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Old Jun 16, 2003, 09:16 PM   #1
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Default I predict Half Life 2, Halo PC and Halo 2 will outsell DooM III poor Carmack

Poor idiot, he thought no one on this Earth could make a better videogame 3d engine than him.

Ha ha ha ha ha.

I bet he will turn Quake IV into the "next giant leap" in videogaming.

poor Carmack, I bet he'll call up Romero and beg forgiveness to hire him back to make DooM IV
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never call john carmack an idiot. you can call yourself an idiot for setting false statement on john carmack. he doesn't say no one could make a better engine than him.

unless you have a proof on him saying that.
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never call john carmack an idiot. you can call yourself an idiot for setting false statement on john carmack. he doesn't say no one could make a better engine than him.

unless there's a proof.
he is, I don't give a rats ass about his engine any more everyone else is catching up and is gonna pass in the fast lane soon, those games will sell out DOOM III I bet
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Halo PC will suck, if indeed they cut down on the fat from the xbox version. if anything, it should look better cos its been a year. but we all know that aint happening.
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well, i for one plan on buying HL2, but i am undecided about Doom 3
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I'm gonna get every nice and pretty game I can get my hands on.

Including Doom III.

All of you know that once you see the game on the shelf.. you wont be able to resist.

The game has too much history, too much hype to just leave it sitting there on the store shelf.. calling your name. Begging you to pick it up, and look at the pictures on the back.

And once you see those nice, pretty, perfectly rendered pictures you will be unable to resist the temptation to bring it to the checkout counter (please no talks of pirating in contrast to this statement, typlz).

You will bring it home, and you will install it.

It will take half an hour to install, because nowadays a game that is less then 3 Gigs isn't worth it's weight in salt (or so the developers obviously think), and you will play it.

You will be amazed and awed at the nice and pretty lighting and shadows. You will enjoy the nostalgia, of the originial DOOM MIDI files being played in the background (now that Trent Reznor is out of the picture).

And an hour later, you will quit to desktop and think.. "Why is this taking four and a half gigs on my hard drive?" And you will uninstall it.

And then you will come to the Rage 3D PC Gaming Forum, and cry and moan about how much the game sucked, much like most of you did with Unreal 2.

How bout that, lamers?
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Old Jun 16, 2003, 10:31 PM   #7
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John Carmack is definatly not an idiot. He almost single handedly creates the best graphics engines in the world. The man is a programming genius. I don't think id tries to create the best "game" but rather the best "engine." They make all of their money on licensing their technology long after the game they created it for has shipped. That said I don't think Doom III will be as good as HL2 gameplay wise and it probably won't sell as many copies.

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Old Jun 16, 2003, 10:34 PM   #8
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Hello Synthesis.

Welcome to the Rage3D forums!

You picked a heck of a topic to make your first post on

Be sure to read my witty banter in the post above yours, as you may have missed it due to me submitting it whilst you were typing.

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Heh, sounds about right. I don't care, I will get it anyway.
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Just curious: is Carmack actually the lead designer for Doom 3 or just the lead programmer?
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im gonna buy them all, but im more excited about HL2. but you know what, he could care less if im 'less excited' about doom3 as long as i bought it.
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Just curious: is Carmack actually the lead designer for Doom 3 or just the lead programmer?
Yes.

(I don't really know.. but his name comes up everywhere, so I guess he's the 'Derek Smart' of Doom 3)
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Yes.

(I don't really know.. but his name comes up everywhere, so I guess he's the 'Derek Smart' of Doom 3)
Hmm. . . Somehow I doubt that. Carmack isn't nearly that arrogant and/or antagonistic, anyway.

I just found my Doom 2 manual, though, and in that game he was one of the "software engineers" (aka engine designer/programmer). The designers were Sandy Petersen, Shawn Green, and American McGee.

Looks like Carmack's influence on gameplay design extends only as far as what he makes the engine capable of. Thus, the "game" part of Doom 3 is likely in other hands.
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pretty sure carmack is the lead programmer, and tim willits is the lead designer...
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pretty sure carmack is the lead programmer, and tim willits is the lead designer...
Ah. . . So why does everyone ***** about Carmack making Doom 3 a good engine without a good game attached to it?
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Who cares if Doom3 doesn't sell.. Carmack is no idiot. He just likes to push the limits of hardware and he programs damn well. Plus he is also some type of rocket scientist. So calling him an idiot.. would make everyone in the entire world look like retards on crack.
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pretty sure carmack is the lead programmer, and tim willits is the lead designer...
it annoys me when people bash Carmack and think they geniuses because of it.

Carmack is the only programmer actually, everyone else is in marketing, graphic design, R&D etc. he said something in a Q&A once about how he feels better when there is programmer working towards a set goal indstead of a team working towards a general goal...something like that

either way, i have the Doom3 alpha and it's awesome even in it's infancy it manages to scare and amaze me ... will it be the "best" game when it comes out? honestly i don't know. either way, i'll be getting both HL2 and Doom3

Carmack's goal is not just to make a game, but to create an engine upon which the greatest games that we will be seeing for the next few years will utilize. doom3 is just a way of introducing this engine to the public.
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I'm gonna get every nice and pretty game I can get my hands on.

Including Doom III.

All of you know that once you see the game on the shelf.. you wont be able to resist.

The game has too much history, too much hype to just leave it sitting there on the store shelf.. calling your name. Begging you to pick it up, and look at the pictures on the back.

And once you see those nice, pretty, perfectly rendered pictures you will be unable to resist the temptation to bring it to the checkout counter (please no talks of pirating in contrast to this statement, typlz).

You will bring it home, and you will install it.

It will take half an hour to install, because nowadays a game that is less then 3 Gigs isn't worth it's weight in salt (or so the developers obviously think), and you will play it.

You will be amazed and awed at the nice and pretty lighting and shadows. You will enjoy the nostalgia, of the originial DOOM MIDI files being played in the background (now that Trent Reznor is out of the picture).

And an hour later, you will quit to desktop and think.. "Why is this taking four and a half gigs on my hard drive?" And you will uninstall it.

And then you will come to the Rage 3D PC Gaming Forum, and cry and moan about how much the game sucked, much like most of you did with Unreal 2.

How bout that, lamers?
Very true but let me add that since its common knowledge that Nvidia is sponsoring DooM III and John Carmack himself has admitted to be developing DooM III using Nvidia hardware and driver extensions that there is a 99.9% chance we will see the "Nvidia The way its meant to be played" logo every time we start the game of DooM III and the frustration non-Nvidia card owners will feel when repeatedly seeing this logo.

Hype will make many buy DooM III, hype will make many say that its a great game and engine, hype will influence the hardware you buy.

Take Chaser for a moment, its not a great game but it looks good, the developer is using their own 3d engine and they are also supporting Matrox's Parhelia for 3 monitor surround gameplay.

Yet I was doing some research and BF 1942's latest patch makes support for Matrox's Parhelia Surround feature null and void. EA is the publisher of BF1942 and this game worked fine for Parhelia users, EA is also partnered with Nvidia's "TWIMTBP" program, do any of you see whats going on here.

This is Rage3d, an ATI user site and its obvious Matrox is not ATI, its also obvious that Matrox's Parhelia had its problems but it is still a 3d card with ATI R200 or Nvidia Nv20 level power that was crippled due to low clock speeds, but its still usefull as a 3d gaming card. Also ignoring Matrox by cutting support for them will hurt this industry's possible future contender and this will affect all of us because ATI and Nvidia will just be into themselves and prices will stay sky high. I am hoping Matrox gets another chance cause god knows this industry needs them right now.

There are alot of new game developers making their very own 3d engines because they know that its better to earn your own money by making your own engine than to pay and rely on one man who thinks he is a god just because he says so.

Face it, John Carmack is obsolete, he is too full of himself, the gaming media that continue to hype him for free are actually killing the 3d PC gaming industry by hyping only one company's engine.

Yes the independent 3d engine makers have a high chance of turning out mediocre games but you know what, at least they made their own bed and they get to lie in it and not get buried by owing some one else.
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Are you still sore about the "benchmark" NVidia released?
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dood Carmack brought his pc on his honeymoon to code!
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dood Carmack brought his pc on his honeymoon to code!
To break the code to his wife's chastity belt.

She is now using a 1024 bit encryption code. He never gets any.
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Why are people hating on Carmack and DoomIII?

So what if Half-Life2 turns out to be a better game.. you play it for 3 days and it's over. Then you go buy a copy of DoomIII and it's done in a couple days.

The games aren't coming out the same week or month so there is no conflict of interest.

You're allowed to own more than one game people!

Other people won't buy DoomIII because they think id is in bed with Nvidia, wow, so is every other developer so stfu!
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calling doom 3 doom 3 is wrong. It seems more like a first person Resident Evil. Hmm, lets see we can have fat zombies like resident evil OR green haired zombies with guns and tomatoe *****es....


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What, did the developers of RE copyright the use of fat zombies in games or something? Is fat zombies somehow the trademark of RE? Give it a rest. . . If you're gonna call Doom 3 a rip-off of RE you'd have to say that RE is a rip-off of the Evil Dead movies.

Evil Dead is Evil Dead.

Resident Evil is Resident Evil.

Doom 3 is Doom 3.
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Why are people hating on Carmack and DoomIII?

So what if Half-Life2 turns out to be a better game.. you play it for 3 days and it's over. Then you go buy a copy of DoomIII and it's done in a couple days.

The games aren't coming out the same week or month so there is no conflict of interest.

You're allowed to own more than one game people!

Other people won't buy DoomIII because they think id is in bed with Nvidia, wow, so is every other developer so stfu!
Yea right... u play the mp for 3 day's ? yea maybe doom III , wich ill prolly never even try. but i can asure u HL2 will last longer then 3 days.

And yea i can agree that the hating is kind of retarded. then again i can see the hype is also kind of overdone.

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Poor idiot, he thought no one on this Earth could make a better videogame 3d engine than him.

Ha ha ha ha ha.

I bet he will turn Quake IV into the "next giant leap" in videogaming.

poor Carmack, I bet he'll call up Romero and beg forgiveness to hire him back to make DooM IV
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Who ever said that about D3 needs their head examined, D3 graphics is are revolutionary. HL2 graphics are evlotionary,

EVERY ID game has been exceptional and great fun to play.

So come the end of the year and you wanna buy a game, will it be the Doom3 that everyone wanted to snub out just for the sake of snubbing out soley because you had your head up your ass around the time of the announcement of HL2?

Or will curiosity get the better of you when you remember that NO OTHER game on the market (at that time) will game better graphics? espcially when that shinny new 9700/9800pro hasnt been really put to the test yet.

methinks the later....

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Does he really think that Halo will outsell Doom ]|[?

I doubt it, and if it did it would be because of the tough hardware requirements to see the game in its full glory (a Radeon 9500 or better).

I'm not an iD fan myself, but I don't see why people should knock a guy all the time just because he's the most famous gaming coder in the world (petty jealousy?). I'll still buy Doom ]|[ though - I played Doom at Uni when it was released so it'll be good to see how the series continues.
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Does he really think that Halo will outsell Doom ]|[?
I think it already has..

I really think all you guys are up to a rude awakening when you play Doom3. It won't live up to the hype. It's graphics are really not that impressive in comparison to some other graphically intense titles (some UT2003 maps more or less resemble the Doom3 seen in the demo move and screen shots). And I really have doubts the game play itself will be worth its salt.

Yes, Doom3 is designed to be graphically impressive, not to be a fun and innovative game. Therein is the problem.

I'm pretty sure that HL2 may end up disappointing many as well. Not necessarily because it will be bad, but when anything has that much hype attached, it's almost guaranteed to fall short.

Also, when taking the time to replay the original HL, I'm starting to wonder how the game ended up being so badly overrated. Granted: it's a major step up from Quake 2 but the gameplay has nothing on Deus Ex or System Shock 2. It's really just the same old run and gun format, with you having no clue what's going on most of the time. You rarely talk to people, and when you do it's just a generic scientist or bodyguard.

HL doesn't really have the unique character interaction of Deus Ex, and neither does it have the intense atmosphere and open level design of System Shock. I'm not sure that makes it a bad game, but it's not half as revolutionary as people make it out to be. After all the hype the original has now received, it's really a letdown to replay it.

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I'm not an iD fan myself, but I don't see why people should knock a guy all the time just because he's the most famous gaming coder in the world (petty jealousy?). I'll still buy Doom ]|[ though - I played Doom at Uni when it was released so it'll be good to see how the series continues.
I knock Britney Spears too. Why? Because there are so many more talented artists out there who don't make half as much money or gain half as much notoriety.

It's not that Carmack is bad, but he shouldn't be the most famous game developer-- not when you have guys like Warren Specter out there.

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