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Old Jun 16, 2009, 06:48 AM   #1
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I haven't paid attention to the stuff coming out for PC's probably since the 9800 pro. Yea that long. I don't even know what I have in my PC now but I can tell you it's garbage and it ain't what's in my sig as that stuff blew up on me a few months ago thanks to a power surge, it's just spare parts in there now. I'm looking to upgrade my video card/mobo/cpu/memory for games, but don't want to go extreme top end, something more in the mid range-high end (but again not extreme top end). I'd like to keep it to around $1000-$1500 canadian at the absolute most.

I plan to buy from ncix as they seem to be the best around and I've always bought from them. I just need suggestions. I'm not partial to one name over the other, just whatever is best be it ATI or Nvidia, or Intel or AMD. I also don't plan to do this upgrade for another month atleast, so if something better is coming out I will wait if need be. Just need suggestions/ideas.
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Old Jun 16, 2009, 09:25 AM   #2
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What res will you be playing at?

An Intel i7 with 6GB of RAM and a 4890 should do it.
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Old Jun 16, 2009, 09:34 AM   #3
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$1500CAD should get you a nice Intel Core i7 setup. If you're reusing your case, optical drives and hard drives, then a motherboard, cpu, memory, psu and graphics card will be what you need. Maybe an aftermarket cooler if you like to overclock. I say include PSU as you'll need one for newer/higher end configs.

So think a Core i7 920 (~$330CAD), an X58 motherboard($280-$350CAD), 3x2Gb DDR3-1333 ram kit (~$100CAD), a 750W nice PSU (e.g Corsair TX750, can be had for $120CAD), and a GTX275 (~$250) or HD4890 1Gb (~$250), and you'll be set. That'll run you $1000-$1200CAD, depending on the deals you find at newegg.ca/wherever you shop. Next step up on the graphics front would be a GTX285 (~$375CAD), then you get into the dual GPU single card solutions such as the 4870 X2 (~$430CAD) and the GTX295 (~$650 CAD).

Unless you're running 1080p or higher and want massive amounts of AA/AF you probably wont need anything more than a GTX285, but the best bang/buck is at the 4890/GTX275 level. The good thing about the X58 chipset motherboards is they all support crossfire, and most support SLI as well, so you can add in a second card later if you want to boost performance.

It also depends on the games you play, if you're a pure FPS gamer, never play RTS or do anything else on the computer (like media [trans/re]coding, [email protected], video editing or photo manipulation) then you could go for a lower budget AMD AM3 Phenom II processor and motherboard. This will still do all the above, but the Core i7 significantly outperforms Phenom II with multi-threaded apps/games/tasks etc.

For OS load up the free Windows 7 Release Candidate x64 and enjoy until March next year.
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If you have to spend $1000+, the i7 rig caveman mentioned would be great.

But as far as bang for your buck goes in terms of gaming performance, I'd go the phenom 2 route. Phenom 2 x4 920 ~$160 USD,
motherboard could be anywhere from $60-125 for a decent one,
4 gigs of ddr2 $40-50,
OCZ 700W psu ~$80
gtx260 or hd4870, they're pretty close in price $140-150 (just got my 4870 for $120ish)
1TB Western Digital hd ~$100
Some dvd burner combo for $20
Case, whatever you want.

I can be more specific if you'd like, but I just wanted to provide the cheaper option that fits the mid-high end imo.
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$1500CAD should get you a nice Intel Core i7 setup. If you're reusing your case, optical drives and hard drives, then a motherboard, cpu, memory, psu and graphics card will be what you need. Maybe an aftermarket cooler if you like to overclock. I say include PSU as you'll need one for newer/higher end configs.

So think a Core i7 920 (~$330CAD), an X58 motherboard($280-$350CAD), 3x2Gb DDR3-1333 ram kit (~$100CAD), a 750W nice PSU (e.g Corsair TX750, can be had for $120CAD), and a GTX275 (~$250) or HD4890 1Gb (~$250), and you'll be set. That'll run you $1000-$1200CAD, depending on the deals you find at newegg.ca/wherever you shop. Next step up on the graphics front would be a GTX285 (~$375CAD), then you get into the dual GPU single card solutions such as the 4870 X2 (~$430CAD) and the GTX295 (~$650 CAD).

Unless you're running 1080p or higher and want massive amounts of AA/AF you probably wont need anything more than a GTX285, but the best bang/buck is at the 4890/GTX275 level. The good thing about the X58 chipset motherboards is they all support crossfire, and most support SLI as well, so you can add in a second card later if you want to boost performance.

It also depends on the games you play, if you're a pure FPS gamer, never play RTS or do anything else on the computer (like media [trans/re]coding, [email protected], video editing or photo manipulation) then you could go for a lower budget AMD AM3 Phenom II processor and motherboard. This will still do all the above, but the Core i7 significantly outperforms Phenom II with multi-threaded apps/games/tasks etc.

For OS load up the free Windows 7 Release Candidate x64 and enjoy until March next year.
Thanks for the advice so far my res is 1680x1050. I will be playing games like Fallout 3 on it primarily. I'm going ahead with this so far....tell me what needs to be changed. I don't plan to overclock

ATI 4890...http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...1&promoid=1025
i7 920....http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=34598
Corsair TX 750W PSU....http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...5&promoid=1025
Corsair XMS TR3X 1600 DDR 3 3x2 GB memory....http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=34654 (it was a deal with the mobo despite it being 1600 memory so I took it for $109)
Asus P6T SE mobo....http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=38342

Costing me about $1285. How's it look? IIRC that mobo will support the i7 correctly. Let me know how it all looks. I don't plan to ever crossfire so I figure a 750 watt supply is enough. I'm also getting 2 SATA 2 500 gig drives from WD and a new case as I don't think my mini case will have enough room for cable management. Any suggestions people on a case to buy that isn't hideous?
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Good choices there. I like the Antec 300, and the P182b, but the latter might be very expensive. Also look at some of the coolermaster cases, can be quite good.
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Old Jun 17, 2009, 07:18 AM   #8
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you may want to look at http://www.canadacomputers.com for pricing as well. i've often found them to be competitive, or better than ncix, and they are a storefront making exchanges much easier...just a thought (for example they have the sapphire 4890 for $264.99).

i recently (a month ago) upgraded with the following:
phenom 2 810 (slight OC to 3 GHz)
gigabyte ma790xt-ud4p
8 gigs ddr3 (1333)
640 gig WD cav. black ed.
asus 4870 dark knight
antec solo case
antec earthwatts 650W psu

all this ran me just under $1100, tax included. my system runs all my apps beautifully, so it more than meets my needs (current needs anyway...who knows 2 months from now...lol). an i7 setup will run you a bit more (but not that much more), and will be a better performer. in any case, i just thought i would suggest an alternative to ncix pricing. best of luck!
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Old Jun 17, 2009, 03:51 PM   #9
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I checked canadacomputers out but it looks like it'll be a little cheaper overall going with ncix.

This is the final build of what I will be getting. Just a question of if I get it now or wait a few weeks.

XFX Radeon HD 4890 XT 1GB 875MHZ 1GB 3.9GHZ GDDR5 PCI-E 2XDVI HDTV Video Card
Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 140MM Fan
ASUS P6T SE X58 ATX LGA1366 DDR3 LGA1366 3PCI-E16 PCI-E1 2PCI CrossFire SATA2 Motherboard
Corsair XMS3 TR3X6G1600C9 6GB DDR3 3X2GB DDR3-1600 CL 9-9-9-24 Core i7 Memory Kit
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA2 3.5IN 8.5MS 7200RPM 16MB Hard Drive OEM *3YR MFR Warranty* (2 of these)
Intel Core i7 920 Quad Core Processor LGA1366 2.66GHZ Bloomfield 8MB LGA1366 4.8GT/S
Coolermaster CM 690 Mid Tower Black ATX Case 5X5.25 5X3.5INT No PS Front USB Sound Firewire & eSATA
Arctic Silver 5 HIGH-DENSITY Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound 3.5 Gram
LG GH22NS30 Black DVD+RW 22X8X16 DVD-RW 22X6X16 DL 16X/12X 2MB SATA OEM
ASUS Xonar DX 7.1 Channel PCI-E Sound Card 24BIT Dolby Digital 116DB SNR W/ Low Profile Bracket
Yate Loon D12SL-12C 120MMX20MM Quiet Cooling Fan 1300RPM 44CFM 21DB 3PIN & 4PIN Sleeve Bearing OEM (5 of these)

Total is $1734 with taxes and shipping. A bit over budget but I will probably review my list and may take a few things off to bring the price back down. I also may end up waiting a few months before buying. But it's a good idea of where the cost of things are right now.
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Solid choices. If you wait there are supposed to be price cuts on the 4800 series in July.
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Wow! Sweet selections! Gonna be a screaming fast machine for sure
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Is that Seagate a single-platter drive? Even if it is, I still think I'd prefer the WD 640GB Black.

Also, I use a Cooler Master 690, and you're gonna want 140mm fans for the top and bottom, they are a bit quieter than the 120mm. I'm using the low-speed Yate Loons.
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Is that Seagate a single-platter drive? Even if it is, I still think I'd prefer the WD 640GB Black.

Also, I use a Cooler Master 690, and you're gonna want 140mm fans for the top and bottom, they are a bit quieter than the 120mm. I'm using the low-speed Yate Loons.
I'll second that vote for Yates. Great fans. I have one of their 120's on my TRUE cooling my Q6600 rig. Big thumbs up to the Caveman for that one
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The Seagate 7200.12 500Gb is indeed a single platter drive. I have one in my Family PC, it's great
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