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Old Apr 13, 2004, 12:46 PM   #1
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Hi all,

I, like a lot of people, dislike having to keep CDs in the drive to play games; or trying to find one for a game you want to play; and hence the reason for NoCd patches.

The games I am thinking of are Far Cry and UT2k4, however is there any risk in using such patches? My main concern is the exec sending my CD key for instance, to the author? I would only be using patches for games i own the full retail version of.

Game Burn World would be my source for such NoCd patches.

TheMonkeyBoyz - i would really appreciate your input since you use them a lot

Thanks for all your help!

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Old Apr 13, 2004, 12:53 PM   #2
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There is a high risk of getting your CD-Key stolen by the No-CD.exe so that's why I don't use them. Do you trust hacker created software on your PC? It takes 2 seconds to put a CD in your drive and you won't have any lingering doubts about your CD-Key being stolen. 2 Seconds is worth the comfort of knowing.

It's like asking would I get aids if I have protected sex with this infected woman? Why risk it?
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Old Apr 13, 2004, 01:00 PM   #3
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Cheers for your input - has anyone had their key stolen via such .exe's?
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I've used them before, but it's too much trouble to find a new version every time the game is patched. Plus like like Lotto said... who knows what the cracker that wrote the nocd patch put in it.
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Ive used them for years on just about all my retail games and have never had any keys stolen. All work perfectly online...
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Old Apr 13, 2004, 01:13 PM   #6
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Cheers Meusa; the patches seem to be mostly made by Deviance - anyone had any problems with his NoCD patches?
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Old Apr 13, 2004, 01:15 PM   #7
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Not for me, ive used many from Deviance
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Old Apr 13, 2004, 01:20 PM   #8
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Last question for you mate - do they include UT2k4 and Far Cry ? Cheers!
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My cousin dowloaded a no-cd patch for a game and his virus scanner caught a virus in it. I have no idea what his source was..
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It takes 2 seconds to put a CD n your drive and you won't have any lingering doubts about your CD-Key being stolen. 2 Seconds is worth the comfort of knowing.
2 seconds?

1. Take out any CD/DVD you have in the drive.
2. Put it back in its case.
3. Put case back where it belongs.
4. Take CD/DVD from new case to put in the drive.
5. Put it in drive and place empty case somewhere.
6. Close drive.

THEN, wait while the retarded program checks your freakin drive every 2 seconds to see that the disc is still there apparently trying to confirm that your really own the disc you bought. I guess the key that is managed and tracked on the central multiplayer server is not good enough, hell it's the key that's worth 95% of the price most of the time.

With CloneCD and Alcohol 120 you can practically replicate the store bought CD anyway. And after having been accustomed to loading games from my hardrive with Virtual DAEMON, and having them install and load ten times quicker, it seems like paying for games that run shittier than warez copies is assbackwards retarded.
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Old Apr 13, 2004, 01:29 PM   #11
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Thanks all; anyone with experiance of Deviances' Farcry and UT2k4 patches? Cheers!
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Yeh I've got NoCD's for both UT2004 and Farcry. Had no problems with them so far and ive had them on since release. I can't remember what the auther was called for them though. I usually get em from either gamecopyworld or megagames.
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Yeh I've got NoCD's for both UT2004 and Farcry. Had no problems with them so far and ive had them on since release. I can't remember what the auther was called for them though. I usually get em from either gamecopyworld or megagames.
How would you know if yoru CD-Key was stolen? Only way you would know is if it's Raven Shield type protection where it authenticates before you can play online or if your CD-Key gets blacklisted because the other person using it acts like an ass.

As for trying to figure out if Deviance is a legit source that's crazy. It's like trying to determine which thief is better suited to watch your home while you are away.
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Thanks all; anyone with experiance of Deviances' Farcry and UT2k4 patches? Cheers!

Yeah i got the Farcry one.

In fact ive been using No-CD patches for ages now and not once have i had a problem with them.

The ones that are most respectec and recognized are the Deviance ones.

In fact the Far Cry one works perfectly and ive had no problems getting online with it at all.

Also what Davyboywonder said about that whole process is the very exact reason why i prefer a No-CD patch.
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I dont really see how a noCD crack would send your cdkey to someone. What i mean is that mostly people who pirated the game and are using invalid cd-keys that only work offline and not online would use NoCD cracks. It would take forever for someone to sift through 10,000+ cdkeys and pick out only the valid ones. It could not be done automatically since fake "valid" keys can be generated. They have to be tested in game through the master server for the game. Unless the crack is written to steal an exact persons cd-key it would seem very unlikely anyone would have their key stolen. With that said if you do want to use NoCD patches then use them from groups such a DEViANCE, FairLight, Razor 1911, iMMERSiON and so on. Groups that are trusted and known in the scene. If little johnny who you just met on msn gives you a noCD patch and you are not 100% sure where it came from then dont use it. Chanes are he wants your key. Also beware of patches disguesed as being from a known group. And remember virus scanners are your friends. Except Norton, he is your enemy!
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There is a high risk of getting your CD-Key stolen by the No-CD.exe so that's why I don't use them. Do you trust hacker created software on your PC? It takes 2 seconds to put a CD in your drive and you won't have any lingering doubts about your CD-Key being stolen. 2 Seconds is worth the comfort of knowing.

It's like asking would I get aids if I have protected sex with this infected woman? Why risk it?
Uh, its more than 2 seconds.
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It's like asking would I get aids if I have protected sex with this infected woman? Why risk it?
You're right! You shouldn't have sex.
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My Starcraft CD Key was probably stolen like this.. I dont usually play it online, however, just over LAN..

Otherwise.. Yeah.. One day, I just couldnt login.. Oh well.. I usually get stomped anyways.. I sent an email, with a copy of my receipt and CD keys quite a while ago to blizzard, to see if something could be done about it..

Not sure if anything happened about it..
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Uh, its more than 2 seconds.
Ok, 10 seconds tops.
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How would you know if yoru CD-Key was stolen? Only way you would know is if it's Raven Shield type protection where it authenticates before you can play online or if your CD-Key gets blacklisted because the other person using it acts like an ass.
Well nearly all games that I play authenticate when joining a game, so if my key was stolen I would have surely seen a CD Key in use message by now but ive never had that when trying to play online, so I doubt they are stolen.

NoCd's are way more convenient, especially if you hop between games often which I do. Nice not having to take 10+ cd's and cases to lans as well. I'll continue to use them until the day that one stops me from playing online.

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Ok, 10 seconds tops.
Ok i got a minute to kill, so what the hell lets see how long it takes :

Ok i just timed it:

Locate CD case for existing game from shelf and grab it = 5 seconds.
Open case door and hit eject button on CD drive plus get game out of drive = 7 seconds
Put CD in case and store back on shelf = 5 seconds
Pull other game i want, and put it int CD drive to play = 8 seconds
Close CD Drive, close Door = 3 seconds

Total (not counting CD check safedisc crap etc) = 28 seconds ~= half a minute

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CD Crack = 0 seconds


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Ok i got a minute to kill, so what the hell lets see how long it takes :

Ok i just timed it:

Locate CD case for existing game from shelf and grab it = 5 seconds.
Open case door and hit eject button on CD drive plus get game out of drive = 7 seconds
Put CD in case and store back on shelf = 5 seconds
Pull other game i want, and put it int CD drive to play = 8 seconds
Close CD Drive, close Door = 3 seconds

Total (not counting CD check safedisc crap etc) = 28 seconds ~= half a minute

vs

CD Crack = 0 seconds


Hmm, maybe my desk is more organized than yours. All the games I have are in jewel cases stored in a nice Jewel case rack mounted inside my oak desk cabinet. The games I play more often I leave the jewel cases out on a shelf so I can easily access and view at all times.

Sounds like disorganization is the main factor in your 28 seconds.
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Hmm, maybe my desk is more organized than yours. All the games I have are in jewel cases stored in a nice Jewel case rack mounted inside my oak desk cabinet. The games I play more often I leave the jewel cases out on a shelf so I can easily access and view at all times.

Sounds like disorganization is the main factor in your 28 seconds.

Ok time it yourself if you dont believe me.
Its not really disorganized either.
I have about 60 games, thats primarily the reason why.
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There is another way:

Use virtual cd-drives like Daemon-Tools.
But on the other side you need about 700-800 MB disk space for the images of the CD's...
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There is no risk as long as you get a No-CD from a trusted group such as Deviance or Fairlight. I've been using No-CD's since forever and nothing has ever happened. Just don't go downloading from shady sites.

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ow would you know if yoru CD-Key was stolen? Only way you would know is if it's Raven Shield type protection where it authenticates before you can play online or if your CD-Key gets blacklisted because the other person using it acts like an ass.
All multiplayer games that use CD-Key's check with the master server to see if it's already in use. You would know if somebody stole it.
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I'd say the chances of your CD-key being stolen by a 3rd party is insignificant compared to the reality that most of you use Internet Explorer and just about anyone can sneak a trojan or a virus to your machine via a suitably crafted website.

So, enjoy no-cds and keep the pressure on the devs to stop the stupidity of including such idiotic checks.
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Ok, 10 seconds tops.
Thats an ignorant thing to say. What if you cant find your CD. It takes time to take out the other CD and put it away, games with expansion packs sometimes make you use the expansion pack CD, etc.

I have yet to see proof this happens. Firewalls dont let unauthorized traffic from your PC, so it should stop such a thing anyways.

People like to use cd cracks because it makes things easier. There is no denying that. If you dont like it, too bad.
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Hmmmm... this is really tempting. I'm sick and tired of swapping CDs for games I bought. Surely we deserve better treatment than this. So you're all saying that there's absolutely no problems with these? Playing online? Battlefield, Far Cry, etc. they all work as long as you have the same NoCD as the current patch, right?

And, no matter how long it takes, 10 seconds or 30, it's too much. Plus I have a door on my case that I have to open to get the CD out. Sometimes I see the icon on my desktop and I want to play that game, but just the thought of swapping the CDs makes me forget about it. I'm a lazy man.
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If you want to play Battlefield without a CD, an easier way it to clone the CD1 and keep it as a CloneCD image on your hard drive if you have space. Works for BF42 and BFV both.

I do it this way, to avoid any and all problems with CRC checking programs.
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You might have some problems getting online with the battlefield series of games if you use a noCD patch. Some servers wont let you on.
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