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Old Jun 29, 2020, 08:58 AM   #1
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This is not news, but a confirmation from a reputable source. We have already covered Cezanne and other AMD APUs in an article last month. AMD Cezanne is expected to launch under Ryzen 5000G, H, and U series next year. This is a successor to Renoir, which took the mobile market by surprise.
APUs: Renoir -> Cezanne -> Rembrandt?

It is now exclusively reported by Igor Wallossek, that Cezanne silicon is still in an A0 stepping, which means an early stage of development. On the other hand, Vermeer (Ryzen 4000 desktop) is already on B0 stepping, which is more or less the final state and the processors should be ready for mass production.

AMD Cezanne is now confirmed by Igor to feature Vega graphics, likely to be the final refresh of the Vega graphics we have already seen in Picasso APUs, later refreshed for Renoir silicon.

The company is also expected to unveil its Van Gogh silicon for low-power APUs, likely to be a successor just released Dali APUs under Athlon 3000U series. However, unlike Cezanne, Van Gogh is expected to feature RDNA-based GPU cores. At the same time, the low power APUs are rumored to carry Zen2 cores, so it’s one step further and one step backward.

Things are about to change with Rembrandt’s arrival. This is the successor to Cezanne, but not only featuring newer Zen3 cores but also RDNA-based integrated graphics. Combining the best of both CPU and GPU worlds.
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CPUs: Matisse -> Vermeer -> Warhol -> Raphael?

It is still not quite clear what will happen after Vermeer, the next-generation Ryzen 4000 mainstream desktop series. We have already had a leak mentioning Warhol and Raphael, but it was not official or reported by other reputable sources to really take it seriously.

Next year AMD will be shifting to a newer socket, so Warhol could be an interim series while we make the transition. Warhol is also rumored to be Zen3 still, but probably a refreshed design known as Zen3+.

Meanwhile, its successor is currently expected to be Raphael, would bring Zen4 cores to the market, this is the true upgrade for Ryzen family, as it should feature 5nm core design and support for DDR5 memory.
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Nice! Hopefully my board will support the Zen4 architecture and I'll move to a Ryzen 6000 in a couple years.
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Nice! Hopefully my board will support the Zen4 architecture and I'll move to a Ryzen 6000 in a couple years.
The transition from DDR4 to DDR5 will necessitate a new mobo.
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Interesting tweet here saying asus ch6 will get ryzen 4k support:

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Hes the guy who wrote drma calculator. Does asus ch6 have 32 meg bios chip?
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Interesting tweet here saying asus ch6 will get ryzen 4k support:

https://twitter.com/1usmus/status/1262983408306790401




Hes the guy who wrote drma calculator. Does asus ch6 have 32 meg bios chip?
I really hope it is true. The truth is there's not that much difference between X370 and X470 so it should be do-able. If I did not have to pull my CH6 to upgrade that would be a huge boon.
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Man... I think this might end up being the only time I've skipped an entire generation of memory for my desktop . Assuming I don't cave and buy into the last AM3 generation of Ryzen before the end of the year.
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You won't see 5 GHz on all 12 cores with amd anytime soon, 4900X will be 4.5 GHz max if I have to guess, a bit more if you're lucky and have great cooler.
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Given that both Ryzen and Rocketlake will have decent IPC gains, I'm fairly confident RKL will be significantly faster for gaming much like current gen. Pretty sure 5.3 all core (or higher) will be achievable on RKL where as OC is rather limited with AMD.

That said, 4900X will clearly be the better buy. 12 vs 8 cores is a hard sell for Intel.. Have had my 10700k as place holder for 4 months now, certain I'd be dropping RKL into this board, but the value just isn't there..

I must be getting old, I've gone from planning an RTX 3090 + RKL build to most likely a far more sensible RTX 3080 + 4900X machine. Sure it's not as fast, both CPU and GPU, but they are incredibly smarter options.
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That was obvious as many expected amd to launch both navi2 and zen3 at the same time.

One big superlaunch.
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Interested to see if its going to be worth popping in a new processor come November as well from my 3700X.
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yeah if AMD really brought up single threaded performance and IPC like rumors have been saying I may have to look at upgrading my 3900x even.
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Interested to see if its going to be worth popping in a new processor come November as well from my 3700X.
Doubtful, 3700x is a great CPU.
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Given that both Ryzen and Rocketlake will have decent IPC gains, I'm fairly confident RKL will be significantly faster for gaming much like current gen. Pretty sure 5.3 all core (or higher) will be achievable on RKL where as OC is rather limited with AMD.

That said, 4900X will clearly be the better buy. 12 vs 8 cores is a hard sell for Intel.. Have had my 10700k as place holder for 4 months now, certain I'd be dropping RKL into this board, but the value just isn't there..

I must be getting old, I've gone from planning an RTX 3090 + RKL build to most likely a far more sensible RTX 3080 + 4900X machine. Sure it's not as fast, both CPU and GPU, but they are incredibly smarter options.
The price delta between those 2 options is equal to at least 1 new console purchase and quite possibly 1.5 new consoles. So yes I may end up sticking with a 4900X + RTX 3080 as well.
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I likely won't feel a need to upgrade to 4000 series when they release, but still good to know i have an upgrade path in the future. Maybe in a year or so if i can find a good deal on a used one I'll do it.

I lived with a Sandy Bridge proc for nearly 10 years. Generally i don't need to upgrade the CPU often.
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Where are the x670 boards? Has it been scrapped?
For now no x670. Most likely for Zen 4.
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Did AMD troll us on the SOTTR bench? I get 143 FPS at high preset with SOTTR and doing not much of an overclock (4.8 and 2080 at Super speeds).

Meanwhile this chart shows the delta a good CPU and GPU can make to the bench.



The test setup is even better than mine and if AMD was using anything like a AMD 6000 series card in there 141 and 181 doesn't seem like much. What do you gays think? Btw TUP is using highest in game settings whereas, AMD ran high only.
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I'm upgrading from a 4790k... can't wait ! Hesitating between a 5800x and a 5900x. Gonna try and pair it with a 3070, or 3080. I game in 1080 144 Hz, but want to get a VR headset in the next year or so.

I was looking at the Be Quiet Dark Rock pro 4 for cooling but I'm wondering if most memory will fit with this

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Because there is no basis or reasoning to suggest it'll be worthwhile for gaming.



Both PS5 and XBox are now 8 core consoles. Those are systems are just now coming out, so I can't see anything beyond 8 core being that much better for the next 5+ years.



For a lot of people, video cards come and go annually or semi-annually. However, the CPU tends to stick around a long time. It's the one thing you want to get right the first time, as often everyone purchases a motherboard, memory, etc to go along with it.
I suppose. Like i mentioned the new consoles being 8 core makes for a good reason.

However we dont know yet how much that will be a factor in performance of 6 core processors in console ports on PC this gen yet. Other things like superior GPU performance of discrete graphics could make it moot. Or could just never even matter much at all.
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I dont know, I'm with GN, the 5800X doesn't offer anything over a 5600X right now for $150 for gaming. Even though I was on the 8 core bandwagon as well. I still think I would pick up the 5600X
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I think the problem with the 5800X is it's too expensive. If you need more cores for productivity it makes sense to simply go up to the 5900X as they priced it. The 3700X made sense from the standpoint that it was right between the 3600 and the 3900X, so if you spent a little more you got two more cores. Now you have to spend a huge amount more. Granted, the 5600X is basically as fast as a 3700X, but still that's not an improvement in core heavy workloads.

Regarding whether to upgrade or not, realistically if you've had an 8700K or above no upgrade has really made sense at all just for gaming (whether Intel 9000 series, or this). You're talking a very small gain in situations where you're not GPU limited. That's just how it goes. It's clear we're not going back to the 90s where we saw 20-50% gains every year. Bad in some ways, but good in other ways, like not having to constantly be upgrading to keep your performance up to par.
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I think the problem with the 5800X is it's too expensive.
My thoughts as well... I'm gonna go with a 5900X, coming up from a 4790, should be a very nice upgrade. Was planning to go with a 5800, for the price difference I'd rather have the 4 more cores.
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My thoughts as well... I'm gonna go with a 5900X, coming up from a 4790, should be a very nice upgrade. Was planning to go with a 5800, for the price difference I'd rather have the 4 more cores.

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I suppose. Like i mentioned the new consoles being 8 core makes for a good reason.

However we dont know yet how much that will be a factor in performance of 6 core processors in console ports on PC this gen yet. Other things like superior GPU performance of discrete graphics could make it moot. Or could just never even matter much at all.
Hardware Unboxed makes some good relevant points on this debate, starting at the 18:20 mark.

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If your main focus for your computer is gaming, then the 5600X should be your choice watching that video. Looks like it will not have an issue for years to come. Would even push the future GPU upgrade without issue.
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4 sticks perform 5-10% better than 2 sticks on Ryzen 5600X.
Good lord have you seen the cost involved for that if you want 8x4 PC4000 with lower timings?

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If your main focus for your computer is gaming, then the 5600X should be your choice watching that video.
I'm seriously considering picking one up and not looking back if I can find it in stock before a 5900x pops up. I check every day and today wasn't the day lol
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4 sticks perform 5-10% better than 2 sticks on Ryzen 5600X
There is much more to this than just 2 vs 4 sticks. It also depends on if your motherboard is daisy-chain or T-tapology for how it routes the tracers for the DRAM. 2 sticks of Dual Rank will be faster than 2 sticks of single rank (typically), but 4 sticks of single rank can be faster than 4 sticks of Dual rank if you have the right motherboard. It's not as simple as "2x sticks better than 4x sticks" unfortunately. Motherboard, ram, even the CPU memory controller can make one better than the other.
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