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Old Nov 3, 2019, 09:10 PM   #241
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Bleh, I pretty much play 4k exclusively on my 1080Ti, Plan on playing this game the same.
Same here. I'm sure that I'll have to turn a few settings down but it'll be worth it.
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Old Nov 4, 2019, 07:13 AM   #245
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You can't pirate online, which is what this game is going to be about for years to come. Just like GTAV. You're gonna find yourself buying the game just for its online experience which is going to be much bigger than the single player portion.
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Old Nov 4, 2019, 08:58 AM   #246
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You can't pirate online, which is what this game is going to be about for years to come. Just like GTAV. You're gonna find yourself buying the game just for its online experience which is going to be much bigger than the single player portion.
Eh, Single Player GTA is better than online. Same with RDR2 for me. I buy GTA/RDR games for the single player experience. GTA online is boring as all hell when the money barrier and slogged has been removed. When hackers drop billions of dollars you realize that once you have all the buildings are cars its boring.
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Eh, Single Player GTA is better than online. Same with RDR2 for me. I buy GTA/RDR games for the single player experience. GTA online is boring as all hell when the money barrier and slogged has been removed. When hackers drop billions of dollars you realize that once you have all the buildings are cars its boring.
Well, I don't know what you mean by "better", but GTAV Online is vastly bigger. In terms of people playing, content, communites, etc.. It's a like a new game despite using the same land mass (though there are buildings that exist in Online that don't exist in single player, like the Casino). It's not an empty MMO feel either, loads of cut scenes and missions that play just like in single player. Go to any reddit or forum for GTAV, there's almost nothing dedicated to single player. People just don't play the single player anymore, while there's loads of content for Online and new content being released all the time.

Rockstar makes over a billion dollars from GTA Online. A billion. I even know people that buy extra keys just to have extra accounts in case one gets banned (from trying to cheat ) (Cheating or "modding" in GTAV Online is another story altogether, and a huge problem in itself that I hope RDR2 has steps to avoid).


RDR2 will follow the same pattern. After single player, there's nothing else to do but go Online. And hopefully they'll have major content releases for Online just like they've done for GTA5.
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I'm with logical on this one. I know online is popular these days but I find it all pretty boring and repetitive. I don't get it in the same way that I don't get steam achievements. I'm the type of person who likes to play games to unplug from the rest of society and I play for the challenge not for some fake rewards.

While I like tech heads I really don't like the general gaming population as a whole. Gaming culture is gimp. It's full of man children and cry baby teen try hards that try to be edgy screaming NOOB over and over again. The more popular and successful it is the worse it is in my experience. I still like mainstream titles like GTA but I like them for different reasons than most. I hate COD and other dumbed down entertainment. Just the way I am. I have always hated quake arena and other mindless repetitive games.

Ever since console gaming went mainstream the gaming industry has went down hill. Most niche games have disappeared and things like RTS and stealth are apparently not popular enough to be made anymore. Everything is the same watered down garbage. Just because it makes billions of dollars and is popular doesn't mean squat. Justin Bieber is popular with millions of fans and his music sucks... Those same fans play games that suck and those games make billions that inspire even more terrible games over and over again.

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I also don't play online. Tried GTA V online a couple times and simply had no interest. Did the same thing with RDR2 on PS4. Played through the campaign and shelved, just like many, many people do. Nobody I know plays it online. They either went through SP and shelved it, or go back and do random things here and there.

There's no denying how big and popular the online segment of the game is. But to make a blanket statement that "you're just going to be buying it for the online" is a bit silly. The single player games are enormous, so it's not really surprising that people would be happy with the experience and move on.
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I don't know why GTAV online is so popular. RDR2 online is pretty empty and pointless .. It's certainly not why I'd buy either game. The rampant cheating doesn't help either.
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Well, I don't know what you mean by "better",
The experience is better for me. I played quite a bit of online and never payed a cent(thanks to hackers,wouldnt have paid a cent anyway) The experience online is pretty **** with all the annoying people griefing, hacking, and just people generally being annoying. Online revolves around making money and spending it on buildings and cars. Its an endless loop of that all while dealing with hackers and griefers. Last time I played online I plunked down like 60 million for a yacht and I was like GREAT I got a boat. Literally did nothing in terms of satisfaction for me.

GTAV and RDR2 single player is more than enough game worth the money.
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New day-0 driver from nvidia dropped for this game. Also according to an article, there are 40 different gpu settings to tinker with to fine-tune performance. Its official now too that a single 2080ti cannot run this at 4k, 60fps with all settings maxed. Gamed releases on november 5th at 8am est.
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I also only play GTA5 and RDR for the single player.
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I also don't play online. Tried GTA V online a couple times and simply had no interest. Did the same thing with RDR2 on PS4. Played through the campaign and shelved, just like many, many people do. Nobody I know plays it online. They either went through SP and shelved it, or go back and do random things here and there.

There's no denying how big and popular the online segment of the game is. But to make a blanket statement that "you're just going to be buying it for the online" is a bit silly. The single player games are enormous, so it's not really surprising that people would be happy with the experience and move on.
People still buy GTAV keys today just for Online, so it's not silly. It's a fact. There's discord channels dedicated to Online for people looking to buy used accounts for those that don't want to shell out for a full license, or buy them in bulk. Rockstar even offers the full game with Online perks (bundled with online businesses or shark cards) cheaper than the full game by itself, which doesn't make sense if you think about it but makes sense for those wanting to buy just to play online. For every 10 people here that say they play single player only, there's probably a hundred that plays it exclusively for Online. You can't just sit in your chair and make blanket statements like "well, all the people I know play only single player", you need to look at the Online community. And there's actual metrics behind it. Rockstar knows who's active in Online and who's just playing single player (and who stopped playing). The statistics for online is staggering. It's why they've made over a billion from online exclusively and continue to rake in hundreds of millions of dollars per year.

Now for RDR2, single player will be the focus since its a new game. But after single player is done, the Online portion will steadily grow just like GTAV.

Let's be real here, the ONLY reason PC is getting Red Dead Redemption 2 is because of Online. They can't ignore the potential profits, especially since GTAV Online brings them massive amounts of revenue annually. Which is why we're seeing Red Dead Redemption 2 and we never saw red dead redemption 1 for PC.

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The experience is better for me. I played quite a bit of online and never payed a cent(thanks to hackers,wouldnt have paid a cent anyway) The experience online is pretty **** with all the annoying people griefing, hacking, and just people generally being annoying. Online revolves around making money and spending it on buildings and cars. Its an endless loop of that all while dealing with hackers and griefers. Last time I played online I plunked down like 60 million for a yacht and I was like GREAT I got a boat. Literally did nothing in terms of satisfaction for me.

GTAV and RDR2 single player is more than enough game worth the money.
I still play Online and it's still fun, especially with all my businesses running.

If a modder drops you cash, be prepared to get banned. I don't know when you last played, but Rockstar dropped a pretty hard hammer on modders and people using modded money. I should know, one of my characters got banned, just because I spent maybe a million or two from a "generous" modder.

Eventually I went legit and had to buy a new key. No more modding.

There's still Griefers, but it's fun to deal with them. As long as they're not modding, its just a battle of your wits against theirs. And if they mod, then its good to know a "good" modder to call for backup.




That being said I'm looking forward to RDR2 Online, after I finish with single player. I imagine the same community will migrate over, hopefully there will be no "menus" for RDR2 for people to exploit.
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I don't know why GTAV online is so popular. RDR2 online is pretty empty and pointless .. It's certainly not why I'd buy either game. The rampant cheating doesn't help either.
Cheating is the primary reason I don't play games online (with the exception of League of Legends, no cheating there but plenty of other bullshit). I STRONGLY prefer single player games and don't really care if they have a multiplayer option or not. Most games that do have the multiplayer option I never even bother with (still haven't tried multi in Remnant of the Ashes). If it's PVP only, I'll never bother with it. Co-op MAYBE I'll try it but only with personal friends. Even online you find either the elite players that whine at you for not being good enough, or you find the players that rush through the entire game at Usain Bolt speed completely ruining the point of co-op for me, which is to take my time and explore.

If a game is multiplayer only, I'd never buy it.

As for RDR2, I'm waiting for the steam release before I consider getting it.
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GTA Online cheating and Modding is out of control and makes it no fun. Last few time I played like I normally do and run my moterbike gang solo I would get kicked from the server for playing solo to much. That was when I stopped playing.
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New day-0 driver from nvidia dropped for this game. Also according to an article, there are 40 different gpu settings to tinker with to fine-tune performance. Its official now too that a single 2080ti cannot run this at 4k, 60fps with all settings maxed. Gamed releases on november 5th at 8am est.
Thanks for the heads up. I kind of expected a release day driver for this but Nividia suprissed me by not making a game ready driver for Resident Evil 2 Remake. I thought maybe they didn't bother to support games that ignored RTX but I guess they came though for this. They should as this is an extreamly successful game.

I read through the driver notes and it mentions RDR2 optimizations and profiles but under the SLI profiles it doesn't list it. Looks like I'm gonna have to spend some time building my own profile tonight. From the looks of that article they wrote, I'm going to need every ounce of power from both cards just to run 4K 60FPS at all high settings. Ultra is gonna have to wait for 2X 3080 cards or later.
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I will tweak the settings so I can maintain 50+ FPS at 4K. I am sure there will be one or two settings that have the biggest impact and will probably have to leave those on High instead of Ultra.

Drivers installed - just need the game to go live so I can download the rest of it.
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GTA Online cheating and Modding is out of control and makes it no fun. Last few time I played like I normally do and run my moterbike gang solo I would get kicked from the server for playing solo to much. That was when I stopped playing.
There was an update a few months ago that banned a wide range of modded accounts, and also introduced menu detection. Now, it doesn't get rid of modders or some of the elaborate "paid menus"... but it's not as out of control as it was before the update. I can actually do MC sell and vehicle export missions now in a public lobby, and just deal with legite asshats. Though there's still griefer modders out there, they're not as blatant about it as they used to be. Also modders dropping money is pretty much a guaranteed ban since the update, no modding group has figured to get around that yet. Rockstar gotta protect those shark card sales.
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That sucks. I thought it was launching at midnight. Guess I won't be messing with it tonight.
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People still buy GTAV keys today just for Online, so it's not silly. It's a fact. There's discord channels dedicated to Online for people looking to buy used accounts for those that don't want to shell out for a full license, or buy them in bulk. Rockstar even offers the full game with Online perks (bundled with online businesses or shark cards) cheaper than the full game by itself, which doesn't make sense if you think about it but makes sense for those wanting to buy just to play online. For every 10 people here that say they play single player only, there's probably a hundred that plays it exclusively for Online. You can't just sit in your chair and make blanket statements like "well, all the people I know play only single player", you need to look at the Online community. And there's actual metrics behind it. Rockstar knows who's active in Online and who's just playing single player (and who stopped playing). The statistics for online is staggering. It's why they've made over a billion from online exclusively and continue to rake in hundreds of millions of dollars per year.

Now for RDR2, single player will be the focus since its a new game. But after single player is done, the Online portion will steadily grow just like GTAV.

Let's be real here, the ONLY reason PC is getting Red Dead Redemption 2 is because of Online. They can't ignore the potential profits, especially since GTAV Online brings them massive amounts of revenue annually. Which is why we're seeing Red Dead Redemption 2 and we never saw red dead redemption 1 for PC.
You get worked up far too easily, relax. I never made a blanket statement. I simply said nobody I know plays online, that doesn't automatically translate to "most", or "all", or however it was translated in your head. It only referred to my friends, they don't play online...it's a fact. But that has nothing to do with percentages of total people playing. No need to parrot my phrase to create an argument. It's a personal anecdote to support the fact that not everyone buys it just to play online, and the SP is vast enough that people can feel fulfilled and move on.

Nobody is arguing how big or successful the MP is, only that the single player aspect is huge, and worthy of buying the game with no intention of online play.
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Old Nov 4, 2019, 01:32 PM   #264
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I still play Online and it's still fun, especially with all my businesses running.

If a modder drops you cash, be prepared to get banned. I don't know when you last played, but Rockstar dropped a pretty hard hammer on modders and people using modded money. I should know, one of my characters got banned, just because I spent maybe a million or two from a "generous" modder.

Eventually I went legit and had to buy a new key. No more modding.

There's still Griefers, but it's fun to deal with them. As long as they're not modding, its just a battle of your wits against theirs. And if they mod, then its good to know a "good" modder to call for backup.




That being said I'm looking forward to RDR2 Online, after I finish with single player. I imagine the same community will migrate over, hopefully there will be no "menus" for RDR2 for people to exploit.
Last time I played was when the underground bunkers update dropped(which is probably a year+ ago) I have no interest in going back in.

You really shouldnt have to deal with combating hackers with other hackers That just says it all right there.

As much as R* cracks down they will never get everyone cause private for pay hacks will always be out there.

As I get older I have become less and less tolerant of assholes online. Its pretty much the reason I have almost stopped playing most multiplayer games. When I was younger I had all the time in the world time find new servers and just bounce around looking for a fun place to play. Now Im limited to a few hours here and there and I dont want to spend it hopping from server to server trying to avoid the assholes(hackers/modders/general assholes)

Thats the reason why a game like Diablo is more desirable for me these days. I can jump in and get right to the gameplay without any issues or people ruining my fun.

That said, R* is going to make a few more billion with RDR2 on PC. I will get it again at some point to replay single player on PC with silky smooth frames but I wont touch online.
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You get worked up far too easily, relax. I never made a blanket statement. I simply said nobody I know plays online, that doesn't automatically translate to "most", or "all", or however it was translated in your head. It only referred to my friends, they don't play online...it's a fact. But that has nothing to do with percentages of total people playing. No need to parrot my phrase to create an argument. It's a personal anecdote to support the fact that not everyone buys it just to play online, and the SP is vast enough that people can feel fulfilled and move on.

Nobody is arguing how big or successful the MP is, only that the single player aspect is huge, and worthy of buying the game with no intention of online play.
Well I was just saying its pretty common now for people to buy GTAV just for the Online portion, it's the dominant stream of revenue for Rockstar for quite a few years now. Of course, it wasn't that way when GTAV first came out, people wanted that single player experience.

Same will be true for RDR2. Single player fun at first, then Rockstar wants you to play Online. You don't have to of course, but it looks like they're already throwing in a bunch of perks for Red Dead Online PC to get you started. I'm willing to bet there won't be any single player DLCs for RDR2, just like there wasn't for GTA5. Which is saddening, because I enjoy a good single player game more than multiplayer.
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Well I was just saying its pretty common now for people to buy GTAV just for the Online portion, it's the dominant stream of revenue for Rockstar for quite a few years now. Of course, it wasn't that way when GTAV first came out, people wanted that single player experience.

Same will be true for RDR2. Single player fun at first, then Rockstar wants you to play Online. You don't have to of course, but it looks like they're already throwing in a bunch of perks for Red Dead Online PC to get you started. I'm willing to bet there won't be any single player DLCs for RDR2, just like there wasn't for GTA5. Which is saddening, because I enjoy a good single player game more than multiplayer.
Point is you were suggesting noone in their right mind would pirate RDR2 because it has online features which is kind of ridiculous.
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Last time I played was when the underground bunkers update dropped(which is probably a year+ ago) I have no interest in going back in.

You really shouldnt have to deal with combating hackers with other hackers That just says it all right there.

As much as R* cracks down they will never get everyone cause private for pay hacks will always be out there.

As I get older I have become less and less tolerant of assholes online. Its pretty much the reason I have almost stopped playing most multiplayer games. When I was younger I had all the time in the world time find new servers and just bounce around looking for a fun place to play. Now Im limited to a few hours here and there and I dont want to spend it hopping from server to server trying to avoid the assholes(hackers/modders/general assholes)

Thats the reason why a game like Diablo is more desirable for me these days. I can jump in and get right to the gameplay without any issues or people ruining my fun.

That said, R* is going to make a few more billion with RDR2 on PC. I will get it again at some point to replay single player on PC with silky smooth frames but I wont touch online.
I agree with everything you said, and don't blame you for hating Online. Generally the lobbies are more serene than it was last year, but there are still asshat griefing modders lurking. They're just not as bold as they used to be since Rockstar implemented new detection methods.
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Point is you were suggesting noone in their right mind would pirate RDR2 because it has online features which is kind of ridiculous.
That's not what I said I said you can't pirate Online. Which means if you want to play online, you cannot pirate the game. Unlike other cracked games where you can pirate the game and play on pirate servers, there are no "pirate" servers for GTAV/RDR2.
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I'm willing to bet there won't be any single player DLCs for RDR2, just like there wasn't for GTA5. Which is saddening, because I enjoy a good single player game more than multiplayer.
Eh, no big deal for that game. It's absolutely massive as it stands. While it would be neat to have expansions for more...it certainly isn't lacking as is.
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New day-0 driver from nvidia dropped for this game. Also according to an article, there are 40 different gpu settings to tinker with to fine-tune performance. Its official now too that a single 2080ti cannot run this at 4k, 60fps with all settings maxed. Gamed releases on november 5th at 8am est.
Wow....I'm hoping for 1440p 60fps with close to max settings like I can for GTA5 on my 1070, since my PC slightly exceeds the recommended specs.

And if I install this driver I break GTA5 (the release notes still list it as an issue).
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