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Old Mar 8, 2021, 10:55 AM   #31
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Go for it, everyone needs some rebar and pci express 4 Still waiting on EVGA to give us our rebar BIOS. I have everything else.
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Still waiting on EVGA to give us our rebar BIOS. I have everything else.
Do we need a GPU BIOS for rebar or just activated in Nv drivers?
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Looking at something like Cyberpunk where more cores does make an FPS difference and having hardware capable of BAR.

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I was about to say the same thing that Cyberjunk doesn't require a CPU. It was one of the games where my AMD CPU ran the lowest in terms of temperatures (under 70 C) whereas, all other games pushed temperatures around 72-82 C. If you want to do comparisons on CPU performance then best games seem to be Ubi engine games (like Immortals, GRBP, FC5, FCND) or COD games (MW, CW), or SOTTR.

I posted CW since that is the one games I tested and played on both CPUs w/ 3070 installed.
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There is no ****ing way they ran that test 16 times and every single time matched exactly. There's no variance? Margin of error? Nothing?

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There is no ****ing way they ran that test 16 times and every single time matched exactly. There's no variance? Margin of error? Nothing?

No chance.
It's Steve from Hardware Unboxed so at least that part is easy to believe the rest not so much i would assume
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It's Steve from Hardware Unboxed so at least that part is easy to believe the rest not so much i would assume
Look at the chart from Tom's that I posted, that seems more.... accurate.

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Tomahawk bios takes some getting used to and everything is not clean but still a solid board with great VRMs for the price. So if you can’t clock the processor then it’s your processor and not the board.
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Tomahawk bios takes some getting used to and everything is not clean but still a solid board with great VRMs for the price. So if you can’t clock the processor then it’s your processor and not the board.
Right, so I can get a 10700K for $190 and pair it with this mobo. Should be plug and play and perhaps by the chart from Tom see some boost on Cyberpunk.....
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You will not see any real boost.
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What you seeing on Cyberpunk with your big CPU and 3090 in downtown with RTX?
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Haven’t tested. Can check it out tomorrow but I am guessing about 65 FPS. Normally it hovers around 80-90 fps mark and driving can hit 100-110 FPS as well depending on location. My 3080 never went above 80 FPS or so if I remember correctly.
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Haven’t tested. Can check it out tomorrow but I am guessing about 65 FPS. Normally it hovers around 80-90 fps mark and driving can hit 100-110 FPS as well depending on location. My 3080 never went above 80 FPS or so if I remember correctly.
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There is no ****ing way they ran that test 16 times and every single time matched exactly. There's no variance? Margin of error? Nothing?

No chance.
Most likely each CPU/resolution was run multiple times. Any variance will just average out if you run the test enough times. It seems like Steve from Hardware Unboxed runs an ungodly amount of benchmarks, so I doubt he'd bother with this if he wasn't going to do enough runs to pretty much eliminate random fluctuations.

If you lower the settings enough in any game you can make it CPU limited. It's just at realistic settings you're going to be GPU limited almost all the time.

For some reason people just don't want to accept that your CPU doesn't matter that much for gaming.
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Look at the chart from Tom's that I posted, that seems more.... accurate.

Also, thinking of going with this mobo:

https://www.microcenter.com/product/...tx-motherboard
I think you're paying around $400 for a negligible gain that's not worth your time frankly.

This seems like a strange time to suddenly get the upgrade bug, IMO, especially if you're planning on holding for three years. It makes more sense to get in at the start of a new platform/architecture not a warmed over Kaby Lake that is no different than what you already have besides having two more cores that make no difference in most situations. Most games still don't need 8 cores, and if even you get a few extra FPS downtown in Cyberpunk, who cares? Are you planning on playing Cyberpunk for years to come? Anyway it's your money/time, but I really think you'd be better served to wait another gen.

Edit: I guess to elaborate more, it seems to me you're in sort of a weird spot where you already have the second fastest 6 core processor on the market. Yes, you can get a 10700 relatively cheap but it requires a motherboard change. Then you gain two cores, but those cores are not much different from what you already have, and the price of the processor + motherboard is fairly high for the limited gain that the two extra cores actually provide. That's why if you're going to spend the money and time to upgrade I think you'd be better off going to a 10900 since that way at least you're gaining four more cores and in situations where more cores are utilized you stand to see a bigger gain.

Even with the 10900, it doesn't gain much vs the 8086K in a lot of situations because the games don't need more than 6c/12T. That being said, in Cyberpunk you do see an improvement in the 1% and 0.1% lows compared to the 10600k (your 8086K is essentially a 10600K). For some reason they didn't test the 10700, but most of the 8 core CPUs show similar 1% and 0.1% lows to the 8086K, so the question is would a 10700 fare any better? If not it might not do much of anything for you. (Frankly the GN selection of CPUs for this benchmark was sort of lackluster. Why no 8 core Ryzen 5000 or Intel 10000 series?)

Anyway, the bottom line is from a practical standpoint, your best option is probably to stick with what you have. But if you really want to upgrade for some reason, you're already spending so much that I don't think it makes sense to try to save money on an eight core 10700. In that case, you're better off spending the extra $150 to get a 10 core that will actually be more future proof (or maybe hold out to see if the release BIOS for the 11700 really makes it better than it looked in the Anandtech preview).

I suppose another thing you can consider is getting a 9900K for your current motherboard, but maybe those aren't as favorably priced due to no longer being current?

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There is no ****ing way they ran that test 16 times and every single time matched exactly. There's no variance? Margin of error? Nothing?

No chance.
GPU bound. Their medium settings show some variance.
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I think you're paying around $400 for a negligible gain that's not worth your time frankly.

This seems like a strange time to suddenly get the upgrade bug, IMO, especially if you're planning on holding for three years. It makes more sense to get in at the start of a new platform/architecture not a warmed over Kaby Lake that is no different than what you already have besides having two more cores that make no difference in most situations. Most games still don't need 8 cores, and if even you get a few extra FPS downtown in Cyberpunk, who cares? Are you planning on playing Cyberpunk for years to come? Anyway it's your money/time, but I really think you'd be better served to wait another gen.

Edit: I guess to elaborate more, it seems to me you're in sort of a weird spot where you already have the second fastest 6 core processor on the market. Yes, you can get a 10700 relatively cheap but it requires a motherboard change. Then you gain two cores, but those cores are not much different from what you already have, and the price of the processor + motherboard is fairly high for the limited gain that the two extra cores actually provide. That's why if you're going to spend the money and time to upgrade I think you'd be better off going to a 10900 since that way at least you're gaining four more cores and in situations where more cores are utilized you stand to see a bigger gain.

Even with the 10900, it doesn't gain much vs the 8086K in a lot of situations because the games don't need more than 6c/12T. That being said, in Cyberpunk you do see an improvement in the 1% and 0.1% lows compared to the 10600k (your 8086K is essentially a 10600K). For some reason they didn't test the 10700, but most of the 8 core CPUs show similar 1% and 0.1% lows to the 8086K, so the question is would a 10700 fare any better? If not it might not do much of anything for you. (Frankly the GN selection of CPUs for this benchmark was sort of lackluster. Why no 8 core Ryzen 5000 or Intel 10000 series?)

Anyway, the bottom line is from a practical standpoint, your best option is probably to stick with what you have. But if you really want to upgrade for some reason, you're already spending so much that I don't think it makes sense to try to save money on an eight core 10700. In that case, you're better off spending the extra $150 to get a 10 core that will actually be more future proof (or maybe hold out to see if the release BIOS for the 11700 really makes it better than it looked in the Anandtech preview).

I suppose another thing you can consider is getting a 9900K for your current motherboard, but maybe those aren't as favorably priced due to no longer being current?
Excellent points, cannot dispute anything. I thought 8C/16T plus resizable BAR would be worth the $ but perhaps not.....

A 9900K is the same price as a 10700K and no resizable BAR so the incentive is even less...
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I had been in your dilema and i ended up upgrading the monitor.I said to myself let's upgrade my visual experience.
Looking at your specs the only thing that i personally would upgrade would be the sound card from DGX to something top of the line.Either Evga Nu Audio pro or Creative AE9.This would bring substantial improvement and would be more intersting than the cpu upgrade.I would also get a pair of high end headphones from second hand market.
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I heard in the Asus forum that the 390 platform is going to get resizable bar not long after Nvidia releases it in the drivers so the 9900K should be covered but either way you are looking at a couple FPS extra at best in most situations. Very overhyped feature. PCIE 4.0 won't be useful until the 4080 comes out in a couple years and by then PCIE 5.0 will be out with DDR 5.

In cyberpunk an 8 core will get you 7FPS higher than a 6 core at 1080P but it's pretty much pointless at 4k because the GPU bottleneck. 12 and 16 core CPU's are actually slower than 8 cores in cyberpunk. With a 3090 you will get 50 to 70 FPS with everything on ultra at 4k. With physco settings you are looking at 40 to 60FPS. I don't know about 1440P but if you are looking at buying high quality gear then I don't know why you would game at resolutions lower than a console. For cyberpunk your best bet is to buy the best GPU possible. If I were you, I'd wait for a new platform before upgrading like many others have suggested. you just aren't going to get much if you upgrade right now.
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That seems to be the consensus, wait for better hardware. You guys just don't want me to post a remorse thread apparently.
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Honestly, when I upgraded from my quad core 7700K to an 8 core I9 9900K, I gained 33 FPS at 4K in some areas of Hitman 2 with 1080TI SLI. If I upgraded from my I9 9900K to the latest and greatest with a 3090 I would see less than 5 FPS increase from what I am currently getting. That is the main reason I'm against it.

If you upgraded from your 6 core to a 9900K back 2.5 years ago and used it for 5 years like I am then I would have said go for it but you've waited this long and you won't get much out of it at 4k. You might as well wait for the next big platform jump unless the extra 5 FPS really matters to you. You would get a larger boost by going with a 3090 at this point.
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You just told me what I told KAC almost verbatim.
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I upgraded from 8700k to 10700k and there was around 8% difference ST and 40% MT in synthetics. Was lucky to see 5-10% gains in games, most of which was from a few hundred more MHz and faster memory due to better IMC, not the extra cores.
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I see no gain from going to PCI5 anytime in the next 5 years or more, we are still not saturating PCI3. Definitely not something I would worry about having for a long time. We are probably just going to get into PCI4 gaining something in the next GPU cycle. Rebar depending on the game could be upto maybe 10fps and according to what I have heard Nvidia is only adding the games that use it in the driver that make decent gains while using it, unlike AMD's approach.
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Honestly, when I upgraded from my quad core 7700K to an 8 core I9 9900K, I gained 33 FPS at 4K in some areas of Hitman 2 with 1080TI SLI. If I upgraded from my I9 9900K to the latest and greatest with a 3090 I would see less than 5 FPS increase from what I am currently getting. That is the main reason I'm against it.

If you upgraded from your 6 core to a 9900K back 2.5 years ago and used it for 5 years like I am then I would have said go for it but you've waited this long and you won't get much out of it at 4k. You might as well wait for the next big platform jump unless the extra 5 FPS really matters to you. You would get a larger boost by going with a 3090 at this point.
For only 3K! Come on, I vote for this as best bang for the buck!
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To be honest with you guys if the mobo was not $200 I would have gone for it.

Who would have thought Intel would be the value CPU?
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I went from 8086K @ 4.9 to a 5900x @ 4.7 (avg all core clocked balls to the wall) and saw 2-5 FPS; not 2-5% or 5-10% in games.

I would honestly be surprised if a 10700K is any different even at 5.2 GHz.
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