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Old Jul 3, 2022, 11:23 AM   #6091
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I might not buy a used current gen card at this point. But nothing wrong with still buying current gen when new cards are close to release. Just because something new comes out doesn't mean the last gen stuff is all of a sudden trash.

Matter of fact probably better to buy current right now simply because availability and pricing coming back to normal. When the new stuff launches its going to be hard to get and expensive. Who wants to deal with that bullshit again.


and if the faster 4000's end up cheaper or the same MSRP's ?

with the recession we are most likely already in and will be for the next year or so
if it doesn't get even worse

sales won't be even close to as high with mining in the toilet and no more free covid bucks and not being locked in
with 5 to 7+ buck a gallon gas and food costing 2 and 3 times what it was a lot of people won't be buying toys or anything they don't have to
and video cards fall into the i don't really need it category for 99% of people in harder times

so AMD & NV will need to be careful with pricing as sales will be much lower
i to was expecting higher pricing but not now most likely same MSRP pricing
and aftermarket cards like Asus will not be as nuts most likely go back to the RTX 2000's and only being about 200 more than FE's


i would wait till the reveal events and we see what's what in pricing and performance
you can always buy a last gen card even cheaper then or for a month or to after the new card come out

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Old Jul 3, 2022, 05:32 PM   #6092
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Pricing may be based on market conditions and competitional forces. Based on rumors, there may be a 03 derivative coming to desktop this round so this makes it kinda tough to gauge pricing based on the historicals. There is also the point of possibly too many Ampere inventories that may effect the pricing and launch dates of Ada.

What I learned, there is demand and a market for $1,000+ desktop GPU products, so I doubt that this will change from Nvidia and Amd.
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Old Jul 3, 2022, 10:18 PM   #6093
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Pricing may be based on market conditions and competitional forces. Based on rumors, there may be a 03 derivative coming to desktop this round so this makes it kinda tough to gauge pricing based on the historicals. There is also the point of possibly too many Ampere inventories that may effect the pricing and launch dates of Ada.

What I learned, there is demand and a market for $1,000+ desktop GPU products, so I doubt that this will change from Nvidia and Amd.
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Old Jul 3, 2022, 10:19 PM   #6094
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Upgraded from a 3080 that I’ve had for the past year and a half to a 3090 and got about 1/2 to 2/3 the performance gain I got going from 2080ti to 3080. Some games that run well enough I was using DSR or in game resolution scaling to render higher than 4K, I got a huge bump in how far I could push it.
The way I see it, if I can’t get a 40 series right away, at least I got that improvement till I can and I get to start enjoying it now (if I had time to play anything any way). If I do get one right away, I’ll just sell it.
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and if the faster 4000's end up cheaper or the same MSRP's ? ...
Well I hope you're right but I just don't see it happening.
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Upgraded from a 3080 that I’ve had for the past year and a half to a 3090 and got about 1/2 to 2/3 the performance gain I got going from 2080ti to 3080. Some games that run well enough I was using DSR or in game resolution scaling to render higher than 4K, I got a huge bump in how far I could push it.
The way I see it, if I can’t get a 40 series right away, at least I got that improvement till I can and I get to start enjoying it now (if I had time to play anything any way). If I do get one right away, I’ll just sell it.
Good call. Should’ve gone 3090 Ti to get even more separation.
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Old Jul 7, 2022, 11:18 PM   #6097
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ASUS ROG Strix NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti OC Edition
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finely is about where it should have been

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999 and i maybe go for one and skip the high watt 4000's
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999 and i maybe go for one and skip the high watt 4000's
If the rumored specs are to be believed even a 4070 should be worth waiting for.

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidia...of-300w-rumor/

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If the rumored specs are to be believed even a 4070 should be worth waiting for.

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidia...of-300w-rumor/
rumored performance always falls short and sometimes by a lot

and if rumored watt usage to performance is too high i may not want a 4000
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rumored performance always falls short and sometimes by a lot

and if rumored watt usage to performance is too high i may not want a 4000
We'll see but AMD cards also look power hungry.
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Even if the 4080/4090 use more power by default, they'll still be faster at the same wattage as the 3080/3080ti.

3080ti @ 373watt absolutely crushes a 2080ti @ 373watt. The "avoid high power cards" argument is kind of silly when you can simply lock lower voltages if you want lower power use.
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Excellent point.
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It's been warmer, so instead of turning up the fans on my loop, I just locked my card at .850mv. Easy peasy.
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We'll see but AMD cards also look power hungry.
but lower than the 4000's

the rx 7950 xt maybe high as the 4000's but the rest should be about like the 3000's or lower
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I'm not that desperate to upgrade next gen. If they're available I will certainly do so, but if availability is low I will just make do until it improves. With crypto in the crapper (where it belongs), I don't expect it's going to be a serious problem to get a card next gen.

Regarding the rumor of Nvidia delaying the next gen release, I don't know how long they can actually delay unless AMD's release has also been pushed back.

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Even if the 4080/4090 use more power by default, they'll still be faster at the same wattage as the 3080/3080ti.

3080ti @ 373watt absolutely crushes a 2080ti @ 373watt. The "avoid high power cards" argument is kind of silly when you can simply lock lower voltages if you want lower power use.
I usually reduce the power limit on my cards for this reason. Especially on the AIB cards, they are usually pushed well into the diminishing returns area of the frequency voltage curve, so if you cut power by 25-30% you may only lose 5-10% performance. Then I just crank it up in situations where I need the absolute most performance, which usually isn't actually that much.
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Yes but they are dropping production of next gen silicon by a lot. Both Nv and AMD will do everything they can to keep those stupid prices high.
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I think it's just costing a lot more and due to the global economy being what it is, a lot of these companies are projecting significant drop in demand. NV and AMD can't afford to produce a ton of chips and then be stuck with them - look at Ampere and Navi2 ; both are easily obtainable, prices have plummeted, and they still can't get them off the shelves. Stock has been ample for months now, and most of that is driven by the end of COVID restrictions as well as the looming recession/increase in pricing for necessary goods.

COVID saw the tech sector explode due to many being holed up and exploring new outlets. Demand will shrink significantly now and they're just prepping for the worst. NV/AMD are better off not making enough cards than making too many.
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I think it's just costing a lot more and due to the global economy being what it is, a lot of these companies are projecting significant drop in demand. NV and AMD can't afford to produce a ton of chips and then be stuck with them - look at Ampere and Navi2 ; both are easily obtainable, prices have plummeted, and they still can't get them off the shelves. Stock has been ample for months now, and most of that is driven by the end of COVID restrictions as well as the looming recession/increase in pricing for necessary goods.

COVID saw the tech sector explode due to many being holed up and exploring new outlets. Demand will shrink significantly now and they're just prepping for the worst. NV/AMD are better off not making enough cards than making too many.
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with with gas here still 5.29 a gal and food costing 2x or more people aren't going to be buying a lot of toys this year or next

and a lot of people just bought 3000's or 6000's at very high prices so they can wait till next time for hopper and RDNA 4

so i thing prices low as they can get them and the return of 2 or 3 free games with a card

hell if they price the new cards too high i will grab a cheap 3080 ti Strix or EVGA 3080 ti to go with my 6900 xt and wait till next time
i expect the 3080 ti's to drop about 200 more before the new cards hit
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Prices are still mostly over the initial MSRP for retail sku's and Nvidia's forecast for their gaming segment is still strong for next quarter.


I think the mistakes made by Nvidia is forecasting and planning for past mining demand which must be so difficult. In a weakened economy, many consumers may still stay at home and maybe entertained through technologies, so there may be still strong demand. The key is Ampere inventories and will this effect launch dates and pricing for Ada?
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The key is Ampere inventories and will this effect launch dates and pricing for Ada?
This. I expect pricing to be higher, no way 4080 FE costs $699 this time.
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Prices are still mostly over the initial MSRP for retail sku's and Nvidia's forecast for their gaming segment is still strong for next quarter.


I think the mistakes made by Nvidia is forecasting and planning for past mining demand which must be so difficult. In a weakened economy, many consumers may still stay at home and maybe entertained through technologies, so there may be still strong demand. The key is Ampere inventories and will this effect launch dates and pricing for Ada?
Yea and at the tail end of this generation when prices usually are clearance. They simply like their much higher prices which imo has exceeded normal inflation by way too much. If some uber end had been pushed like they used to do with dual gpu boards Id understand but a single gpu board at 2k or more MSRP? Just nuts.

In Canada prices in some cases are over msrp still.
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Old Jul 11, 2022, 07:05 AM   #6112
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Hopefully, this is accurate info Pax and the prices of this current generation are dropping below MSRP in China. From a consumer stand point would be nice to see this in North America and Europe.


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Old Jul 11, 2022, 07:14 AM   #6113
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I've found an ASUS 3090TI TUF for $1700. STRIX 3090 for $1450.. prices have come down significantly. At these prices, I'd skip the 3080 and 3090, and go for 3080TI or 3090TI. 3090TI is quite a specimen.. running much higher clocks at lower voltages than the previous cards.
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Yup my 3090 Ti boosts to 2010-2025 with out me doing anything.
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3090TI TUF is down to $1499 brand new

That's a great deal
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That’s nearly what I paid for my EVGA, courtesy Riptide.
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Prices are plummeting. There's an open-box 3080TI TUF for less than $999.

Great time to be looking for a GPU. If the 3090TI didn't require a new block, I'd probably grab that 3090TI TUF just to break a few more world records
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If a person waited this long, DON'T BUY NOW. Wait for the 4080 or whatever.

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Imho,

Must be tougher to sell sku's around that $1000 plus price points being close to a new generation and competition from used sku's. Curious to see Nvidia revenue numbers for Q2 and what the guidance is for Q3.
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Extra $20 off at MC plus 5% off with their card.

I would never buy Asus again after the outrageous ripoffs they pulled during the pandemic.
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