Announcemnt, & Talking about, FSR Thread

**Gandalfthewhite** · Jun 1, 2021, 12:00 AM

AMD dropping the hammer with support for everything back to rx500 series to now and AND Nvidia 1xxx series to now. As well as consoles this is big news. 10 developers / engines on board right now with more to come.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-fide...d-geforce-gpus

O.D. · Jun 1, 2021, 02:20 AM

Those are very impressive numbers they are marketing.

I hope it is true..... does anyone think it will be that close?

I would assume the example they give (God fall) is their best one, anyone have ideas or thoughts on what will be the average increase?

I am not familiar enough with DLSS numbers, how do these numbers compare?

In terms of image quality, the link also claims 'almost identical' image to the native 4k one (i assume at the ultra setting.... not sure on the other options). Is that similar for DLSS?

on a scale of 1 to 10 how true do you feel this announcement is?

**Trunks0** · Jun 1, 2021, 03:39 AM

I remain skeptical. But the wide support going way back is uber sweet.

Hardwood · Jun 1, 2021, 07:28 AM

Just to get this straight. This is to be baked into games and will not be a "Radeon Settings" option.. right?

**acroig** · Jun 1, 2021, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gandalfthewhite

AMD dropping the hammer with support for everything back to rx500 series to now and AND Nvidia 1xxx series to now. As well as consoles this is big news. 10 developers / engines on board right now with more to come.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-fide...d-geforce-gpus

This is awesome news, TY.

Sabadin · Jun 1, 2021, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardwood

Just to get this straight. This is to be baked into games and will not be a "Radeon Settings" option.. right?

I haven't read anything yet on where the control over the quality settings will be located, but given that it supports GTX and RTX cards it's a safe bet it won't be a "Radeon Settings" option.

**Exposed** · Jun 1, 2021, 08:16 AM

HU seems a bit sceptical if it will actually be competitive to DLSS 2.0

So far, from AMDs own slide, looks more like DLSS 1.0.

It's welcome especially to non RTX owners, but a software scalar likely won't ever give the same kind of qualitive output as an AI trained hardware scalar can do.

**acroig** · Jun 1, 2021, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exposed

It's welcome especially to non RTX owners, but a software scalar likely won't ever give the same kind of qualitive output as an AI trained hardware scalar can do.

Yeah but at this point it makes RT feasible on Radeon cards without the huge FPS hit.

SIrPauly · Jun 1, 2021, 09:53 AM

Very smart showcasing on a Gtx 1060.

**Gandalfthewhite** · Jun 1, 2021, 11:06 AM

From what people are saying via leaks it's in-between dlss 1 and dlss 2 but way easier to implement and with such broad support seems like it will be a way easier sell for implementation.

I view it as the new freesync vs gysnc and we all see how that went.

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Nunz · Jun 1, 2021, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gandalfthewhite

F.
I view it as the new freesync vs gysnc and we all see how that went.

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How has that gone? GSync hardware modules are still superior to FreeSync and monitors with those modules still sell extremely well with a price mark-up.

**Gandalfthewhite** · Jun 1, 2021, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nunz

How has that gone? GSync hardware modules are still superior to FreeSync and monitors with those modules still sell extremely well with a price mark-up.

Given at this time there are around 91 actual gsync monitors vs the hundreds of freesync monitors and that Nvidia has had to target marketing at gsync compatible to actually be relevant. And that now with HDMI 2.1 starting to pick up steam pushing it further out of that market . Sure it may be the " better" solution but it lost the war.

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Mangler · Jun 1, 2021, 11:52 AM

Many of those hundreds of monitors are literally trash though.

Freesync premium/premium pro monitors are fine, but anything predating that isn't even remotely comparable to gsync monitors in terms of quality standards.

**Trunks0** · Jun 1, 2021, 12:02 PM

Drop the analogy and if you want to have a feesync/gsync debate, create a new thread please.

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Hapatingjaky · Jun 1, 2021, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trunks0

Drop the analogy and if you want to have a feesync/gsync debate, create a new thread please.

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What about Vsync, Adaptive Sync?

**Trunks0** · Jun 1, 2021, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hapatingjaky

What about Vsync, Adaptive Sync?

**Gandalfthewhite** · Jun 1, 2021, 02:10 PM

anyway the other news going around is that it looks better than TAA performs better than TAA and is easier to implement than dlss and works on the last 5 years of GPUs from AMD and Nvidia if they decide to use it. AND supports both PS5 and Xbox series S/X.

I have a feeling the new UE5 Temporal reconstruction stuff is actually based on or the foundation for FSR.

**Trunks0** · Jun 1, 2021, 02:25 PM

I'm pretty excited it works on GCN, because my R9 Fury is GCN and this could potentially help me wait out the current supply/demand and pricing issues with GPU's. Assuming it will work on my R9 Fury. At the moment, they just say as far back as RX500 series. But CGN never really changed much feature wise.... going to be interesting

*late edits!*
Oh and if it gets implemented on anything I play of course.

NIGELG · Jun 1, 2021, 07:38 PM

Bring it on, AMD.

And it's not proprietary.Good.

bill dennison · Jun 1, 2021, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIrPauly

Very smart showcasing on a Gtx 1060.

i think i can hear the grinding of the jacket's teeth from here

demo · Jun 2, 2021, 12:57 AM

Great news, at least we can compare it to DLSS if both are supported.

**Trunks0** · Jun 2, 2021, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dennison

i think i can hear the grinding of the jacket's teeth from here

Quote:

Originally Posted by demo

Great news, at least we can compare it to DLSS if both are supported.

If nVidia really wanted to... They can open DLSS up to work without the tensor cores... They choose not to.

Look no further than Control. The DLSS in that game launched with shader based DLSS and was later patched to DLSS 2.0 and switched to using the tensor cores.

demo · Jun 2, 2021, 01:49 AM

I was under the impression moving to tensor cores gave IQ and performance advantages under 2.0+, so I wouldn't consider that a negative.

**Trunks0** · Jun 2, 2021, 01:57 AM

It would still give a performance boost. The image quality would be the same, it just may not be as performant

demo · Jun 2, 2021, 02:01 AM

IQ advantages in the sense it can run more complex AI algorithms for better reconstruction - sure, at better performance.

**SirBaron** · Jun 2, 2021, 03:52 AM

Was expecting more, but it has terrible image quality from what they showed. It's just basic upacaling, hell those. On console side will be most. Disappointed they were hoping for a dlss to boost those performances.

However what they have now is already as good if not better.

At least 3D Cache on zen3+ looks good.

Hopefully AMD works on this more and put some actual money into a dlss competitor.

Nascar24 · Jun 2, 2021, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dennison

i think i can hear the grinding of the jacket's teeth from here

Stop it Billy, you dont like DLSS 2, how in the world would you like this?

bill dennison · Jun 2, 2021, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar24

Stop it Billy, you dont like DLSS 2, how in the world would you like this?

i don't and have said i think it is not good for 4k IQ AMD or NV

but i just love that AMD's works on more NV and older hardware ( Pascal maybe more ) than NVidia's own DLSS does

plus the game consoles

AMD will catch up to NV quickly in IQ and then NV's dlss will be dead because it only works on RTX cards

**acroig** · Jun 2, 2021, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dennison

AMD will catch up to NV quickly in IQ and then NV's dlss will be dead because it only works on RTX cards

Sad part is nV could expand DLSS to other gen cards using shader cores but......

Nunz · Jun 2, 2021, 11:44 AM

That’s a classic Bill opinion thinking AMD will equal NV’s DLSS “quickly” .. I don’t see that happening, at least for a while.

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Jun 1, 2021, 02:20 AM	#2
O.D. Radeon R600 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Beijing, China Posts: 651	Those are very impressive numbers they are marketing. I hope it is true..... does anyone think it will be that close? I would assume the example they give (God fall) is their best one, anyone have ideas or thoughts on what will be the average increase? I am not familiar enough with DLSS numbers, how do these numbers compare? In terms of image quality, the link also claims 'almost identical' image to the native 4k one (i assume at the ultra setting.... not sure on the other options). Is that similar for DLSS? on a scale of 1 to 10 how true do you feel this announcement is? __________________ O.D. I propose a toast....

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Exposed ESB Sports Bookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 7,245	HU seems a bit sceptical if it will actually be competitive to DLSS 2.0 So far, from AMDs own slide, looks more like DLSS 1.0. It's welcome especially to non RTX owners, but a software scalar likely won't ever give the same kind of qualitive output as an AI trained hardware scalar can do.

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SIrPauly Did someone say, RGSSAA? Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 17,110	Very smart showcasing on a Gtx 1060. __________________ *Really enjoy 3d gaming flexibility; a gamer's best friend!*

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Gandalfthewhite Hardware Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Middle Earth also known as AZ Posts: 9,611	From what people are saying via leaks it's in-between dlss 1 and dlss 2 but way easier to implement and with such broad support seems like it will be a way easier sell for implementation. I view it as the new freesync vs gysnc and we all see how that went. Sent from my GM1917 using Tapatalk __________________ Main rig: look at system spec tab Storage Server: Dual AMD Opteron 6120 CPUs, 64Gigs ECC Ram 50TB usable space across 3 zfs2 pools HOURGLASS = most appropriate named ICON/CURSOR in the Windows world :-) In a dank corner of ATI central, the carpet covered with corn flakes, the faint sound of clicking can be heard........Click......click, click............as the fate of the graphics world and the future of the human race hangs in the balance. I know....I know........Keep my day job :-)- catcather

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Gandalfthewhite Hardware Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Middle Earth also known as AZ Posts: 9,611	anyway the other news going around is that it looks better than TAA performs better than TAA and is easier to implement than dlss and works on the last 5 years of GPUs from AMD and Nvidia if they decide to use it. AND supports both PS5 and Xbox series S/X. I have a feeling the new UE5 Temporal reconstruction stuff is actually based on or the foundation for FSR. __________________ Main rig: look at system spec tab Storage Server: Dual AMD Opteron 6120 CPUs, 64Gigs ECC Ram 50TB usable space across 3 zfs2 pools HOURGLASS = most appropriate named ICON/CURSOR in the Windows world :-) In a dank corner of ATI central, the carpet covered with corn flakes, the faint sound of clicking can be heard........Click......click, click............as the fate of the graphics world and the future of the human race hangs in the balance. I know....I know........Keep my day job :-)- catcather

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demo space cadet Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 28,111	Great news, at least we can compare it to DLSS if both are supported. __________________ ____________________

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demo space cadet Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 28,111	I was under the impression moving to tensor cores gave IQ and performance advantages under 2.0+, so I wouldn't consider that a negative. __________________ ____________________

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demo space cadet Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 28,111	IQ advantages in the sense it can run more complex AI algorithms for better reconstruction - sure, at better performance. __________________ ____________________

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SirBaron Hallowed are the Clownies Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Niedersachsen Posts: 25,865	Was expecting more, but it has terrible image quality from what they showed. It's just basic upacaling, hell those. On console side will be most. Disappointed they were hoping for a dlss to boost those performances. However what they have now is already as good if not better. At least 3D Cache on zen3+ looks good. Hopefully AMD works on this more and put some actual money into a dlss competitor. __________________ Fantards the scourge of the universe:

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