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Old Jan 26, 2020, 07:38 PM   #91
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What face masks are for viruses? I looked in this a few years back but I forgot to bookmark it.
N95 I think

still looking into it

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the panic is starting it feels like around here.

I have seen people today complain about trying to find masks in Toronto, sold out in many places.

So obviously the bottom feeders are scooping them up and re-listing them for profit.



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N95 I think

still looking into it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/
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I have 3m n95 masks. I think it's time to restock. I'm also looking at n99 and n100.
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I have 3m n95 masks. I think it's time to restock. I'm also looking at n99 and n100.
yea I have them in the shop and on the truck

they are fun in Phoenix in the summer as they slowly get wet from sweet and start to suffocate you

home depot has them for normal prices for now


https://www.homedepot.com/s/n95?NCNI-5


I also had a few paint respirators they will take out toxic paint fumes that is higher than n99

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how much truth is there to the rumor that there is a biological weapons base or factory near the region of where the virus originated?
Looks like it... did some digging, and an article mentions the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Here's their webpage. Now, at least in theory it's just a research lab, not a weapons lab.

http://english.whiov.cas.cn/


Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if someone there got accidently infected and then started spreading it unawares.


Then Wuhan Institute of Biological Products could produce a weapon if required by the government located nearby... very convenient.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/20180...351e9071f.html




If you want the conspiracy version
https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscr...-wuhan/1717828

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Historically, china has been collecting them... here's some other viruses

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Wearing masks is a limited aid. You're likely to infect yourself by not allowing yourself to exhale your own microbes. They quickly accumulate microbes and you breathe in larger amounts than usual making infection more likely...


https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wearin...ry?id=68502930

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There may even be a risk to wearing a mask preventively.

"The mask itself can become contaminated and serve as a source of infection actually doing more harm than good," said Grein. "If wearing a mask, I caution touching it."

Instead, he advises, "avoid travel if you are ill, sneeze or cough into your sleeve and not your hand, and always washing your hands frequently."

"It’s also very important to get the flu shot," he said to protect yourself and those around you.
We wear them in health care for very short periods and replace them usually under 15 min of use.
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Wearing masks is a limited aid. You're likely to infect yourself by not allowing yourself to exhale your own microbes. They quickly accumulate microbes and you breathe in larger amounts than usual making infection more likely...


https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wearin...ry?id=68502930



We wear them in health care for very short periods and replace them usually under 15 min of use.


infect yourself with what bad breath

I have worn them all day at a Intel fab and other clean rooms or in the workshop and never infected myself with my own microbes


if they are my microbes I already got them


now for this you would want to be careful removing them and throwing them away
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Considering at least 100k people are infected and (so far) only 80 deaths, this just seems like widespread case of the flu...especially since it seems only the weak are the ones that are dying so far. I'm really seeing it as overblown as things are now.
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Considering at least 100k people are infected and (so far) only 80 deaths, this just seems like widespread case of the flu...especially since it seems only the weak are the ones that are dying so far. I'm really seeing it as overblown as things are now.
No one knows yet. It takes a couple weeks to fully run its course, and it sounds like it ends with pneumonia. Which is what most are dying from. (I think, if what I thought I read is still right).
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Considering at least 100k people are infected and (so far) only 80 deaths, this just seems like widespread case of the flu...especially since it seems only the weak are the ones that are dying so far. I'm really seeing it as overblown as things are now.
Where did you see anything even remotely close to 100k?

Every report I've seen is 2,000 people and around 80 dead.
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Every report I've seen is 2,000 people and around 80 dead.





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Where did you see anything even remotely close to 100k?

Every report I've seen is 2,000 people and around 80 dead.
The videos posted here from a doctor working in Wuhan claims there are 90k infected. China's downplays and restricts information on this virus. Can you trust the 80 deaths as accurate?
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Where did you see anything even remotely close to 100k?

Every report I've seen is 2,000 people and around 80 dead.
Well, "unofficially" there's some claims of 100k from a chinese nurse but the official Chinese government claim is only 2k.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....0000-sick/amp/

I'm just going by a possible much higher that "official" claim of infection.

If somehow it truly is only around 2k infected, then that is even more of a reason to not be terribly alarmed by this virus and that it is being blown completely out of proportion.
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The videos posted here from a doctor working in Wuhan claims there are 90k infected. China's downplays and restricts information on this virus. Can you trust the 80 deaths as accurate?
No, can you trust a random doctor claiming 98,000+ more than the official number we have available?

Just checking to see if there were any hard facts, but it looks like there are none. Just speculation.
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No, can you trust a random doctor claiming 98,000+ more than the official number we have available?

Just checking to see if there were any hard facts, but it looks like there are none. Just speculation.
Well to be fair I'd trust a Doctor over official Chinese word any day. However At this point I'll wait and see what happens before I start expecting zombies in my small village.
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No one knows yet. It takes a couple weeks to fully run its course, and it sounds like it ends with pneumonia. Which is what most are dying from. (I think, if what I thought I read is still right).
Cool this is what I had. But I had this weeks ago. Is that possible? Any who I am not going to think about it.

Just got off the WI DHS call they had to give us more information and it seems they spent more time saying they did not want to talk or comment about that question as that would put information out that did not need to be out for public consumption. What the heck?

They also talked about the people in our state being tested vs cleared vs confirmed being tested and the numbers do not match and when the news media called them on that they said the information you are looking for is not cleared for public consumption. When pressed they said the information would violate person or persons rights to personal privacy. Also they said why the CDC flu numbers had been delayed. There had been internal discussion about weather this virus would be included in the number and it was decided it would not as the over all flu number would then be affected. In other wards people could back trend the numbers to see how many people had the normal flu and how many had the new virus and that information is not cleared.

Also they talked about N95 masked like the one I just ordered on Amazon. They said if you have one best to use it. However, there is no current information based on how this virus infects people that the mask would stop the infection. But it would help some so best to wear it. Unlike other flu viruses this one can also infect though the eyes. yay.
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Biden noted in his reply that the COVID-19 cure “will make the problem worse, no matter what.”
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Old Jan 27, 2020, 04:21 PM   #113
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Well to be fair I'd trust a Doctor over official Chinese word any day. However At this point I'll wait and see what happens before I start expecting zombies in my small village.


this

and after they sat on the story for weeks at the start

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i'm sure it this point they flat don't know and it is much higher than the official report
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I take it all of the violent protests over there have been calmed down now. I did read a few articles stating that the government was reporting 1/10th the actual numbers regarding the virus but at this point the media is as bad as the government. In some cases it's directly controlled by the government. It just depends on what media outlet you are reading and which government controls them.
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I ordered some face masks because of all the smoke here in Australia. N95 I believe they're equivalent too.
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wonder if it cheaper on the hospital bill if all you see is a Boston Dynamics robot


i'm not paying I never saw a doctor and your robot tried to give me oil

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i'll only get out the masks if people here start getting it here that have never been to china

especially if I have to take my 89 year old parents anywhere
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I got the flu today. Shall I see the doc?
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infect yourself with what bad breath

I have worn them all day at a Intel fab and other clean rooms or in the workshop and never infected myself with my own microbes


if they are my microbes I already got them


now for this you would want to be careful removing them and throwing them away
Your mouth is full of germs on a good day. Not being able to exhale properly will accumulate them. Many infections arent the result of being exposed to a new bug but by a certain amount of bugs from the 700 different bacteria that live in ones mouth that can overwhelm your normal defenses. Using a respirator can be done for long periods but the same mask all day? Itll become wet and infested.
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