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Old Jul 6, 2003, 01:56 PM   #1
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Default Another "Which is better, AMD or Intel" thread

I'm putting together a computer for a friend and he wants it in the $1300-1500 range. I put together two systems differing only in the motherboard and processor. The AMD is a Barton 2500+ on an Epox 8RDA+ and the Intel is a 2.4ghz on an Abit IS7-E. The Intel system is $88 more than the AMD system. Which would be the better buy?
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Old Jul 6, 2003, 01:57 PM   #2
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AMD one. Is 2.4Ghz the 'C' ones??
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Old Jul 6, 2003, 01:58 PM   #3
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I prefer AMD.
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Old Jul 6, 2003, 02:00 PM   #5
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For AMD thou u need to add a very good extra cooling to get a good overclok while intel one wont need that good of a cooling. So ur price now should increase little bit for AMD'S. However after that i still suggest u get AMD.
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Old Jul 6, 2003, 02:59 PM   #6
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With an AMD Athlon XP 2500+ (barton) and an Abit NF7-S 2.0 is the best. The Abit brings SoundStorm; the sound is the better than an Audigy 2.
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With an AMD Athlon XP 2500+ (barton) and an Abit NF7-S 2.0 is the best. The Abit brings SoundStorm; the sound is the better than an Audigy 2.
From what my friend told me (he has ABIT NF7-S Rev. 2) his SB Live! bought better sound than the sound storm, so idk.

If you want good overclocking go with the P4 2.4C, because it can reach over 3ghz. But if overclocking isn't an issue than the 2500+ will be more than fine
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Old Jul 6, 2003, 03:23 PM   #8
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What mean the "C" of P4 2.4C?
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C means 800mhz front side bus
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I vote for Intel P4 "C" system.

P4 C's have 800mhz FSB with HyperThreading.
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What is the other money of 1300 going to?

As 2500+ and an Nforce2 mobo can't be more than 250 bucks.
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Technically it means Northwood C model. Last Northwood series
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Go for the Intel. You'll get more out of it than the AMD rig. Just read reviews and many other threads concerning the Northwood C CPUs and you'll know what I mean.
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For AMD thou u need to add a very good extra cooling to get a good overclok while intel one wont need that good of a cooling. So ur price now should increase little bit for AMD'S. However after that i still suggest u get AMD.
Do you have any suggestions on a decent cooler?

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What is the other money of 1300 going to?
It has a 120gb hard drive, Radeon 9700 Pro, 512mb ram, DVD-ROM, CD-RW, plus it has monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, OS, etc.
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I would go with the Intel system... Better and cooler running overclockers... Less compatability issues with the chipset(usually), etc...

As for Soundstorm being better than Audigy2, ***** please...

It is better than an SBLive and on par with a regular Audigy, but it is not better than Audigy2 or MWave Revolution 7.1 sound solutions...
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Go for the AMD.The average overclock is near 2.2 GHz (3200+ if you ask AMD, which consequently, is also the average oc you'd get with the P4 and non-stock HSF), but YMMV. As for the other comments, yes you'll need a good coolor for the AMD, I personally use the SLK-800A with an Antec Smartfan Remote. I heard the Vantec Aeroflow/TMD is also a good deal, and a lot cheaper than my setup.
Don't believe anyone telling you that Soundstorm is better than any Audigy. As good as the Audigy 1? Maybe, depends on your setup. Audigy 2? No way in hell. Better than any other integrated sound? Lightyears ahead. I have the audigy 1 and soundstorm. If I hadn't connected the soundstorm via digital it sounded a whole lot worse.
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I dunno. After 2 AMD systems, I went Intel 850 - very stable.

I have had issues with the Via chipsets.

That said, the Nforce 2 seems to rock.

Honestly, I'd save the $88 and go AMD, all things being equal. $88 can buy some extra RAM or other cool stuff.
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With an AMD Athlon XP 2500+ (barton) and an Abit NF7-S 2.0 is the best. The Abit brings SoundStorm; the sound is the better than an Audigy 2.
How the hell did you convince yourself to believe that? Firstly, of all of the NF2 onboard sound, I've never seen one that uses a DAC that is better than the Realtek ALC650 (this includes the NF7-S), and the ALC650 is comparable to an Audigy, but an A2 with its Crystal CS4382 DAC is indisputably superior to the ALC650. If mobo manu's just used a better DAC, it could've been a conteder but that is not the case. It's mediocre at best especially along the likes of the A2, TBSC, Revo, Prodigy, and Aureon in the consumer market.

Second, the driver support for the NF2 is horrible. The latest drivers are several months old and extremely buggy. A short while ago, Nvidia attempted a release with the 2.41's and they fixed some bugs in the older ones but introduced numerous and catastrophic bugs. Rumor is that they are releasing new ones next week, but I have lost faith in Nvidia's NF2 driver team. I still hope they are better than the crapass 2.41's that a monkey could've written better, and I will be pleasantly surprised if it is.

But for now, I can only recommend an Intel platform. With the Springdale supporting Socket 478 Prescott chips, it has a much longer upgrade path than the soon-to-be ended Socket A platform.
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The AMD system would be faster with games.
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Someone should explain the difference between AMD and Intel and make it sticky. I've seen millions of these threads. Don't you guys get tired of replying to them?
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The AMD system would be faster with games.
Ummm... no.

It wouldn't.

Both chips are gonna be beyond what the video card can do if you have the settings at anything decent.
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I like AMD, but to be honest if I was building myself a system from scratch at the moment, it would be a P4 Rev C, probabley coupled with an Abit IC7.

AMD are not on top of there game at the min, lets hope the Athlon64 rocks as much as I want it too.
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I would go for Intel just because of quality. AMD prosessors are often already clocked to the edge and they need expensive coolers oh well you can get a cheap cooler but then you will get a lot of noice also (AMD reminds me of GF FX). But if you still are gonna go with AMD I suggest you take a motherboard with SiS chipset. There seems to be quite a lot driver problems with nForce2, hopyfully nVidia will fix those.

I also think that you should take a closer look to reviews and what you need from that rig.

I have had my Intel over a year in my computer only mobo has changed Well one year, well thats much for me. I bought a 1,6 Ghz northwood and I still luv it (1,[email protected],6 GHz vcore 1,85 with stock cooling and temps running 30-55 degrees celsius). I have had no hardware problems after moving back from AMD and now I even have a SiS 655 mobo (I was a bit worried when I got this one but I have been happy with it so far).
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Here's the only problem I see with the Intel system: I'll have to add $10 for the 2.4c because the original price was for a 2.4b, and I'll have to buy some really expensive memory because a 3ghz overclock means a 250mhz fsb which means I would need DDR500 memory and I don't even think they make that. With AMD I could set the fsb to 200mhz and then adjust the multiplier to get max speed without going overkill on the memory.
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But there are dividers. Memory dividers can let you push your FSB beyond the 250 MHz range. Sure you'll be crippling your memory bandwidth from its 1:1 ratio max, but you can achieve high clockspeeds. I'd go for the Intel system not because I'm pro Intel (I actually just recommended a AMD rig to a friend) but because if you're looking for overall better system and have headroom to stay competitive for the future...get the Intel C series Overclocking~!
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Killdozer where the hell did you hear of such? AMD is faster with games? LOL! Read some benchies and reviews.
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Go with Intel, but make sure it is 2.4C or higher. It is better for overclocking and I think more stable.
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Will you please stop it with the Intel being more stable ****. I've seen just as many P4 systems fail as I've seen AMD systems. 1 each in two years.
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I would go for Intel just because of quality. AMD prosessors are often already clocked to the edge and they need expensive coolers oh well you can get a cheap cooler but then you will get a lot of noice also (AMD reminds me of GF FX). But if you still are gonna go with AMD I suggest you take a motherboard with SiS chipset. There seems to be quite a lot driver problems with nForce2, hopyfully nVidia will fix those.

I also think that you should take a closer look to reviews and what you need from that rig.

I have had my Intel over a year in my computer only mobo has changed Well one year, well thats much for me. I bought a 1,6 Ghz northwood and I still luv it (1,[email protected],6 GHz vcore 1,85 with stock cooling and temps running 30-55 degrees celsius). I have had no hardware problems after moving back from AMD and now I even have a SiS 655 mobo (I was a bit worried when I got this one but I have been happy with it so far).
What are these issues I've seen posted in this thread about Nforce 2 issues. I'm not one to defend Nvidia but I see no issues and haven't since I got my first Nforce2 board in December.

Also Don't liken a stillborn GFX card to an Athlon it's just not a comparison. Both solutions are good however I prefer AMD over INtel at the moment.
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