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Old Aug 17, 2003, 11:50 AM   #1
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Alright I was all set to buy an Amd 2700+ (If you guys remember my last thread...) Anyhow the place I wanted to order from is out of stock but they had a 2600+ (333fsb) available... so now I am wondering this: Should I A. Wait for the 2700+ to come back in stock or go somewhere else for it, B. Go With a 2600+, or even C. Go with a 2500+ Barton?

My reason is that the 2700 has a speed of 2.17Ghz while 2600+ has only 2.13Ghz which to me I don't think is gonna be a big difference. I know most of you out there swear by the 2500+ @ 1.83Ghz but to me thats a loss of about 300 mhz. And to me I use my rig for gaming rather than crunching numbers so I don't think the extra cache is gonna help at all. And I am planning to run them at stock speeds.

PLEASE REMEMBER I AM NOT OVERCLOCKING AT ALL BECAUSE MY MOBO IS CRAPPY AND I AM NOT BUYING ANOTHER BOARD... (gentle reminder from last time )
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Old Aug 17, 2003, 12:46 PM   #2
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I would go for the Barton 2500+ i have had a half a dozen or so go thru my hands and they have ALL clocked to XP3200+ and over speeds but overclocking aside it is an incredibly stable and fast chip
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Since u are not overcloking abvioulsy the faster is recommended but.. for the price 2700+ is not good enough. So i suggest u go with 2500+ barton as well(caz it costs really less). Also..if u had the money to buy a 2700+..i think that should be enough for u to buy a good mobo and a 2500+ barton(or even lower athlons). May be u should consider that.
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Old Aug 17, 2003, 01:18 PM   #4
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Since u are not overcloking abvioulsy the faster is recommended but.. for the price 2700+ is not good enough. So i suggest u go with 2500+ barton as well(caz it costs really less). Also..if u had the money to buy a 2700+..i think that should be enough for u to buy a good mobo and a 2500+ barton(or even lower athlons). May be u should consider that.
Huh? The 2700+ is only $130 on price watch and the 2600 + is only about $95 I don't that would cover teh 2500+ ($89) and a new mobo...
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You've got a 2100+...I swapped my 2100+ into my dad's comp and got a 2500+ at the local shop about 2 weeks ago, didn't really make a difference. Unless you're getting a 3500+ or better you're wasting your money (I know there aren't any 3500+'s yet).
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You've got a 2100+...I swapped my 2100+ into my dad's comp and got a 2500+ at the local shop about 2 weeks ago, didn't really make a difference. Unless you're getting a 3500+ or better you're wasting your money (I know there aren't any 3500+'s yet).
I wanna move formthe 266 to the 333 mhz bus though... there has to be a difference for games (I am in the process of getting a radeon 9800 np)
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Old Aug 17, 2003, 04:40 PM   #7
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if you buy a 2700 or 2600 over a barton 2500 i will have to laugh at you. the barton 2500 is such a great processor, it costs 90 bucks on newegg and almost all of them overclock to 3200's with 400 FSB on stock voltage, mine did on 1.7 volt but still its rock solid....i paid 90 bucks for a 400 dollar processor...and despite the fact i overclocked it from a 2500 to a 3200 it idles at 40 c and doesnt get hotter than 45c in heavy gaming...such a great processor....try that with an athlon xp
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Old Aug 17, 2003, 04:42 PM   #8
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gaiden also the reason you probably didnt see a difference was your video card bottleneck, if you had a 9700 pro it would help you a lot, i have the same video card i did before but an athlon 2500 over my old processor raised my 3dmarks from 10,500 to 16,500...just a athlon 2500 overclocked, you have to make sure you have no bottlenecks...now in my system the video card is the bottleneck, if i raise the FSB i dont get much of a difference in games because of my 9700 pro, but if i had an overclocked 9800 pro it would help me a lot
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My 9600 Pro is a bottleneck? You must be joking. I had a difference when upgrading from an 800 to a 2100+ with my old Radeon but my new system runs everything so damn fast I can't notice the difference, even with my old video card. Trust me, a 2500+ over a 2100+ isn't worth the price. Only at times where you can just barely make playable fps would it make a difference. Wait awhile, don't get one now.
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Your 2500+ only gave you 10 500 3d marks with a 9700 Pro, when overclocked?! That's horrible! Mine gets 12 000 and I've got stock speeds and a 9600 Pro.
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if you buy a 2700 or 2600 over a barton 2500 i will have to laugh at you. the barton 2500 is such a great processor, it costs 90 bucks on newegg and almost all of them overclock to 3200's with 400 FSB on stock voltage, mine did on 1.7 volt but still its rock solid....i paid 90 bucks for a 400 dollar processor...and despite the fact i overclocked it from a 2500 to a 3200 it idles at 40 c and doesnt get hotter than 45c in heavy gaming...such a great processor....try that with an athlon xp
Here we go again... Did you even read my whole quote or did you just skim thru and whenever anyone mentions a chip other than 2500+ you decide to throw in your 2 cents shouting MORON... Now please READ THE RED TEXT UP ABOVE....
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Get the Barton; your games will like the extra cache and you will love it for overclocking when you get a new board. You can get NF2 boards for 90 bucks at Newegg and they have had a host of refurb NF2 boards for less than that.

So my vote is for the Barton; good today. Much better tommorrow when you do upgrade your MB.
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no my 2500 didnt give me 10,500 i said my old processor gave me that, then i slapped in the barton, i never tried it at a 2500 i overclocked from the begining and got 160,500 over my athlon 1700, and my brother has the same setup i do except a athlon 2200 and he gets 4000 less, same setup and everything
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and im sorry i didnt read his whole bost i just made a reply after i read the first 2 sentences, sorry for the mixup, i just dont want him to make a bad choice, barton is cheap and good, and even with a crappy board its good to keep the future in mind, i dont have to ever worry about gettin a 3200 because i got my 2500 to that, so i didnt have to wait for the price to drop or anything
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I wanna move formthe 266 to the 333 mhz bus though... there has to be a difference for games (I am in the process of getting a radeon 9800 np)
dude wats the point of gettin all these good things and not upgrading a mobo?? U mite as well save some price on the vid card and processor and go for a better mobo.

A better mobo + 9700np(if available) + a OC'ed 2500 than
9800np + 2600 or 2700.

Although 9800np is the best vid card u can get out there.. I rather suggest u get sometin that will take advantage of it.
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dude wats the point of gettin all these good things and not upgrading a mobo?? U mite as well save some price on the vid card and processor and go for a better mobo.

A better mobo + 9700np(if available) + a OC'ed 2500 than
9800np + 2600 or 2700.

Although 9800np is the best vid card u can get out there.. I rather suggest u get sometin that will take advantage of it.
The Reason why I am not getting a new mobo is that it seems kind of a waste to do so at this moment... If I was doing intel its a different story... But you all know the Xp line of athlons are pretty much at the end of the line... All I am doing is just upgradin my stuff to get the most bang at stock without the worry of burning out my stuff via overclocking... I want my stuff to last a while if not longer even my crappy mobo... (For a cheap price as well)
The other reason why I am not jumping to get barton is that from what I read the extra cache doesn't make a big difference... but the increase in bus speed does...)
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My point was u get the beast bang for the buck with the upgradation of the mobo. Nowadays if u dont OC anytin .. u really arent making using it.. so dont OC to a level that it burns .. but lil bit of OC'ing wont kill it. Anyway If u really hat OC'ing then i guess u should stick with bartons. Btw extra cache mite not help but i am sure the extra fsb will.
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2500+ is da bomb chip. stable, fast, cheap.
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If you're into gaming, you should know upgrading ur CPU from an AMD 2100 to a 2600/2700 is not gonna give you any more fps; not with that slowass vid card anyways. Never mind the CPU upgrade and just get the 9800pro. This is what you should've been told in the 1st place.
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If you're into gaming, you should know upgrading ur CPU from an AMD 2100 to a 2600/2700 is not gonna give you any more fps; not with that slowass vid card anyways. Never mind the CPU upgrade and just get the 9800pro. This is what you should've been told in the 1st place.
FYI, I am upgrading to a 9800 non pro, which is literally the same card as the pro with a slightly slower speed at only $250. (what a steal!) And from moving the bus speed from 266 to 333 will make a difference... that much I do know....
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Fine....whatever. Spend ur money however you want.
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why not an Intel??
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well he doesnt want to buy a new mobo for his athlon so im pretty sure he probly doesnt want to buy a 150$ p4 mobo and a 150$ p4 processor either.
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well he doesnt want to buy a new mobo for his athlon so im pretty sure he probly doesnt want to buy a 150$ p4 mobo and a 150$ p4 processor either.
Thanks Man... I am glad you read my posts... but I am a die hard AMD Fan... and right now I don't think I am gonna be jumpin ship and doing a full blown intel upgrade anytime soon... I am just gonna do my upgrades and try to make it last for 1 to 2 more years if I can....

And when I do a total upgrade hopefully it will be an Athlon 64!
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