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Old Jan 30, 2020, 09:45 AM   #181
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The items I had purchased on Amazon that are shipping from China have all been indefinitely delayed due to the Chinese government putting a ban on shipping items to the states. I did not realize the items where coming from China till I revived the Email apology that the shipping would be delayed.

That is fine I would not have opened the package for 2 weeks anyway!
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The items I had purchased on Amazon that are shipping from China have all been indefinitely delayed due to the Chinese government putting a ban on shipping items to the states. I did not realize the items where coming from China till I revived the Email apology that the shipping would be delayed.

That is fine I would not have opened the package for 2 weeks anyway!
When was that ban put in place? Every google hit I get is about the trade wars....my wife just got 2 or 3 items from China over the past week, but they were ordered 2-3 weeks ago...
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When was that ban put in place? Every google hit I get is about the trade wars....my wife just got 2 or 3 items from China over the past week, but they were ordered 2-3 weeks ago...
They are not calling it a ban, they extended the Lunar holiday due to the Wuhan virus outbreak. Word play I know but that was how it was explained to me. My order was much more recent.
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CDC confirms first human-to-human transmission of coronavirus in the U.S.
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As cases of the novel coronavirus known as 2019-nCoV continue to increase — topping 7,700 globally on Thursday — the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has reported a sixth case in the U.S. Unlike the five previous cases — which were contracted abroad — officials say this infection was spread through person-to-person contact on U.S. soil.

Nancy Messonnier, MD, director of the CDC’s national center for immunization and respiratory diseases, said Thursday in a press call that the case centers on a married couple in Chicago. The woman, described as being in her 60s, tested positive for coronavirus after returning from a trip to Wuhan, China in mid-January. As she was being treated in the hospital, her husband, who had been in close contact with her physically, tested positive for the virus as well.

Although the news may be alarming, Messonnier stresses that it’s not a reason to panic.

“Despite the fact that we are reporting the first instance of person-to-person contact [in the U.S.], it’s important to note that this spread was among two people who were in close contact for an extended period of time,” said Messonnier. “I understand why this may cause people to be worried about how this may affect them. This is a very serious health situation... moving forward we can expect to see more cases.”

CDC Director Robert R. Redfield, MD, added that experts had suspected that the novel coronavirus would likely spread via human-to-human contact.

“Given what we’ve seen in China and other countries with the novel coronavirus, CDC experts have expected some person-to-person spread in the US,” Redfield said in a statement. “We understand that this may be concerning, but based on what we know now, we still believe the immediate risk to the American public is low.”

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So this is based on on what? the exponential infection rate in China? The fact this guy in Hoffman Est has been walking around for the last how many days before he presented and tested positive yet was infectious. He could have interacted with hundreds of people in that time. How many people did she interact with in that time. They make it sound like she stayed in the hospital when others say she did not. The local news my cousins down there saw say they reported she went home when she got the option.

So much misinformation in this article. I guess it is to make us feel better/ safer. But I guess I am not so low IQ and UN-educated that I would believe that junk and feel better. Tell it to me strait and I will feel better. I got friends and family in that town. Makes me grumpy. Sorry
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Really hope no one is panicking about this. These kinds of viruses tend to peter out quick. Its from the same family of viruses as what causes the common cold. We just are getting better at identifying them. And soon we'll be able to see that such viruses are mutating very often, in some cases every few months. Take some basic precautions, especially if you are old and or frail, but dont stop going to work or anything drastic...
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keep it out of the eyes I think
In practice it definitely stops you from absent-mindedly touching your face, like scratching an itch near your eye. It's not an airborne virus, but it can spread from small water drops from someone sneezing or coughing right next to you; this could keep large drops away from your face but won't really do much for smaller drops if you sit next to someone hacking their lungs out.
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Really hope no one is panicking about this. These kinds of viruses tend to peter out quick. Its from the same family of viruses as what causes the common cold. We just are getting better at identifying them. And soon we'll be able to see that such viruses are mutating very often, in some cases every few months. Take some basic precautions, especially if you are old and or frail, but dont stop going to work or anything drastic...
not yet really

but since it is in LA and Chicago

and rats can get and carry some forms of coronavirus how about this one ?

and it is the year of the rat in china
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- Chinese authorities reported 213 deaths and over 9,100 confirmed cases
- The virus has now spread to every region in mainland China
- At least 19 other territories outside mainland China reported confirmed cases of the virus
- WHO declared the virus was a public health emergency of international concern
- Strict biosecurity measures have been put in place in parts of the world
- Several countries including the US, Australia, Japan and India are evacuating their citizens from Wuhan

Would not call it panic. I would call it dislike of mis information.
I have family in the same town with this that already have compromised immune systems due to other health issues. Proper information can keep them safe.
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have been put in place in parts of the world
- Several countries including the US, Australia, Japan and India are evacuating their citizens from Wuhan
forgive me if this has been discussed already, but is the incubation period even known? Or are all these people that are being evacuated possibly already infected they just aren't symptomaitc yet and won't be for a couple of weeks (or won't have virus levels high enought to be detected on any test for a couple of weeks)? you know, after they get hoime and come into contact with thousands...




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While corona viruses are well known the contagion ability can vary. Its likely millions were exposed and the number of exposed/infected with no symptoms is probably a lot higher than the 10 000 with symptoms. We have been exposed to corona viruses for eons so we have a high level of immunity to it. Adding yearly vaccines to that natural immunity helps immensely as well... Theres a study that showed with cumulative vaccination that one can gain a more general increase in immunity to families of viruses.
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CDC sent this out today received it at work a few min ago: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html
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Despite the upgraded threat and things, there is a bit of a silver lining starting to come out...


According to this: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6 , the number of people who have recovered from it is now more than the number that have died of it (less than 50% death rate, and for reason mentioned a few pages back, I do expect this to drop significantly).


Also worth mentioning that the only deaths from the disease have happened in mainland China, and even then, the vast majority of deaths have been in the city where it originated. It seems like treatment and quarantine efforts are having a positive effect, even if there are areas of China where treatment options are currently overwhelmed.
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According to this: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6 , the number of people who have recovered from it is now more than the number that have died of it (less than 50% death rate, and for reason mentioned a few pages back, I do expect this to drop significantly).


Also worth mentioning that the only deaths from the disease have happened in mainland China, and even then, the vast majority of deaths have been in the city where it originated. It seems like treatment and quarantine efforts are having a positive effect, even if there are areas of China where treatment options are currently overwhelmed.
From everything the CDC has sent out so far the death rate is well below 10% (at least that is what has been said int he Emails and on the phone calls) but the infection rate is higher than anything in recent flu history.
People can be infected for up to a week and a half while not presenting symptoms all the while be infecting others around them.
Then they have the flu combined with respiratory issues that lasts for a week or two ending in pneumonia and it is the pneumonia that kills them in their now weakened from flu state. All the while they are possibly still infectious. Normal flu and respiratory infections they know when it is safe to go back to work and you will not infect everyone. This one they do not have a handle on yet. And in the US it is not legal to force some one to stay in lock down unless they agree. That is how the lady in IL was able to go walking around in while still infectious. Hopefully not much in public. But her husband did while infected.
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From everything the CDC has sent out so far the death rate is well below 10% (at least that is what has been said int he Emails and on the phone calls) but the infection rate is higher than anything in recent flu history.
People can be infected for up to a week and a half while not presenting symptoms all the while be infecting others around them.
Then they have the flu combined with respiratory issues that lasts for a week or two ending in pneumonia and it is the pneumonia that kills them in their now weakened from flu state. All the while they are possibly still infectious. Normal flu and respiratory infections they know when it is safe to go back to work and you will not infect everyone. This one they do not have a handle on yet. And in the US it is not legal to force some one to stay in lock down unless they agree. That is how the lady in IL was able to go walking around in while still infectious. Hopefully not much in public. But her husband did while infected.
almost like it is designed or manufactured
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Old Jan 31, 2020, 04:04 PM   #202
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Yeah and the earth is flat and we're being lied to


and we are always " being lied to " .

are govt. and press have 1000's of Harcourt Fenton Mudd clones
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almost like it is designed or manufactured
It's a pretty poorly designed virus if it's not really killing many people.
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It's a pretty poorly designed virus if it's not really killing many people.
Not really.

(I don't believe it was manufactured, btw.)

There are two factors to consider: how easily it spreads and the fatality rate (CFR).

The Spanish Flu only had a CFR of 2.1% to 2.4% yet it was highly contagious: 500 million people were infected and 20 to 50 million people died.

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Not really.

(I don't believe it was manufactured, btw.)

There are two factors to consider: how easily it spreads and the fatality rate (CFR).

The Spanish Flu only had a CFR of 2.1% to 2.4% yet it was highly contagious: 500 million people were infected and 20 to 50 million people died.

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How is the CFR only 2.4 when 20/500 is 4% and 50/500 is 10%?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/b...ronavirus.html

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How is the CFR only 2.4 when 20/500 is 4% and 50/500 is 10%?
You're right. It infected ~2.5% of the population but the CFR was ~10%. CFR is figured only from those infected.

Still, a disease that quickly kills the host can be easier to contain.

What's troubling about the current coronavirus is the time from infection/communicability to the appearance of symptoms (up to 14 days). It is estimated that the disease has an R0 factor of greater than 2 (for everyone one person infected, and average of 2 more people will be infected). So, it's likely that 1000's of Chinese were infected before China quarantined the first symptomatic patients on December 31st.

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Well, brother is finally leaving China today as long as he gets a flight out, curious what happens at the airport coming home, his work already told him to take next week off, they don’t want him in, I here he’s staying away from the wife the next week at his second house for a self imposed quarantine.
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we need to cull the herd. let mother nature do her thing

Personally, I'd rather not be culled because someone else did something dangerous that they've been told not to do








I've taken to checking in daily on that map with the confirmed cases/deaths/recoveries, and while it's back over 50% mortality rate again and the number cases are steadily rising - they're not exponentially rising. If this was a genuine worldwide epidemic, the number of cases wouldn't be jumping only a couple thousand a day, the quarantine efforts are clearly having some effect. It's not over, it's definitely going to be going up for some time... but I don't expect the number of cases in this outbreak to hit 100,000 - about 0.001% of the global population.
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The number of confirmed cases are increasing steadily every day. The biggest issue is that they still don't have enough test kits to go around and not every place knows how to test for it. The CDC in the US has already said it's trying to manufacture kits too and get the ball rolling to help out.

I think once many places have the ability to do more testing, there will be a lot more confirmed cases at a much higher rate.
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