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Old Sep 10, 2021, 05:07 AM   #781
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So are you saying if the next gen is 3x faster than a 3090 then the MSRP of £$2,500 would be justified? There's no chance you get that performance uplift for less than a 3090 at today's price. Despite having a great product in RDNA2 AMD's market share is dropping due to lack of availability.

That hurts AMD badly as most Nvidia owners won't swap to AMD irrespective of performance because they're too attached to the Nvidia ecosystem and drivers. Personally it doesn't bother me but there are a lot of people on here who would be bothered
Personally I don't think most gamers are that attached to Nvidia. But you can't gain marketshare if you're not actually producing enough cards.

At this point I really think AMD and Nvidia need to consider keeping production of mid range cards on older processes. Clearly they aren't meeting demand based on how many wafers are available to them on the cutting edge.
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It's much much easier to get a Radeon right now in Canada than a GeForce. Prices for both are stupid, but availability is massively in AMD's favour for the entire range. Not that Radeon's are not selling out, they are, but they seem to come right back in stock.
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It's much much easier to get a Radeon right now in Canada than a GeForce. Prices for both are stupid, but availability is massively in AMD's favour for the entire range. Not that Radeon's are not selling out, they are, but they seem to come right back in stock.
Wow, nice. Radeons are very hard to get locally and they they are raping you pricewise.
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It's much much easier to get a Radeon right now in Canada than a GeForce. Prices for both are stupid, but availability is massively in AMD's favour for the entire range. Not that Radeon's are not selling out, they are, but they seem to come right back in stock.
Similar in UK. Quite a few AMD cards but not seeming to sell well as way over MSRP. Much less RTX cards, again overpriced. Even some 3080's but selling for over £1,000 total madness. Some AIB's could be left red faced if stock is not moving and who knows a fire sale
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"That's not a priority for us. We do not prioritize our product or make them for the crypto folks, it is more for the gamers and that's a high priority from that standpoint. What's driven the growth, as you know, we had the Radeon 6000 series high-end GPUs introduced very competitive and that is driving the growth in the GPU space.
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that's all well and good but they could do like NV and make LHR gaming cards
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make the LHR gaming cards out of the best chips and use the chips that are a bit off or below top specs for mining cards

and as for the " Supply Will Improve Soon " September is a little too late if RDNA 3 is 6 months a year away
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They shouldn't be prioritizing products for either group IMO. I'd be fine with segmenting it out though where both versions are available. May not matter much at this point since LHR has been partially defeated.

As far as supply improving soon weren't they telling us this back in January that things would be much better come April/May? Right yah. We'll see about this. And RDNA3 being 6-12 months away is some sort of joke yes? That can't be serious.
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They shouldn't be prioritizing products for either group IMO. I'd be fine with segmenting it out though where both versions are available. May not matter much at this point since LHR has been partially defeated.

As far as supply improving soon weren't they telling us this back in January that things would be much better come April/May? Right yah. We'll see about this. And RDNA3 being 6-12 months away is some sort of joke yes? That can't be serious.
I totally agree with your sentiments concerning supply and RDNA3. AMD did say things would improve and they haven't. As for release date of RDNA3 I'd better not comment
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Thinking about picking up a 6700XT for some mining action. Rip what say you? Will cost about 900 bones.
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Thinking about picking up a 6700XT for some mining action. Rip what say you? Will cost about 900 bones.
A new 5950x and now an AMD vga.What can i say other than excelent idea...I am glad that you invest more in AMD ..
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Thinking about picking up a 6700XT for some mining action. Rip what say you? Will cost about 900 bones.
900 seems like a lot to pay for 47MH this late in the game with only about 5-6 months of time left to mine before the end.

Reference model at 479$ would be a far better deal especially for this dedicated use case. I think a dual use card (gaming and mining) scenario benefits more from the more expensive AIB cards with better coolers.

I know you aren't in the states, so your options are probably limited. To give you an example I picked up a straight vanilla RX 6800 reference card off the AMD website sales drop and paid 579$ for 62MH. That's not chump change but it blows the doors off 900 for 47MH.
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900 seems like a lot to pay for 47MH this late in the game with only about 5-6 months of time left to mine before the end.

Reference model at 479$ would be a far better deal especially for this dedicated use case. I think a dual use card (gaming and mining) scenario benefits more from the more expensive AIB cards with better coolers.

I know you aren't in the states, so your options are probably limited. To give you an example I picked up a straight vanilla RX 6800 reference card off the AMD website sales drop and paid 579$ for 62MH. That's not chump change but it blows the doors off 900 for 47MH.
Got it. What about a 2070 for 600 bucks for 43 MH?
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That’s according to Larry Cordisco, co-lead of the Osterweis Growth & Income Fund, which invests in mid- and large-cap companies and who is very bullish on AMD ‘s (ticker: AMD) prospects.


Advanced Micro is expected to close its $35 billion purchase of Xilinx (XLNX), a rival chip maker, later this year. When AMD does complete the deal, Cordisco expects AMD to generate about $35 billion of sales by 2024. More importantly, AMDs data center revenue could double this year and hit about $12 billion in 2024, Cordisco said.

AMD earnings are anticipated to be in the $2.75 to $3 per-share range this year and could shoot up to as much as $7 per share in 2024, he said. (The $7 is dependent on how much AMD management reinvests in the business, Cordisco said.) Net income will likely hit $3.5 billion this year and $11.5 billion by 2024.
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AMD is engineering the two chips to work together seamlessly, Cordisco said. “The X86 and GPU interaction is one of the most important and fastest growing workloads in modern data centers,” he said. “This GPU-X86 interface is big data processing. It’s a big deal.”

He pointed to Nvidia (NVDA), which trades at $220.33, because its GPU powers data centers, Cordisco said. He doesn’t think AMD will dethrone Nvidia in the data center market, but he doesn’t think AMD is getting any credit for this potential growth segment.

“GPUs in the data center could be a multi-billion dollar business for AMD and no one talks about that,” Cordisco said.
https://www.barrons.com/articles/roc...ll-51631321955

data center, Server & Notebook CPUs are all big money

but I still think they will get to RDNA 3 for a gaming GPU next year
as they still need a good high end GPU to help sell the rest
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but I still think they will get to RDNA 3 for a gaming GPU next year
as they still need a good high end GPU to help sell the rest
I don't blame AMD, this is a good $ making area for them.

They had a good high end GPU this time around but not very easy to get one (3090 was somewhat easier if you wanted to pay the price).
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I don't blame AMD, this is a good $ making area for them.

They had a good high end GPU this time around but not very easy to get one (3090 was somewhat easier if you wanted to pay the price).
The reason you couldn't get one was AMD never imagined the sheer demand for enthusiast GPU's brought on by the pandemic and neither did Nvidia hence the shortages.

Prior to RDNA2 AMD had zero market share in the enthusiast market so they will have allocated the wafer capacity accordingly and RDNA2 was at the bottom after the consoles and their CPU's. There's nothing wrong with that it made good business sense just the pandemic demand screwed that logic.

AMD's CFO commented that the Average selling prices (ASP's) are bigger for the datacenter CPU's/GPU's so again a good business decision to target these markets now they have a foothold. AMD is a business first and foremost and it's all about profits and not satisfying certain segments.

Regarding RDNA3 if it is 3x faster it will probably cost about $£2,000 minimum as AMD now know people will pay that kind of money for that performance. Same goes for Lovelace and we know the jacket loves high prices.

I agree that the 3090 availability was better but the price was high. The performance was certainly there and quite a few of us on here bought one and are still gaming happily and that's what it's all about. We all have a different price/performance ratio but as long as you're happy with what you buy I don't see a problem.
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Regarding RDNA3 if it is 3x faster it will probably cost about $£2,000 minimum as AMD now know people will pay that kind of money for that performance.
Yep. Sadly, the increased prices proved how elastic GPU prices can be, and any company making GPUs would be idiots for not taking advantage of it while they could.

Of course, with this much margin to be had, new brands may come out to compete. Intel coming out with their mid-level GPU (Arc Alchemist) could shake things a little. I'm not going to hold my breath though. Where's S3 and Matrox when you need them?
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The reason you couldn't get one was AMD never imagined the sheer demand for enthusiast GPU's brought on by the pandemic and neither did Nvidia hence the shortages.

Prior to RDNA2 AMD had zero market share in the enthusiast market so they will have allocated the wafer capacity accordingly and RDNA2 was at the bottom after the consoles and their CPU's. There's nothing wrong with that it made good business sense just the pandemic demand screwed that logic.

AMD's CFO commented that the Average selling prices (ASP's) are bigger for the datacenter CPU's/GPU's so again a good business decision to target these markets now they have a foothold. AMD is a business first and foremost and it's all about profits and not satisfying certain segments.

Regarding RDNA3 if it is 3x faster it will probably cost about $£2,000 minimum as AMD now know people will pay that kind of money for that performance. Same goes for Lovelace and we know the jacket loves high prices.

I agree that the 3090 availability was better but the price was high. The performance was certainly there and quite a few of us on here bought one and are still gaming happily and that's what it's all about. We all have a different price/performance ratio but as long as you're happy with what you buy I don't see a problem.

I do feel the pandemic showed GPU's are actually more like life" sustaining essential item.I do feel for many PC gaming is about keeping sanity and not thinking about the pandemic and the world mess.
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The reason you couldn't get one was AMD never imagined the sheer demand for enthusiast GPU's brought on by the pandemic and neither did Nvidia hence the shortages.

Prior to RDNA2 AMD had zero market share in the enthusiast market so they will have allocated the wafer capacity accordingly and RDNA2 was at the bottom after the consoles and their CPU's. There's nothing wrong with that it made good business sense just the pandemic demand screwed that logic.

AMD's CFO commented that the Average selling prices (ASP's) are bigger for the datacenter CPU's/GPU's so again a good business decision to target these markets now they have a foothold. AMD is a business first and foremost and it's all about profits and not satisfying certain segments.

Regarding RDNA3 if it is 3x faster it will probably cost about $£2,000 minimum as AMD now know people will pay that kind of money for that performance. Same goes for Lovelace and we know the jacket loves high prices.

I agree that the 3090 availability was better but the price was high. The performance was certainly there and quite a few of us on here bought one and are still gaming happily and that's what it's all about. We all have a different price/performance ratio but as long as you're happy with what you buy I don't see a problem.
don't think the 7900 xt will top 1500 USD and it maybe will be 2X faster than a 6900 xt in raster and maybe about 2.5X in Ray Tracing only
RT is where they need to add most

but chiplets are easier and cheaper to make and have a lot less wasted chips


but what ever the AMD price NV will be twice that of the AMD cards even if they is slower and glow in the dark
the jacket knows the faithful will pay it no matter what they will sell all they can make
this time NV will make the 2080 ti and 3090 look like they were a cheap deal
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don't think the 7900 xt will top 1500 USD and it maybe will be 2X faster than a 6900 xt in raster and maybe about 2.5X in Ray Tracing only
RT is where they need to add most

but chiplets are easier and cheaper to make and have a lot less wasted chips


but what ever the AMD price NV will be twice that of the AMD cards even if they is slower and glow in the dark
the jacket knows the faithful will pay it no matter what they will sell all they can make
this time NV will make the 2080 ti and 3090 look like they were a cheap deal

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MSRP for 6900xt is 1000$.... It's up to do to decide if you want to spend 50% more on the card.
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MSRP for 6900xt is 1000$....
Aside from launch day I have not seen it sold for 1K.....EVER.
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MSRP at Newegg for XFX 6900XT Merc 319 is 1739$.
At BB it is $1399 where you will pay taxes and crap. So $1540 is very close to MSRP sitting in Dubai especially.
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Aside from launch day I have not seen it sold for 1K.....EVER.
Some guy picked up one from the AMD drop last week in the discord I'm on.

MSRP of $999 is just for the reference model anyway. I can't find msrp published data for any of the AIB cards at all.

Picked up a 6800xt last Thursday from the AMD drop. Selling my 6900xt now since it's just a total waste to be dedicated mining with it in the rig. All I want is to get what I paid for it (1200+ship) at this point. And it's a good overclocker for games.
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Awesome.
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I would’ve gotten it but just saw that my stupid MSI Tomahawk has issues w/ cards on risers on both 3XXX and 6XXX series. What a stupid thing to do. No other board suffers from this except all MSI X570 line.
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