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Old Feb 22, 2003, 01:08 AM   #1
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VIA/S3 have been very quiet lately regarding the Delta Chrome, and last week they withdrew their planned specs from most websites due to some improvements. I havnt heard anything specific though as to which modifications are planned.

My thought is that with Nvidia´s current situation in regard to 3dmark03 and the much discussed "8x1, 4x2 pipeline issue" doesnt look too bright. The 9700 has proven its worth and seems to give Nvidia more than a headache, however this would be an excellent opportunity for a company like Via to grab the outer lane and set for full throttle ahead.

If anyone can do it its VIA since they have everything they need in terms of ressources. The specifications for the Delta Chrome seemed very similar to the 9700 but at a much lower cost, it shouldnt be too much of hassle to gve it a little more time and come up with a tweaked version of their initial planned specs. WIth all the fuzz at the moment I believe this would be the right timing to introduce a new product to shake up things a bit more.

And the best of all ... cheaper cards for everyone.
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Old Feb 22, 2003, 01:30 AM   #2
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Good thing: cheaper stuff due to competition
Bad thing: VIA(crappy hardware) + S3(crappy drivers, if any at all) = crappy piece of garbage

As you can tell, I have little to no faith in VIA and any of their hardware so you can regard the top as mindless garbage if you want.

As for what their specs say, nothing's certain until the chip is actually made. Trident's XP chip had comparable specs to the DX8 cards and it ended up being a total piece of crap. Plus you couldn't find it anywhere since Trident ended up getting like two companies to make cards.

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Old Feb 22, 2003, 06:19 AM   #3
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I only have one problem ... 60 million transistors. You can't put a whole lot into that.
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Old Feb 22, 2003, 07:33 AM   #4
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ATI and NV better be watching VIA. It doesn't matter if the product's performance and drivers suck. It is all pricing the OEM's and that's where the really money is. If VIA wins the low and mid OEM designs ATI and NV won't survive.
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Old Feb 22, 2003, 07:39 AM   #5
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I only have one problem ... 60 million transistors. You can't put a whole lot into that.
On the contrary. A smarter design with no legacy stuff could easily provide a huge performance at a low cost. Just look at Kyro II's clever design. Imagine Kyro II with shaders and ~150MHz faster core. Performance doesn't get better just because you have more transistors...

Although I doubt Delta Chrome will be anything special, but we can always hope for it...

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Old Feb 22, 2003, 07:41 AM   #6
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On the contrary. A smarter design with no legacy stuff could easily provide a huge performance at a low cost. Just look at Kyro II's clever design. Imagine Kyro II with shaders and ~150MHz faster core. Performance doesn't get better just because you have more transistors...

Although I doubt Delta Chrome will be anything special, but we can always hope for it...
Thanks for the learning experience.

The Delta Chrome is slated for Q'3 of this year and should perform on par with a Radeon 9500 Pro or perhaps even the Radeon 9700. Think that half year ahead and you will realize the market have already moved on to the next grand thing. This will be an 'entry gaming chip' and not the wicked performer some make those 60 million transistors out to be. Believe me when I say that the transistor count will be like an 'achilles heel' for this chip.

Just a note on the Kyro design. It will only perform well at things with a lot of overdraw, other than that, I don't expect it to perform well. The key afterall is solid drivers, something ATi finally have reckoned. I do hope for a third competitor on the currently narrow market, which mainly is dominated by nVidia and ATi.
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Old Feb 22, 2003, 02:56 PM   #8
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LMFAO @ the garbage adding up and equaling more garbage with junk to carry over. VIA has a hole in the head... They won't be going anywhere with their delta chrome.

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Old Feb 22, 2003, 10:11 PM   #9
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Meh, it'll be nice to see something other than a S3 Savage on intergrated motherboards.
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Old Feb 22, 2003, 11:29 PM   #10
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alicey got a point there.
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Old Feb 23, 2003, 02:29 AM   #11
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I think SiS would be the guys to watch out for. Their products have only been getting better and better.
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Old Feb 23, 2003, 02:35 AM   #12
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Yeah right.... the SiS735 sucks d!ck...
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Old Feb 23, 2003, 03:50 AM   #13
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Since SIS seems to be on its upper curve now, perhaps XabreII can be something worthwhile- competition is always good!
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Old Feb 23, 2003, 05:37 AM   #14
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Xarbre 2 should compete against a 9700PRO or even a 9800PRO (But last one's highly optimistic)

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If drivers don't suck as with Xarbre they should be able to compete in the high-end market.
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Old Feb 23, 2003, 05:40 AM   #15
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How do they do it? =) I mean they have such bad gfx in the past. So now they just gonna pop up with another Radeon 9700 with no skills? lol
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And as for the Columbia, I think it won't suck. It will be mid-range in the desktop market (Anyway untill Q3 it sureley will even at 400 MHz, NV35 & R400 anyone? ), but it will own in the mobile & integrated markets.
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Old Feb 23, 2003, 05:42 AM   #17
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How do they do it? =) I mean they have such bad gfx in the past. So now they just gonna pop up with another Radeon 9700 with no skills? lol
If a company was once bad that doesn't mean it will always be bad.
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IMHO it really should compete against R300 & NV30

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Could be... but SiS been around for a long time, I've never heard anything good about them. Lets just see what they can do for us now. See how the Xabre performs.
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IMHO it really should compete against R300 & NV30

Please take it with a grain of salt, I would hardly call anything 'Enthusiast oriented' if it barely breached 8000+ 3dMarks as that picture says. I know that is for the Xabre600 but really, if they say that is for 'Enthusiasts' ... ah well.
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so am I right to say that the Xabre600's performance is somewhat on par with the Radeon 8500?
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so am I right to say that the Xabre600's performance is somewhat on par with the Radeon 8500?
Since we do not know the system specifications in which they managed the 8000+ 3dMark score it is hardly conclusive.
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