs and today e-bikes are also a consideration that weren't around the last time. I think Kev Central mentioned Walmart was selling a Schwinn mountain e-bike around $799
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No Renocide, you missed the point. I'm not hurt and you didn't hit close to home. My cars are paid off and sit in the garage since I work at home. They cost me almost nothing in gas (since they rarely get driven), so I have nothing to justify. I was just saying that V8's aren't the only problem. For your statement to work, you probably should just say "all sports cars". I was trying to say that there are 4cyl sports cars that get worse gas mileage than V8's. I laughed at the blanket statement, not "cars that get terrible gas mileage"...because that statement includes a WIDE variety of cars and engine sizes.

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2001 ZO6 Corvette with built motor, cam, supercharger, full exhaust, etc.
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No Renocide, you missed the point. I'm not hurt and you didn't hit close to home. My cars are paid off and sit in the garage since I work at home. They cost me almost nothing in gas (since they rarely get driven), so I have nothing to justify. I was just saying that V8's aren't the only problem. For your statement to work, you probably should just say "all sports cars". I was trying to say that there are 4cyl sports cars that get worse gas mileage than V8's. I laughed at the blanket statement, not "cars that get terrible gas mileage"...because that statement includes a WIDE variety of cars and engine sizes.


2001 ZO6 Corvette with built motor, cam, supercharger, full exhaust, etc.
Right.

This thread is about GAS prices.


My argument was never really against V8s. It was with people that purchased one being bitchy about the rise in GAS prices.

It's like moving to Arizona and bitching about the heat(kinda).

Thats why I said "Hit a little too close to home..". I wasn't shitting on your car.

You don't care about GAS prices but you saw the V8 and felt offended. And then decided to post in a thread you don't really care about. I get it. It's personal.

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It was specifically in relation to the topic of the thread.

This thread ISN'T about V8s.

This thread is about GAS prices.

That being said...

Cubic inches is cubic inches. Sure you can really modify a 4cyl to get shitty gas milage but in general the larger the cyl the more fuel you're going to burn.

Stock 2001 Z06 gets 19/28. I imagine you are get a bit worse than that unless your limiting it in some way(but then whats the point right?).

Out of curiosity...which stock 4cyl are you thinking of when you say that you are getting better than they are?
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He said 4 banger sports cars. You know the ones with turbos from the factory. Yes anything with a turbo gets great MPG if you're not in boost. I swear the EPA tests them with a tail wind and Mrs. Daisy in the back seat.

My 5.7 V8 gets better MPG than my wife's explorer sport with the 3.5 ecoboost. Truck is heavier and has more HP.
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my 2004 cadillac escalade 6.0 vortec still gets about 14 in town and 18 on the freeway

now my 2016 Nissan Frontier with a 152-horsepower 2.5-liter inline 4-cylinder engine get 18 to 21 MPG everywhere depending on my foot


****ing glad i still don't have the old 71 Ford F250 straight 6 engine that got 6 MPG everywhere or a dollar a mile soon


i would be interested in a escalade electric if they can get the range to 650+

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I guess it’s safe to say that everyone with an ICE would benefit from lower prices at the pumps.

Everyone except for major oil company shareholders anyway. They’re doing just fine with the higher costs.

https://www.businessinsider.com/gas-...-charts-2022-5
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Sold my shares in XOM a few years back when it was in the toilet.

Woops my bad lol

The profits are much ado about nothing. Try taking their XOM's net quarterly profit and dividing that by the number of drivers on the road in this country. It's a total pittance. They could literally make ZERO over a quarter and you would end up with an extra $25 in your pocket. lol whoopty doo

$35 billion in total net profits over a quarter / 228 million licensed drivers
153$ per quarter if they basically gave you free gasoline.

Obviously these companies need to be punished severely. :/
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Right.

This thread is about GAS prices.


My argument was never really against V8s. It was with people that purchased one being bitchy about the rise in GAS prices.

It's like moving to Arizona and bitching about the heat(kinda).

Thats why I said "Hit a little too close to home..". I wasn't shitting on your car.

You don't care about GAS prices but you saw the V8 and felt offended. And then decided to post in a thread you don't really care about. I get it. It's personal.

When I said


It was specifically in relation to the topic of the thread.

This thread ISN'T about V8s.

This thread is about GAS prices.

That being said...

Cubic inches is cubic inches. Sure you can really modify a 4cyl to get shitty gas milage but in general the larger the cyl the more fuel you're going to burn.

Stock 2001 Z06 gets 19/28. I imagine you are get a bit worse than that unless your limiting it in some way(but then what's the point right?).

Out of curiosity...which stock 4cyl are you thinking of when you say that you are getting better than they are?

I was just laughing at "anyone with a V8 should get their head checked comment". It was funny... Don't care what others think of my car or V8's, honestly.

Cars like the Ford Focus RS and Subaru STi typically get worse gas mileage. Tons of V6's that get worse. On average V8's ARE worse, that's why a lot of them are going away. Sports cars are the problem though, not just V8's. Good luck making sports cars disappear.

Yeah, the modifications affected it slightly. It's more because of the cam than anything. It now gets 18/26 mpg.
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Both my cars need 93. I don't look at the price anymore.
Same (well one needs 91, the other needs 89).

I didnt buy my cars with gas mileage in mind...i was ready to pay the prices for these because

1.) BMW X1: You get into the luxury makes, now you gotta pay to play since everything upkeep-wise is more expensive than mainstream brands. Plus, wife's car, her family is a BMW household so she needed to join in the fray when she could
2.) Toyota 86: I knew it needed 91, and I didnt care because its one of my "must own" cars that i knew i can afford.

I think we'll try to drive a bit less since gas prices are high but it is what it is and we're just gonna deal with it.
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I have a Model 3 and solar panels so that's really really awesome mashAllah.
I also have a gas-guzzling GLC 300 but I drive 15 mins to work so I end up paying about $160 a month in gas.
Having said that, I am fully aware that I belong to the privileged few who are not affected (directly) by rising gas prices.
I hope things get better but from where I am sitting I don't really see how.
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