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Old May 2, 2004, 02:59 PM   #1
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/05/....ap/index.html

I'm certainly not anti gun-ownership, but this is just way funny. Just too bad that it had to happen in front of kids ...
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Maybe the member knew it was loaded and just wantedd the guy to shot himself good thing he didnt have it pointed to his head or something
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For some reason I can't see cnn.com at the moment... but here's a good example of why cops shouldn't have guns:

http://www.firefox.nl/Movies/triggerhappy.mpeg
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She heard her radio and I think that they get a habit of answering with a certain hand which in that case had the gun and her natural instinct was to move it to the radio. You could see her then use her other hand to use the radio. It's all pretty simple really. Too bad it happened, but dumb **** happens. Cops should have guns still.
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I don't see how this can happen with an automatic. Once the slide is pulled back the formerly chambered round becomes extracted and pops onto the floor. Unless the nimrods doing the reporting forgot to add 'he replaced the magazine and racked the slide' what this report says is impossible.

Hey movieman, I take it you think that undertrained civilian scum should have guns though right?
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I take it you think that undertrained civilian scum should have guns though right?
American cops kill far more people by mistake than civilians do (at least per-capita, I'm not sure about absolute levels). This shouldn't be surprising: if a crook breaks into your house and pulls a gun on you you know who the bad guy is... if a cop answers a call, sees you pointing a gun at another guy in self-defence, they have to guess.
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I don't see how this can happen with an automatic. Once the slide is pulled back the formerly chambered round becomes extracted and pops onto the floor. Unless the nimrods doing the reporting forgot to add 'he replaced the magazine and racked the slide' what this report says is impossible.

Hey movieman, I take it you think that undertrained civilian scum should have guns though right?

Yep. What the article said was impossible.

How stupid can you be? I can understand a student perhaps doing somthing idiotic like that, but a trained DEA agent? ...

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Huh? Where are you getting this information? Link?
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For some reason I can't see cnn.com at the moment... but here's a good example of why cops shouldn't have guns:

http://www.firefox.nl/Movies/triggerhappy.mpeg

Actually its why women shouldn't be cops.
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http://www.firefox.nl/Movies/triggerhappy.mpeg
Wtf , did she get away with this ? He was already being handled , did he die ?
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Yep. What the article said was impossible.

How stupid can you be? I can understand a student perhaps doing somthing idiotic like that, but a trained DEA agent? ...



Huh? Where are you getting this information? Link?

You live in CA so I guess you've never handled a gun. Having done exactly what this article said the DEA agent did it simply isn't possible for what happened to have happened. There was no magazine in the butt of the gun, the extractor would have extracted the round in the hole. There should have been no cartidges in the gun. Are YOU that dumb or is it lack of experince?
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Technically, the weapon is a semi-automatic, not automatic; the trigger is required to be pulled back for each individual shot. Asking a member of the audience to see if a gun is loaded or not is not a wise thing to do; most have never handled a firearm, and as a result a few would likely not know what to look for, even with a shell staring the in the face. If the slide is not pulled back all the way, the bullet will not eject. And clip removal does not ensure removal of the chambered bullet, depending on the weapon (I do not know what standard issue is for those guys, but there are semis that leave a chambered bullet after ejection of the cartridge). Either way, a dumb thing to happen.
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Technically, the weapon is a semi-automatic, not automatic; the trigger is required to be pulled back for each individual shot. Asking a member of the audience to see if a gun is loaded or not is not a wise thing to do; most have never handled a firearm, and as a result a few would likely not know what to look for, even with a shell staring the in the face. If the slide is not pulled back all the way, the bullet will not eject. And clip removal does not ensure removal of the chambered bullet, depending on the weapon (I do not know what standard issue is for those guys, but there are semis that leave a chambered bullet after ejection of the cartridge). Either way, a dumb thing to happen.

DEA probably uses Glock or Beretta, I've got a friend who's old man was in the DEA so I can ask him next time I see'em.

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Witnesses said when the agent released the slide, one shot fired into the top of his left thigh.
To date on EVERY gun that's an automatic (if you look it up it's called an automatic although it's not automatic firing but loading) that I've handled and it's been a fair many the extractor extracts the cartridge. There should NOT have been a cartridge in that weapon PERIOD. Given that it fired into his thigh while pointed at the floor there are only two ways to have opened the slide, one of which would have obscured the chamber and it would have had to been locked, the other a much weaker and more awkward grip.

Also don't try to teach guns to an ex-GI. We already know plenty about them.
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You live in CA so I guess you've never handled a gun. Having done exactly what this article said the DEA agent did it simply isn't possible for what happened to have happened. There was no magazine in the butt of the gun, the extractor would have extracted the round in the hole. There should have been no cartidges in the gun. Are YOU that dumb or is it lack of experince?


Are you having reading problems? I just AGREED with what you said.


LoL... ive handled guns my entire life and personally own about a dozen.

Here are a few.

My Model 66 Smith & Weson .357mag
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Or my 1920 or so 16ga A.H. Fox shotgun.
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or my 20ga Ithaca Pump
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or my winchester .270 deer rifle.
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Or perhaps my model 1894 Winchester 30-30.
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And i'll finish up with my beautiful 1930's Belgian browning 16ga semi-auto.
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I would show you my .45 ACP but its a navy officers issue (my grandfathers sidearm from WW2) and i cannot register it.
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eer...oops, I mistook the 'how stupid can you be? I can understand a stu but not a DEA' as an attack on me. :/ Not enough people on R3D use proper grammar and I'm anal about that kinda thing. You did use the proper structure however.

Also why can't you register that Navy Issue .45? I'm guessing it's a Colt model 1911 givin the time, service, etc. If it is seen plenty and they're quite nice.
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Also why can't you register that Navy Issue .45? I'm guessing it's a Colt model 1911 givin the time, service, etc. If it is seen plenty and they're quite nice.

ACP = Automatic Colt Pistol (based on the Model 1911)

Problem is that it's "property of the US government" so i would rather have big brother not know i have it. Thats why i wont attempt at registering it.


Btw... you would be suprised. California is not solely San Francisco (the communist north) and Los Angeles (mexico). Lots of people hunt, fish, and own guns. But i do understand the stereotype of the average californian. Bunch of left wing, gun hating, socialists.


ps: and looking back over my post, i understand how you got confused. It was not entirely clear.


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I don't see how this can happen with an automatic. Once the slide is pulled back the formerly chambered round becomes extracted and pops onto the floor. Unless the nimrods doing the reporting forgot to add 'he replaced the magazine and racked the slide' what this report says is impossible.

Hey movieman, I take it you think that undertrained civilian scum should have guns though right?
It is possible for a round to catch when ejecting and stay in the barrel; if it falls back into position, say via gravity, then you have a live round in the chamber. It is extremely rare for a gun to fire when the slide is released, but not impossible. This was mainly really bad luck combined with the officer's distraction.

Pistols are semi-automatic, but called automatic.....really outdated nomenclature that I dislike, but way too ingrained in gun culture to be changed.
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I sat here with a couple different guns, loaded with snap-caps, trying to recreate what they claim happened.

I couldn't.

Tried:

Kel-Tec P32
Springfield M1911A1
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Romanian AK47(WASR-10)

Only thing that I can think of, was that they removed the mag(not clip, mind you) and racked the slide, and either did not pull it back far enough to eject the round, or perhaps the extracter is wonky and failed to grab and eject the round.

I never ever hand anyone a gun to check. I am cautious to the point that even if I watch you check the firearm right in front of me, I immediately check it myself just to be sure.
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ACP = Automatic Colt Pistol (based on the Model 1911)

Problem is that it's "property of the US government" so i would rather have big brother not know i have it. Thats why i wont attempt at registering it.

Btw... you would be suprised. California is not solely San Francisco (the communist north) and Los Angeles (mexico). Lots of people hunt, fish, and own guns. But i do understand the stereotype of the average californian. Bunch of left wing, gun hating, socialists.

ps: and looking back over my post, i understand how you got confused. It was not entirely clear.

Hmm... I've been fishing in Southern Oregon many times when i was younger. My dads buddy lives in Grants Pass and we would go salmon fishing on the Rogue river for salmon every summer for like 6 years. That region is so beautiful.

hehe just gotta give you Californian's ****. I'm probably moving to Redding (which I think this location thing says) in October or so and plan on moving down there with a CA legal AR-15 based on the FAB-10 receiver.

Squire, I too tried that but with live ammo and pointed WELL away from my body and the ONLY way I got my P99 to not extract and eject the round was to pull the slide V-E-R-Y slowly. Given this was a class I'm guessing the DEA agent probably did not move it that slow.
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hehe just gotta give you Californian's ****. I'm probably moving to Redding (which I think this location thing says) in October or so and plan on moving down there with a CA legal AR-15 based on the FAB-10 receiver.

Squire, I too tried that but with live ammo and pointed WELL away from my body and the ONLY way I got my P99 to not extract and eject the round was to pull the slide V-E-R-Y slowly. Given this was a class I'm guessing the DEA agent probably did not move it that slow.
Well, I guess it happens...

I am sure that many driving instructors get into car accidents as well, you know?
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Well, I guess it happens...

I am sure that many driving instructors get into car accidents as well, you know?

Gotta agree with you there. I was talking to my former boss (also ex Sheriff) who told me one of his deputies got into an accident with his weapon as well. It happens to the best.
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Old May 5, 2004, 06:54 PM   #28
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They do. They're in the manuals.
Yeah, but do they actually expect us to read those things? :-)

I am going shooting this weekend. I have 1,500 rounds of .32ACP, .45ACP, .223 and 5.62x39 ammo that is begging to be put down range.

I will try not to shoot myself.
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Old May 5, 2004, 07:47 PM   #29
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I can't wait for June and my tax refund. I've decided to get an AR-15. Debaiting between 5.56 or 6.8 mostly cause I'll either be building and making it CA legal from the start or getting a fairly cheap complete AR and getting a CA legal lower before I move there.
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Old May 5, 2004, 08:25 PM   #30
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For some reason I can't see cnn.com at the moment... but here's a good example of why cops shouldn't have guns:

http://www.firefox.nl/Movies/triggerhappy.mpeg
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