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Old Nov 13, 2021, 03:30 AM   #271
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What’s with the 1% lows. I never had this problem on my 5900x/3090. Everything seems to be running fine.
In older terms, it just means the mins basically. Any modern CPU runs well enough, though. I was only saying the mins are great on this, which is when you most notice CPU limitations. Hence, upgrade is not a priority.

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Yes, better than 5600x. Thanks for the video.
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Old Nov 13, 2021, 06:06 AM   #272
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Can't decide what board for 12700kf. I want ddr4, Intel lan and sub 260$ only thing I'm seeing is MSI pro z690. Anything else?
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Gigabyte Aorus Elite (wouldn't touch Gigabyte mobos with a 10 foot pole tho)

The PRIME boards were pretty awesome budget boards on X299 - not sure how they fair on the mainstream platform. Might be worth checking out.
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Old Nov 13, 2021, 08:51 PM   #273
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My G.Skill RAM just committed suicide today - causing PC shutdown even at XMP w/ 1.55vDIMM.

Ugh .. might hop on the ADL train
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Old Nov 13, 2021, 09:05 PM   #274
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My G.Skill RAM just committed suicide today - causing PC shutdown even at XMP w/ 1.55vDIMM.

Ugh .. might hop on the ADL train
What is default voltage and what were you running when it died? Guessing you'll go with DDR5?
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Old Nov 13, 2021, 10:12 PM   #275
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It's a GSkill [email protected] 2x16GB kit. It's ran about two full years at 1.55v VDIMM @ 4266CL17 with very tight secondary and tertiary timings. I've learned everything I know about memory OCing on this kit. I'm assuming it was the voltage that killed it as the sticks run fairly cool, especially since it's a 4-slot mobo so they have space.

I ended up just ordering a set of GSkill Royal [email protected] 10-layer PCB, B-Die, and dual-rank. Not super happy about paying $289 for DDR4 this late in the game, but it'll hold me over until Intel releases the next-gen HEDT platform.

My chips IMC could technically still be the culprit, but I doubt it. I ran 1.18v VCCIO/SA the entire time. My chip is a mediocre clocker but a very strong IMC. We'll find out once I grab the new kit. This all started with a very random CPU Cache L0 Error in Hell Let Loose and some very random instability in Windows and other apps. I'm hoping it's just the RAM and the IMC is fine. If not, I'll probably not have a PC for a bit as I'm leaving for 3months at the end of this month. The PS5 will hold me over

Currently I can only run JEDEC 2133. If I run XMP even at 1.55v, my whole PC will shut down the second I start HCI MemTestPro
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Old Nov 13, 2021, 10:23 PM   #276
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1.55 is a shite ton of voltage. Not sure why your board didn’t fry itself either.
I know limits and stuff but really I think you were pushing the memory way too hard.

Hopefully the 4000 kit lasts.
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Old Nov 13, 2021, 10:28 PM   #277
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Lots of people run 1.55v. I think the difference is that I was using 1.55v on a budget set of GSkill RipJaws which are 8-layer PCB and not meant to daily that voltage. The GSkill Royals are 10-layer and handle 1.55v no problem - which is why they have tons of kits at 1.55v for XMP. The board is fine - The ACE is built for memory OCing and handles high voltage no problem. This is why you buy good components - funny enough, the RAM was probably the biggest budget piece I had aside from my NVME drive.

I enjoy finding the limits. Memory OCing is such a pain in the ass, but so rewarding. This kit sacrificed itself for the greater good .. maybe I can finally break 4400+ with this Royal kit. I will keep it at 1.48-1.5v max for 24/7, though. The other issue with 1.55v is, even with intake air blowing on them, is that they do generate decent heat. The Ripjaw heatsink is alright - hoping the Royal heatsink is better .. also hope they have temperature sensors as my RipJaws didn't.
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Old Nov 13, 2021, 10:37 PM   #278
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Good stuff. Keep us posted. Maybe next time I will also splurge for memory. With AMD I didn’t do it as I had a budget board and also I had thought if I get a good chip I may delve into a better kit. Glad I didn’t go all in since my CPU is a frickin’ dud.
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Old Nov 14, 2021, 01:14 PM   #281
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Old Nov 14, 2021, 02:09 PM   #282
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120 AIO? Uhh.. I highly suggest upgrading. That's a lot of wattage for very little thermal dissipation. If you can't fit a bigger AIO, then a Noctua D15 air-cooler would be a better choice.
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Is it going to be a lot worse than a 5800X? Just wanna game, not planning on crunching numbers 24/7.
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Is it going to be a lot worse than a 5800X? Just wanna game, not planning on crunching numbers 24/7.
Don’t think anything comes close to AMD thermals.
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Is it going to be a lot worse than a 5800X? Just wanna game, not planning on crunching numbers 24/7.
Might be OK for gaming .. I don't know anyone using a 12700K with a 120mm AIO.

ADL is very efficient in its power use in gaming, more so than Ryzen from what I've seen. They tend to suck up those big wattage numbers during encoding or workstation workloads.

Only one way to find out if it'll work or not.. send it
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Bought mine on release day. 12900K, Gigabyte Aorus Z690 Master, and 32GB DDR5 4800.
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That's the stuff. Why only 4800 ram though?
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Might be OK for gaming .. I don't know anyone using a 12700K with a 120mm AIO.

ADL is very efficient in its power use in gaming, more so than Ryzen from what I've seen. They tend to suck up those big wattage numbers during encoding or workstation workloads.

Only one way to find out if it'll work or not.. send it

C'mon Nunz buy an ADL platform for yourself.You want one so much...
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C'mon Nunz buy an ADL platform for yourself.You want one so much...
I want the HEDT platform. Not really interested in the gimped mainstream stuff anymore.
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Yep, going through that process now. I'll probably sell them for cheap on here if anyone is interesting. 3200CL15. I'll likely test them as well just to see what the replacement pair is capable of.
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Bought mine on release day. 12900K, Gigabyte Aorus Z690 Master, and 32GB DDR5 4800.
How do you like it? I take it the 4800 is just a place holder until something better is available.

How is cooling? And CPU-z bench?
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How do you like it? I take it the 4800 is just a place holder until something better is available.

How is cooling? And CPU-z bench?
That's all Micro Center had. Feel lucky enough to be able to buy any DDR5. There aren't any available right now. Bought two 16GB kits (4 x 8GB). Tweaked the primary and secondary timings. Will be getting 6000+ when available.



Running 5.2GHz all PCore and 5.3GHz on two PCore. 3.9GHz ECore and 3.7GHz L3/Uncore. Stable so far after running tests all day.

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3 quarters isn't too bad. Not sure I'll be able to wait that long, though.
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Grabbed a 12700K and ASUS Z690 TUF as a stop-gap until HEDT. New RAM did not fix my 10900K issues, so I'm RMAing the chip and the board. I'll sell them when I get back from deployment.

It was cheaper to buy a 12700K and TUF over a new 10900K and MSI Z490 ACE. Go figure. They had some ASUS Formula's there, but they have no DDR5 so that wouldn't have worked for me.

No high-end boards for DDR4 so grabbed the best I could at Microcenter. We'll see how it goes tonight .. hoping things line-up similarly so I don't have to drain my loop lol
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