EA Infects Battlefield Hardline with new ghastly DRM

**acroig** · Mar 25, 2015, 09:00 AM

"Here's what EAs DRM is doing, they don't just verify the number of PCs you work on slash use, nope .. they dare to monitor hardware changes now, which I am sure is a privacy breach on many levels. So once we insert new hardware (CPU / mobo or graphics cards) the hardware id # hash changes and if that happens a couple of times they are rendering your activation invalid.

What a bunch of rubbish ...."

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ea-...astly-drm.html

I know there's a Hardline thread but I wanted everyone to see this potential issue.

Munkus · Mar 25, 2015, 09:13 AM

Doesn't Microsoft do this for Windows? I guess it makes sense for an OS, but for a game?

Thanks for the heads up. Striking this off my purchase list.

badboy · Mar 25, 2015, 09:36 AM

why the **** have DRM in games today?!?!?!?

And this is an online game... They are totally retarded!

Mangler · Mar 25, 2015, 09:49 AM

It really is a non-issue for "normal" people though, I seem to remember reading that the activation limit refreshes monthly or something similar.

**bittermann** · Mar 25, 2015, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mangler

It really is a non-issue for "normal" people though, I seem to remember reading that the activation limit refreshes monthly or something similar.

It's 24hrs...if it sees too many connections from different pc's in that time frame that's when the drm kicks in...really a non issue.

Sweetz · Mar 25, 2015, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acroig

they dare to monitor hardware changes now, which I am sure is a privacy breach on many levels.

Oh no! They know I have a GTX 680, I FEEL SO VIOLATED.

Guru3D is hard up for site hits, apparently.

wangFu · Mar 25, 2015, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munkus

Doesn't Microsoft do this for Windows? I guess it makes sense for an OS, but for a game?

Thanks for the heads up. Striking this off my purchase list.

I think only OEM cares about hardware changes, Retail keys don't as far as i know

guest · Mar 25, 2015, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweetz

Oh no! They know I have a GTX 680, I FEEL SO VIOLATED.

Guru3D is hard up for site hits, apparently.

How much money do you have in the bank? No reason not to post it.

**acroig** · Mar 25, 2015, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mangler

It really is a non-issue for "normal" people though, I seem to remember reading that the activation limit refreshes monthly or something similar.

If true then no worries but say you activate and then do a hardware upgrade or want to test multiple configurations...

Bit of a PITA for something that has a DRM already (Origin).

Adanu · Mar 25, 2015, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweetz

Oh no! They know I have a GTX 680, I FEEL SO VIOLATED.

Guru3D is hard up for site hits, apparently.

What's your SSN plz?

SubCog · Mar 25, 2015, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munkus

Doesn't Microsoft do this for Windows? I guess it makes sense for an OS, but for a game?

Thanks for the heads up. Striking this off my purchase list.

For windows you just have to call ms and they'll unlock your key. These days you don't even have to talk to a human, it's all an automated call system.

andino · Mar 25, 2015, 02:42 PM

EA... The worst company in America for a reason.....

Munkus · Mar 25, 2015, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SubCog

For windows you just have to call ms and they'll unlock your key. These days you don't even have to talk to a human, it's all an automated call system.

I know that. I wonder if EA will be just as generous.

**nutcrackr** · Mar 25, 2015, 03:25 PM

Sounds more like an account security thing.

Sweetz · Mar 25, 2015, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guest

How much money do you have in the bank? No reason not to post it.

Security wise, you're probably right that there isn't a reason to be guarded about that; but socially/culturally I don't like random people on a forum knowing that. However, I don't buy any argument that someone is truly that concerned about the privacy of their PC specs - especially considering that a lot people take pride in publicly posting them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adanu

What's your SSN plz?

Because my SSN is totally comparable to my PC's hardware spec in terms of sensitive personal information? guest's metaphor, while still not a great comparison, was at least in the same area code; this isn't even in the same galaxy. Trying to draw a comparison here is like the nuts that argue seatbeat laws are akin to us living in an Orwellian society.

Here's an actually comparable question: "What model phone do you have."

Oh wait you're right, THEY'RE MONSTERS.

skrybe · Mar 25, 2015, 08:16 PM

If you're going to put in DRM that deactivates the game (no matter how long for) there needs to be an easy workaround that the user knows about. Like "go to the EA website and answer your secret account question". If it's not made obvious to the user up front I don't think it should be allowed.

I could see this hitting some people other than the reviewers/testers. If you ever have PC problems and you're trying to test your PC for stability - swapping in/out ram, video card etc trying to get it right. And of course it's likely to affect 90% of users who do a major PC upgrade.

And yes, retail Windows does "phone home" with your hardware information and if it changes too much it goes into restricted mode. Happened to me a couple times when I did upgrades. Wasn't super hard to get it reactivated, but it was a pain in the ass at the worst possible time.

Crawdaddy79 · Mar 25, 2015, 09:27 PM

I thought this was going to be a Starforce thread.

Chuck · Mar 25, 2015, 09:40 PM

When the heck is this bastard company going to go down? That'll be the best for the gaming industry methinks. Even if they took Bioware down with them it'll be a worthy sacrifice for the better good.

Sundance Kid V2 · Mar 26, 2015, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweetz

Oh no! They know I have a GTX 680, I FEEL SO VIOLATED.

Guru3D is hard up for site hits, apparently.

dude.. it opens avenues for attacks etc.

I'll keep away from EA.

HyperNovae · Mar 26, 2015, 08:27 AM

This is just origin. It let's you install the game on 5 different computers every 24 hours. Completely outrageous. This is over reach on the highest level. I have no problem with the US government stalking everything I do but this my friends is beyond comprehension.

Mangler · Mar 26, 2015, 08:29 AM

But what if you upgrade your computer 5 times per day?

Think of the children ffs!

I find it odd that this is the first time guru3d ran into this issue though, I guess they don't update their benchmark suite that often?

HyperNovae · Mar 26, 2015, 08:33 AM

Origin says if you are benchmarking or something to just call and they will help you out. God the horror, those poor souls. This is the type of orwellian nightmare Alex Jones told me about.

**acroig** · Mar 26, 2015, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HyperNovae

Origin says if you are benchmarking or something to just call and they will help you out. God the horror, those poor souls. This is the type of orwellian nightmare Alex Jones told me about.

jimjobob · Mar 26, 2015, 10:56 AM

Not really any thing new. Two Worlds would count it as a new activation if you even changed something as minor as the timings on your RAM.

**|MaguS|** · Mar 26, 2015, 12:26 PM

Hey look PC Gamers passing around incorrect information regarding DRM!

None of this DRM nonsense is true...
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...origin-not-drm

**nutcrackr** · Mar 26, 2015, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |MaguS|

Hey look PC Gamers passing around incorrect information regarding DRM!

None of this DRM nonsense is true...
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...origin-not-drm

What a surprise, just like their incorrect information about Origin spying on people.

Mangler · Mar 26, 2015, 03:30 PM

Pfft, who cares about the facts, an opportunity to bash EA must not be wasted.

**|MaguS|** · Mar 26, 2015, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutcrackr

What a surprise, just like their incorrect information about Origin spying on people.

Steam does as well... all services do.

ThirdEye · Mar 26, 2015, 05:17 PM

Dave can't play Hardline.

t0adp1p3 · Mar 26, 2015, 06:32 PM

This is literally going to effect dozens of people (counting Dave). Any opportunity to whine, I love pc gamers.

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acroig Troll SMod Join Date: May 2004 Location: Troll Master of Manchesville Posts: 53,903	EA Infects Battlefield Hardline with new ghastly DRM "Here's what EAs DRM is doing, they don't just verify the number of PCs you work on slash use, nope .. they dare to monitor hardware changes now, which I am sure is a privacy breach on many levels. So once we insert new hardware (CPU / mobo or graphics cards) the hardware id # hash changes and if that happens a couple of times they are rendering your activation invalid. What a bunch of rubbish ...." http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ea-...astly-drm.html I know there's a Hardline thread but I wanted everyone to see this potential issue. __________________ By your retarded posts i can only conclude you haven't been spanked enough. yoz

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Mar 25, 2015, 09:13 AM	#2
Munkus Hugged your dog lately? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Big Sky Country Posts: 28,017	Doesn't Microsoft do this for Windows? I guess it makes sense for an OS, but for a game? Thanks for the heads up. Striking this off my purchase list.

Mar 25, 2015, 09:49 AM	#4
Mangler PC Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 20,728	It really is a non-issue for "normal" people though, I seem to remember reading that the activation limit refreshes monthly or something similar.

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Mar 25, 2015, 02:42 PM	#12
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Mar 25, 2015, 03:25 PM	#14
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Mar 25, 2015, 08:16 PM	#16
skrybe Radeon R420 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 263	If you're going to put in DRM that deactivates the game (no matter how long for) there needs to be an easy workaround that the user knows about. Like "go to the EA website and answer your secret account question". If it's not made obvious to the user up front I don't think it should be allowed. I could see this hitting some people other than the reviewers/testers. If you ever have PC problems and you're trying to test your PC for stability - swapping in/out ram, video card etc trying to get it right. And of course it's likely to affect 90% of users who do a major PC upgrade. And yes, retail Windows does "phone home" with your hardware information and if it changes too much it goes into restricted mode. Happened to me a couple times when I did upgrades. Wasn't super hard to get it reactivated, but it was a pain in the ass at the worst possible time. __________________ --- English is my second language. I normally speak gibberish.

Mar 25, 2015, 09:27 PM	#17
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Mar 26, 2015, 08:27 AM	#20
HyperNovae RIP Roxen Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: underground command centre Posts: 6,189	This is just origin. It let's you install the game on 5 different computers every 24 hours. Completely outrageous. This is over reach on the highest level. I have no problem with the US government stalking everything I do but this my friends is beyond comprehension. __________________ RIP John Dunsworth

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Mar 26, 2015, 08:29 AM	#21
Mangler PC Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 20,728	But what if you upgrade your computer 5 times per day? Think of the children ffs! I find it odd that this is the first time guru3d ran into this issue though, I guess they don't update their benchmark suite that often?

Mar 26, 2015, 08:33 AM	#22
HyperNovae RIP Roxen Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: underground command centre Posts: 6,189	Origin says if you are benchmarking or something to just call and they will help you out. God the horror, those poor souls. This is the type of orwellian nightmare Alex Jones told me about. __________________ RIP John Dunsworth

Mar 26, 2015, 10:56 AM	#24
jimjobob Radeon Volcanic Islands Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,972	Not really any thing new. Two Worlds would count it as a new activation if you even changed something as minor as the timings on your RAM.

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Mar 26, 2015, 12:26 PM	#25
\|MaguS\| Wrong!... SNIFF Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Ham Lake, MN Posts: 5,109	Hey look PC Gamers passing around incorrect information regarding DRM! None of this DRM nonsense is true... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...origin-not-drm __________________ *"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."* -- Albert Einstein Twitch Channel \| Steam Profile \| Console ID: Pocky4Th3Win

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Mar 26, 2015, 03:30 PM	#27
Mangler PC Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 20,728	:bleh: Pfft, who cares about the facts, an opportunity to bash EA must not be wasted.

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Mar 26, 2015, 06:32 PM	#30
t0adp1p3 Radeon Arctic Islands Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Carolina Beach, North Carolina Posts: 7,871	This is literally going to effect dozens of people (counting Dave). Any opportunity to whine, I love pc gamers.