Intel 12x00 series Alder lake

[demo]

Nice one nunz, I think the 12700k is the star of the line up anyway

[KAC]

Well that lasted 3 quarters of a day.

[acroig]

Can't wait for the benchies when you get back.

[Nascar24]

Doesn't it have the same game performance as the 12900 anyways for the most part?

[Nunz]

Originally Posted by Nascar24

Doesn't it have the same game performance as the 12900 anyways for the most part?

It's missing 4 E cores which I'm not really worried about.

The most important part is that you will not find good P cores on these chips - the 12900K gets all the best binned cores, for obvious reasons

[badsykes]

Originally Posted by Nunz

Grabbed a 12700K and ASUS Z690 TUF as a stop-gap until HEDT. New RAM did not fix my 10900K issues, so I'm RMAing the chip and the board. I'll sell them when I get back from deployment.

It was cheaper to buy a 12700K and TUF over a new 10900K and MSI Z490 ACE. Go figure. They had some ASUS Formula's there, but they have no DDR5 so that wouldn't have worked for me.

No high-end boards for DDR4 so grabbed the best I could at Microcenter. We'll see how it goes tonight .. hoping things line-up similarly so I don't have to drain my loop lol

[Nunz]

Had to drain the loop

These cheap boards suck. No POST code LED, no SP rating, no clear CMOS button .. ugh.

Good thing it's just a stop-gap ..

[acroig]

So you got a combo price deal?

[Nunz]

Originally Posted by acroig

So you got a combo price deal?

I paid $800 for

12700K
ASUS Z690 TUF PLUS WIFI
Samsung 980 Pro 500GB

Solid deal. Cost less than a new 10900K / MSI Z490 ACE to troubleshoot what was wrong with my Comet Lake rig. I believe the motherboard is bad, so RMAing that before I leave. Either the socket pins are not making good contact anymore or the DIMM slots are damaged in some way. Same exact setup and fan speeds and my memory is running 10-12c colder with the same voltage. I think the board was overvolting or sending bad/dirty voltage - I'll be able to confirm when I get back in a few months and slap the 10900K in there to test it before I sell the board/chip/RAM as a combo. Last time I go with a board from anyone but ASUS ..

I wish they had the STRIX-A DDR4 board .. like I said, these cheapo motherboards are garbage. I barely had enough fan connectors for my water-cooling stuff, had to grab some extensions, etc. I'm currently forced to share RPM speed of my D5 Pump with the rear exhaust fan - luckily my rear exhaust is a low RPM fan so even at 88% it runs at 1180rpm..

If anything, actually using one of these cheap boards just solidifies why I pay for the high-end boards.

So far, I've been working on memory OC stability. I've got 4000 15-15-15-32 Gear1 stable which is pretty awesome. I seem to have a good IMC on this chip, so I might have a good overclocker on my hands - it's a V batch (vietnam) and those typically have good silicon from what I've seen in the 12900K binning threads. I'm running my RAM at settings that other people need 1.38v SA for. I'm at 1.31v and I may be able to go lower, I just set it to 1.31 for testing purposes to make sure my IMC isn't causing test failures.

[acroig]

That "cheap board" is almost $300......

So you getting the AL set up before you leave?

[Nunz]

Originally Posted by acroig

That "cheap board" is almost $300......

So you getting the AL set up before you leave?

It's 2021 after COVID. $289 for a board is nothing

Yes, I'm typing this as it runs TestMem5.

It's a fun little toy to mess with for a few days before I pack it up for storage.

[KAC]

Post benches.

[Nunz]

Originally Posted by KAC

Post benches.

I haven't even OC'd the CPU yet. Just working on memory right now. It's an entirely new memory setup and ADL is similar to RKL. I never touched RKL so I have to learn a new platform essentially.

I've got the hang of it, or just about, so should have memory dialed in by end of tonight.

[Gregor976]

Congrats on the new hardware!

[badsykes]

Originally Posted by Nunz

Had to drain the loop

These cheap boards suck. No POST code LED, no SP rating, no clear CMOS button .. ugh.

Good thing it's just a stop-gap ..

Welcome to peasants club.
I am the expert in "cheap" boards so ask me
With ADL when paying 300$ and buying "cheap board" you know it's in a league of it's own ....

[fO Che -USA-]

Originally Posted by Nunz

I paid $800 for

12700K
ASUS Z690 TUF PLUS WIFI
Samsung 980 Pro 500GB

I think we have the same setup, is yours the TUF Gaming Z690-Plus WIFI D4?
Where do you see Gear 1 and 2?
When I look at CPU-Z I see swings from 500mhz to 4.7ghz is there a setting to stay more consistent?

Does intel have anything like Ryzen master?

Intel could definitely learn a thing or to from AMD when it comes to driver installers. Why don't they have a one package installer.

With the same cooler Alder Lake is idling 4 degrees colder than the 5800X.

[Seyiji]

Originally Posted by fO Che -USA-

I think we have the same setup, is yours the TUF Gaming Z690-Plus WIFI D4?
Where do you see Gear 1 and 2?
When I look at CPU-Z I see swings from 500mhz to 4.7ghz is there a setting to stay more consistent?

Does intel have anything like Ryzen master?

Intel could definitely learn a thing or to from AMD when it comes to driver installers. Why don't they have a one package installer.

With the same cooler Alder Lake is idling 4 degrees colder than the 5800X.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...intel-xtu.html

[Nunz]

Originally Posted by fO Che -USA-

I think we have the same setup, is yours the TUF Gaming Z690-Plus WIFI D4?
Where do you see Gear 1 and 2?
When I look at CPU-Z I see swings from 500mhz to 4.7ghz is there a setting to stay more consistent?

Does intel have anything like Ryzen master?

Intel could definitely learn a thing or to from AMD when it comes to driver installers. Why don't they have a one package installer.

With the same cooler Alder Lake is idling 4 degrees colder than the 5800X.

Yes, same motherboard. Not sure what you mean by installers - it's all done through Windows. No need for Ryzen Master either as everything can be read through HWINFO64. You don't want to edit values in Windows - that should all be done in the BIOS.

Gear 1 or Gear 2 is in relation to the memory controller. Basically, in Gear 1, that's the traditional way the controller speaks to the memory. In Gear 2, the controller and memory speak every OTHER cycle, which allows you to run higher frequencies - though there's going to be a latency penalty due to the longer time in between cycles.

Running Gear 1 is a form of overclocking and typically takes a lot of tweaking, even for XMP memory settings. If I were you, unless you want to go down that rabbit hole, leave it on Auto. I believe if your sticks are XMP below 3800, it automatically runs Gear 1, but I'm not sure if I'm remembering that correctly. I don't remember the name of the BIOS option right now but it's basically "controller ratio" or something like that. It's next to the DRAM Frequency selection.

Those frequency swings are the C-States kicking in. You can turn them off just in Windows by setting your power plan to High Performance. I would run balanced as you get low idle power draw and the chip runs cooler. The days of running a constant high frequency have pretty much died now.

Also, before you mess with anything, I highly, highly recommend flashing to a new BIOS. The BIOS the board came with was junk and missing a ton of options. This is the latest per Shamino, the ASUS BIOS creator who gives us the early releases.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/80r6syg2yy...-0002.rar?dl=0

If you're not comfortable flashing the BIOS, I would just enable your XMP profile and leave it stock.

[fO Che -USA-]

Originally Posted by Seyiji

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...intel-xtu.html

Thanks!

I just installed it on a fresh load of Windows 11 and it says I have another Performance tuning application running so it won't run. Intel's software and website is a mess. They don't even have the Z690 listed on their driver page. I also have these Serial IO drivers that are unsigned apparently.

[Nunz]

You can look at the ASUS support site if you want drivers - they're usually posted there.

[12Bass]

Originally Posted by Nunz

So far, I've been working on memory OC stability. I've got 4000 15-15-15-32 Gear1 stable which is pretty awesome. I seem to have a good IMC on this chip, so I might have a good overclocker on my hands - it's a V batch (vietnam) and those typically have good silicon from what I've seen in the 12900K binning threads. I'm running my RAM at settings that other people need 1.38v SA for. I'm at 1.31v and I may be able to go lower, I just set it to 1.31 for testing purposes to make sure my IMC isn't causing test failures.

FWIW, with my 8700K, XMP set VCCSA and VCCIO too high and I got more stable overclocks reducing them to stock levels, or just a little higher.

I'm curious to see some benchmarks with tweaked low latency, high speed DDR4 on Alder Lake. Most of the DDR4/DDR5 comparisons I've seen have used vanilla DDR4 3600 with XMP. Guessing that it would narrow the gap even further, perhaps even beating DDR5 in several applications, at least until we get higher rated DDR5....

[Nunz]

Tuned DDR4 is faster every time vs DDR5 4800 in real-world usage Anyone running Hynix DDR5 can easily OC and beat the best DDR4 on the market, though.

There are Samsung and Hynix chips in some of the DDR5 kits that are overclocking extremely well, especially Hynix.

There is no longer VCCIO with Alderlake. Now you have VDDQ and VCCSA as well as VDIMM. It's honestly a little less complicated since you don't necessarily HAVE to tune your RTL/IOL anymore to get decent results like you did with Comet Lake.

[Nagorak]

Originally Posted by Nunz

It's missing 4 E cores which I'm not really worried about.

The most important part is that you will not find good P cores on these chips - the 12900K gets all the best binned cores, for obvious reasons

Some of the 12700Ks could be 12900Ks with defective e-cores, although due to the size of the e-cores relative to the rest of the die that may not be all that common.

[badsykes]

There is a cashback campaign from Asus in my country.If you buy a ADL cpu + an ASUS board you get money back from Asus.The least amount of money you can receive is 55$.

[Nunz]

Originally Posted by badsykes

There is a cashback campaign from Asus in my country.If you buy a ADL cpu + an ASUS board you get money back from Asus.The least amount of money you can receive is 55$.

With the prices of boards this gen, they better be doing some cash-back

[badsykes]

Originally Posted by Nunz

With the prices of boards this gen, they better be doing some cash-back

For Asus z690 Extreme Glacial the cash-back is 300$

[Nunz]

Scores - will add as I continue going along here ..

5.1 P-Core / 3.7 E-Core / 3.6 Cache (testing vMIN for chip quality) - RAM set to XMP Gear1 for testing.

CB23: 24710 -

[acroig]

Originally Posted by Nunz

Scores - will add as I continue going along here ..

5.1 P-Core / 3.7 E-Core / 3.6 Cache (testing vMIN for chip quality) - RAM set to XMP Gear1 for testing.

CB23: 24710 -

You have a score for your tuned up 10900K?

Also, can we get some game benchies at 1080p?

[fO Che -USA-]

Originally Posted by Nunz

Scores - will add as I continue going along here ..

5.1 P-Core / 3.7 E-Core / 3.6 Cache (testing vMIN for chip quality) - RAM set to XMP Gear1 for testing.

CB23: 24710 -

Nice, I'm at 23100 stock. I can tell I'm not going to be at the top of this pile.

In Apex Legends The frames are honestly mostly the same as the 5800X the lows are lower but interestingly it feels easier hitting enemies, could be placebo. Though on human benchmark reaction time test it shaved some time not sure if that's possible but it's consistently faster.

[acroig]

Originally Posted by fO Che -USA-

Nice, I'm at 23100 stock. I can tell I'm not going to be at the top of this pile.

In Apex Legends The frames are honestly mostly the same as the 5800X the lows are lower but interestingly it feels easier hitting enemies, could be placebo. Though on human benchmark reaction time test it shaved some time not sure if that's possible but it's consistently faster.

Don't forget top update your system specs.