what is with some job apps asking for photo picture along w/resume?

[jjyiz28]

hiring only pretty people? a way to hire based on race? they don't want anyone dorky looking? lolzz

[slaWter]

That's normal procedure here.

[Perky McGiggles]

Most likely so they don't waste their time interviewing someone who looks like this:

[Sundance Kid V2]

Originally Posted by Perky McGiggles

Most likely so they don't waste their time interviewing someone who looks like this:

[Zero]

Originally Posted by jjyiz28

hiring only pretty people? a way to hire based on race? they don't want anyone dorky looking? lolzz

I think it's illegal up here. So what if they ask, take a good pic, send it in.

[JohnEJohn]

I cannot agree with this, there are way too many variables where this could be used to discriminate against another person.

I'm a private person and I do not give up my liberties easily, especially based upon some bullshit corporate hr policy. If this were a requirement I would not even apply in the first place, hell I may even apply just so I could drag them over the coals.

I could see this as a requirement for some kind of photo-shoot/modelling vacancy etc but beyond that I do not see what purpose that this has apart from unjust discrimination.

I cannot believe that some of you guys accept this, no offence meant there by the way, this sort of thing just happens to be something that I feel strongly about. I feel that all of our liberties are being eroded and that we are just sitting back as a people letting the land slip in the name of what ever happens to be flavour of the week.

I may be the catalyst that drives this thread to p+r... apologies for that.

[IamHere]

Originally Posted by JohnEJohn

I cannot agree with this, there are way too many variables where this could be used to discriminate against another person.

I'm a private person and I do not give up my liberties easily, especially based upon some bullshit corporate hr policy. If this were a requirement I would not even apply in the first place, hell I may even apply just so I could drag them over the coals.

I could see this as a requirement for some kind of photo-shoot/modelling vacancy etc but beyond that I do not see what purpose that this has apart from unjust discrimination.

I cannot believe that some of you guys accept this, no offence meant there by the way, this sort of thing just happens to be something that I feel strongly about. I feel that all of our liberties are being eroded and that we are just sitting back as a people letting the land slip in the name of what ever happens to be flavour of the week.

I may be the catalyst that drives this thread to p+r... apologies for that.

Any job that has public exposure, the employer should be able to vet the apperence of the potential employee. Otherwise you would end up with the dude in the pic above.

[JohnEJohn]

Originally Posted by IamHere

Any job that has public exposure, the employer should be able to vet the apperence of the potential employee. Otherwise you would end up with the dude in the pic above.

I understand what you are saying there and in a few isolated instances I can see what you are getting at. The problem with that however is how do you define what is a publicly exposed role, given the rise of technological evolution of many types of industry it could be argued that many roles that were not traditionally public facing are now in fact out in the open.

The problem is, when you open the door... where does it stop?

[caveman-jim]

If you're gonna get the job, you'll meet them face to face anyway. If they hire based on factors including your appearance, you've no different chance for getting hired or not.


However, prospective employees should ask 'what is this image used for, how is it stored, whom has access and when will it be removed from your storage?'

[JohnEJohn]

Originally Posted by caveman-jim

If you're gonna get the job, you'll meet them face to face anyway. If they hire based on factors including your appearance, you've no different chance for getting hired or not.

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The problem with this is that somebody could look completely outrageous or on the other side of the spectrum may have some type of handicap. The person in question could be denied the prospect of gaining an interview based upon how a potential employer viewed their cv and photo before an actual interview took place, negatively discriminating against them.

In an actual interview you may find that someone who you may dismiss at face value is in fact the more qualified person for the job... again apologies for the p+r shenanigans.

[Akumajo]

Originally Posted by Perky McGiggles

Most likely so they don't waste their time interviewing someone who looks like this:

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Welcome to the Facebook world of the Social Network movie... go and light a candle and kneel to your new world order god Mark Zuckerberg.

[Zero]

Originally Posted by caveman-jim

If you're gonna get the job, you'll meet them face to face anyway. If they hire based on factors including your appearance, you've no different chance for getting hired or not.

At the pre-interview stage, it's prejudiced unless you're applying for a public-facing job where image is a key requisite (like an actor). A low-end McJob or anything corporate should not require a headshot to be submitted with your resume.

[JohnEJohn]

Originally Posted by Zero

At the pre-interview stage, it's prejudiced unless you're applying for a public-facing job where image is a key requisite (like an actor). A low-end McJob or anything corporate should not require a headshot to be submitted with your resume.

Exactly

[IamHere]

Originally Posted by Zero

At the pre-interview stage, it's prejudiced unless you're applying for a public-facing job where image is a key requisite (like an actor). A low-end McJob or anything corporate should not require a headshot to be submitted with your resume.

Fine, tat your face up and don't give them a pic if they ask. See how many interviews you get.

[JohnEJohn]

Originally Posted by IamHere

Fine, tat your face up and don't give them a pic if they ask. See how many interviews you get.

You truly cannot see the can of worms that practices like these encourage to be opened and abused??

[IamHere]

Originally Posted by JohnEJohn

You truly cannot see the can of worms that practices like these encourage to be opened and abused??

I am all for those too dumb to leave their faces alone to not work/reproduce.

[JohnEJohn]

Originally Posted by IamHere

I am all for those too dumb to leave their faces alone to not work/reproduce.

Not even talking about someone with a tattooed face here, say a prospective employer does not like the look of someone's face based upon their high cheek bones or a wart on their face so they do not give them an interview.

I know it sounds absurd but this is the door that you open by brining in these types of invasions of privacy.

Going to sleep now,,, damn time zones.

[Zero]

Originally Posted by IamHere

Fine, tat your face up and don't give them a pic if they ask. See how many interviews you get.

Hi dupe account troll, please learn to read before posting. I already said to do it, I am now pointing out that it's a stupid practice.

[Zero]

Originally Posted by JohnEJohn

Not even talking about someone with a tattooed face here, say a prospective employer does not like the look of someone's face based upon their high cheek bones or a wart on their face so they do not give them an interview.

I know it sounds absurd but this is the door that you open by brining in these types of invasions of privacy.

Going to sleep now,,, damn time zones.

I wouldn't be so concerned about the invasion of privacy, they're going to see your face regardless. I'd be more concerned about what kind of employer makes decisions about people based simply on how photogenic they are (again, if personal appearance isn't key to your job).

[caveman-jim]

Originally Posted by JohnEJohn

The problem with this is that somebody could look completely outrageous or on the other side of the spectrum may have some type of handicap. The person in question could be denied the prospect of gaining an interview based upon how a potential employer viewed their cv and photo before an actual interview took place, negatively discriminating against them.

In an actual interview you may find that someone who you may dismiss at face value is in fact the more qualified person for the job... again apologies for the p+r shenanigans.

Originally Posted by Zero

At the pre-interview stage, it's prejudiced unless you're applying for a public-facing job where image is a key requisite (like an actor). A low-end McJob or anything corporate should not require a headshot to be submitted with your resume.

If you walk in for interview and are unsuccessful, or submit resume and headshot and are unsuccessful, what's the difference?

You'd have to prove prejudice in both circumstances, and to what end? Getting hired by a company that behaves illegally? Unless you've got money to burn on an expensive law suit and expose investigation, you're on a hiding to nothing.

I think if you dig deeper, they're using headshots for face searches on social networking sites, see where you turn up and what you're doing. Now that is worth worrying about.

[swingline]

Any employer that asks for a picture is opening themselves up to EO claims assuming they aren't places that legitimately need headshots.

That being said - we use pics (you have to submit a passport photo) to facilitate checking social networking sites and to help out the DSS/PI for security clearance stuff.

[Zero]

Originally Posted by caveman-jim

If you walk in for interview and are unsuccessful, or submit resume and headshot and are unsuccessful, what's the difference?

Difference is you actually get a shot at speaking for yourself at the interview. Yes, most prejudice can't be reasoned against, but some cases can be turned in your favor if you're given the opportunity.

Friend of the ex who is an older lady was met shock when she showed up at her last interview (entry level position in a new career for her). Told right off the bat they would have never considered her had they known her age. She took it in stride, wowed them with her interview and really changed some preconceptions at that workplace. She beat out a dozen other young candidates and has been there almost a year now and loves it. Think of the system where her face would have automatically filtered her out because of agism.

[A2597]

I'd think it would be so they can know they are looking at the right facebook page. "Yep, that's him!"

[Akumajo]

Originally Posted by A2597

I'd think it would be so they can know they are looking at the right facebook page. "Yep, that's her!"

Fixed!



This is probably closer to the truth... there are old pre-internet rumors about certain people when being hired depending on the workplace... would end up being placed in highly visible places or the other extreme being placed in window-less places.

Then again those are very old rumors and hiring based on looks or youth sounds like grounds for major lawsuits but then again how do you end up finding out unless you actually work there and these days with people losing their jobs left and right you gotta wonder.

[Adanu]

Originally Posted by swingline

Any employer that asks for a picture is opening themselves up to EO claims assuming they aren't places that legitimately need headshots.

That being said - we use pics (you have to submit a passport photo) to facilitate checking social networking sites and to help out the DSS/PI for security clearance stuff.

YOu use pics to actively search networking websites? Yeah, glad I probably will never apply to your workplace

I have to agree with John here though. No reason to need a picture unless your job will be in the public eye.

[swingline]

Originally Posted by Adanu

YOu use pics to actively search networking websites? Yeah, glad I probably will never apply to your workplace

Me too.

[twonha]

I've been putting my ugly mugshot on my resume for years now. I figured it helps to have a familiar face when applying for a job. And if they decide to not even invite me for an application based on how I look... Time saved.