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Old Apr 9, 2021, 11:52 AM   #31
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And its a spartan thing as well no artistry in what they design. Gives it a mass produced militaristic feel. We make some very elegant shaped aircraft that also allow for function in comparison, even some of the military stuff. Tho def we also make ugly but more functional aircraft but those do tend to be purely miltary oriented.
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Old Apr 9, 2021, 03:30 PM   #32
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whatever theories we might pull outta our arses are doomed to fail because we frankly have no idea about how space travel over extreme distances might work. Realising that makes every assumption completely pointless. Heck, we even can't explain half of the things that happen on our own planet....

I find it 'entertaining' at best every time i read about all the theories regarding "aliens".

But, as a lot of other things, it keeps us occupied.
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https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/pent...ideo-are-real/

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“I can confirm that the referenced photos and videos were taken by Navy personnel. The UAPTF has included these incidents in their ongoing examinations. As we have said before, to maintain operations security and to avoid disclosing information that may be useful to potential adversaries, DOD does not discuss publicly the details of either the observations or the examinations of reported incursions into our training ranges or designated airspace, including those incursions initially designated as UAP.”
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“I can confirm that the referenced photos and videos were taken by Navy personnel. The UAPTF has included these incidents in their ongoing examinations,” Pentagon Spokesperson Susan Gough told The Debrief in an email. John Greenewald, who runs the popular government document archive The Black Vault, also confirmed the videos were authentic via a statement from Gough.
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Thats pushing the hype train for disclosure pretty high. Probably the highest since Nixon who got Halderman to hire filmmaker Robert Emenegger and promised him some footage of a UFO landing at Holloman AFB then balked...

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Old May 6, 2021, 12:07 AM   #36
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The Pentagon's inspector general is looking into the actions the military has taken to address the spate of UFO sightings in recent years involving high performance aircraft that have violated military airspace.

The probe comes as Congress awaits a public report, due next month, from a host of national security agencies on the issue, and as advocates complain that some departments and agencies are not fully cooperating by sharing data.

"The objective of this evaluation is to determine the extent to which the DoD has taken actions regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP)," Randolph Stone, assistant inspector general for evaluations on space, intelligence, engineering and oversight, wrote in a Monday memo to the heads of the military branches and other top military commanders and intelligence chiefs.

"We may revise the objective as the evaluation proceeds, and we will consider suggestions from management for additional or revised objectives," it added.

The memo was first reported by The Debrief.

It was not immediately clear who decided that the department's independent watchdog should take on the issue; the IG's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
This looks like they are taking the whole thing seriously now and that some cultural or other issue kept the various services from cooperating on the matter for decades isnt being viewed favorably.
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Marco Rubio is Taking UFOs Seriously and He Thinks You Should Too

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Ya some tweets on the matter from 60 min producers said a piece was coming and it will rattle some cages... Its probably simply that there is a sea change where most of the world has publicly been taking ufos seriously for decades the US is finally officially coming onboard. Course theres some evidence the gov has been taking ufo's seriously for some time secretly.
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Who the **** cares what Marco Rubio says. Failed politician looking for some publicity
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Sometimes the ufo angle is used by politicians and govs as a distraction when they are going thru bad times. Russia famously played that game. The 60 min piece will have more than just him, people from both parties will speak to the issue, tho he was on the committee that dealt with ufos.
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I'm not a fan of 60 minutes as it is a program known for deliberately misreporting interviews and scandals over the last several decades.

But regardless of that "hit piece", it does seem you have a different idealogy of what "UFO" actually means. You and a few others have this notion that UFO's somehow must be "alien" in origin and the whole world needs to "wake up", when in fact that method is flawed from the getgo and the people romanticizing UFO's as alien origins are the ones (and I hate to say it but it needs to be said) that need to open their minds. This couldn't be more important for national security issues like this, because we either have super secret projects at risk because people want to poke their noses until we give up our secrets, or there is a foreign government entity at play and we need to uncover it. ET coming from another planet is the last likeliest explanations considering there has never been any shred of evidence of interstellar objects entering our vicinity/atmosphere from origins beyond the solar system other than the usual meteors and asteroids. Like I've always said and is repeated in the scientific world, if there's no correlating evidence of it ever coming from space then it most likely never came from space in the first place, and thus has a terrestrial explanation even if we don't know what that explanation is yet despite how outlandish it looks.

This video just came out today and I recommend taking a look at just how unlikely anything of "alien" origins has been ever detected.




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I think we argued that alien thing to death already. Some people call foreigners aliens so if you want to carry it that far well thats you. Evidence of pretty amazing tech existing at least since ww2 is enough to rattle any cage no aliens needed. Well not the ET kind anyway. There are many avenues by which such tech can come about and if its simply secret skunkworks even when people who worked there say we dont have anything anywhere near that its still amazing if it is.
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Pentagon Confirms Leaked Video Showing “Transmedium” UFO is Authentic

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The video was obtained by personnel aboard the USS Omaha, a United States Navy Independence-class littoral combat ship, during a 2019 incident that occurred off the California coast.
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A couple new takeaways from the segment was that this has been happening daily for 2 years at one point and with multiple pilot and instrument witnesses of any given incident. Much of this due to new radar tech that can see them more easily. So they must have hundreds of hours of gun camera footage...

Hope we get some quality declassified footage in June.
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I doubt that any decent videos will come out.

The military won't let other nations know that they have really good video targeting systems.

It'll all be grainy AF and nasty looking.
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This 60 minutes piece coming out 30 days before the report is one helluva way to get PR rolling for this thing.

Very compelling stuff.
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The sources seem credible. The footage seems authentic. Interesting stuff.

Humans have been obsessed with harnessing the power of light in its various forms. I have often wondered what ingenuity would have arisen out of an equal obsession with the force of gravity and magnetism.
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The funny part is, once you have agreed that these unidentified objects are real, then Occam's Razor gets pretty damn funny.

Because the odds that some Nation-state has this level of technology are so far out, the simple conclusion is that has to be extraterrestrial.
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https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...nr-sot-vpx.cnn

Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper discusses an upcoming Pentagon report on UFOs.

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TBH, I mean can you really blame them?

*If the U.S. government knows as much as we do, that we have no idea what the UAP's are, then why bother telling the public?

If you're the government and you have no idea what they are or how to stop them, then you're just scaring the ever-living **** out of the public.
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Because the odds that some Nation-state has this level of technology are so far out, the simple conclusion is that has to be extraterrestrial.
And yet the ET notion not my first choice as an answer. Even less if the accounts of crashes and behaviors and also creatures (they seem very much variations of primates to me) indicating they are aware and sometimes afraid of aggression on our part are true. IMO its a parallel or older civilisation that maybe ahead of us by a few hundred or thousand years at the most. Much of the tech we see maybe just a few decades away from our own labs. Its stuff we've dabbled in science fiction for generations and we know science fiction has a tendency to become science fact not very long after the fiction has been written.
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Interesting theory.

Right up there with these UAP's being objects from our own future.
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The funny part is, once you have agreed that these unidentified objects are real, then Occam's Razor gets pretty damn funny.

Because the odds that some Nation-state has this level of technology are so far out, the simple conclusion is that has to be extraterrestrial.
Nah, the rover gonna role up on a Mars base inhabited by people from Guam. They'll be like, "Oh, we didn't tell ya?".
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