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Old Mar 17, 2020, 05:15 PM   #1
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slightly weaker (GPU) rated performance as compared to the next X.
With both m$ and Sony looking towards PC as a viable second market for their exclusives Sony must be looking (gunning for) at a significant price advantage against the next X.
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slightly weaker (GPU) rated performance as compared to the next X.
With both m$ and Sony looking towards PC as a viable second market for their exclusives Sony must be looking (gunning for) at a significant price advantage against the next X.
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Loved the talk about 3D audio. It kinda came off like they where reinventing the wheel.... but it sounded really promising and I can't wait to hear it.
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The PS5 better be at least 50-100 cheaper.

Also it doesn't have 100% backwards compatibility with the PS4, they tested 100 popular titles and most worked, some too fast.
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Loved the talk about 3D audio. It kinda came off like they where reinventing the wheel.... but it sounded really promising and I can't wait to hear it.
Xbox one has 3D audio for headphones, plus you can test it on PC with supported games with DTS Sound Unbound (14 day trial) and get 3D spatial audio using only Stereo headphones.

For non supported games with 5.1 or whatever, they get converted but the naitive Dolby support is much better.
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I expected it to be more powerful than the x, but seems they went the more affordable route with their hardware this time around.
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That part was cool, but we have that now. The talk about actual 3D audio, that was using RayTracing to get highly accurate sound is what got me excited.
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Sounds like theoretical mumbo jumbo really. In the real world I'd wager there's not going to be much difference, if any, between the two in that regard. PCIE 4.0 level SSD speeds are a pretty significant expense over 3.0. I can't help but think that particular investment is misplaced.
Having watched a couple tech demos with games from the current gen not optimized, it's a night and day difference already.
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Having watched a couple tech demos with games from the current gen not optimized, it's a night and day difference already.
What are these tech demos and what exactly is being tested/compared?
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What are these tech demos and what exactly is being tested/compared?
Here's one.

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I've already seen that. It's a comparison between an old spinner hard drive and the new Series X NVME SSD.

My post above was about there being little or no real world difference between a PCIE 3 level NVME SSD and a PCIE 4 level NVME SSD. This holds true for pretty much everything except specific sustained sequential workloads that you'll never see with gaming.

It's a no-brainer for both next gen consoles to include NVME SSD's. I just think Sony's choice to go with one as fast as that wasn't the wisest decision.
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My post above was about there being little or no real world difference between a PCIE 3 level NVME SSD and a PCIE 4 level NVME SSD. This holds true for pretty much everything except specific sustained sequential workloads that you'll never see with gaming.
Cerny was talking about being able to load texture data faster than you can turn around and look behind you. If that's true, and devs take advantage of it, it might be a big advantage in texture quality. Instead of having to hold all of the textures in memory for a chunk of the levels, you can hold only the textures that the player is seeing on screen at that exact moment.

Of course, one can question whether texture quality is really going to be that important moving forward (as textures are already pretty sharp).
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When your in a closed system, the ability to utilize that extra bandwidth will play out. Don't forget, devs have been messing with texture streaming tech since PS2. That was pulling from a bloody DVD drive.
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I've already seen that. It's a comparison between an old spinner hard drive and the new Series X NVME SSD.

My post above was about there being little or no real world difference between a PCIE 3 level NVME SSD and a PCIE 4 level NVME SSD. This holds true for pretty much everything except specific sustained sequential workloads that you'll never see with gaming.

It's a no-brainer for both next gen consoles to include NVME SSD's. I just think Sony's choice to go with one as fast as that wasn't the wisest decision.
Ah okay I see what you were talking about now. I misunderstood the point you were making. Apologies.
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I'm all in on the PS as far as consoles go. If the 5 has decent enough BC I might do it, but right now the 4 pro handles my console needs just fine.
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Doesnt matter if the PS5 is slower than the new xbox - its down to the games at this point. The difference between those specs is not going to show a visual difference in games. PS5 has the huge advantage of Sony's exclusive titles.
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I've said it before, that I expect both xbox & playstation to make a play to take over PC gaming. This generation has the specs to run well with m+k controls. Even if each new console costs $600, I can buy both for about what I would spend on a new gaming PC.
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I've said it before, that I expect both xbox & playstation to make a play to take over PC gaming. This generation has the specs to run well with m+k controls. Even if each new console costs $600, I can buy both for about what I would spend on a new gaming PC.
It's always like that, with the exception of the current gen. Each generation the consoles are pretty powerful for what they are, but after 2 years they are already out of date (in comparison to medium-highend PC hardware).
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It's always like that, with the exception of the current gen. Each generation the consoles are pretty powerful for what they are, but after 2 years they are already out of date (in comparison to medium-highend PC hardware).
I don't think this is like any other console generation. This is the first console generation that will be targeting very solid 60fps for most games, which has been mostly the cost-of-entry for PC gaming for the last 2 decades. 60fps is critical for running with m+k controls. At 30fps it's best to stick with thumbsticks... this will be the first generation that can even attempt to take over desktop gaming.

Sure, PCs will be alot more powerful in a couple years, but that matters less and less nowadays. With 4k graphics, ray tracing, high framerates, graphics will be driving straight into the diminishing-returns territory. Especially since most studios are targeting consoles anyway, I expect most upcoming games will run fine on console-level hardware for the duration of this generation.
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If not at the start, then after one year Most games will be 4k30fps and many eventually will be below 4K upscale by checkerboard rendering.

If anyone thinks developers are going to stick with 60fps when they can increase visuals by dropping FPS or resolution then they’ve been living under a rock for the past 3 generations.

Frame rate and resolution are always the first to drop, always have, always will.
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I've said it before, that I expect both xbox & playstation to make a play to take over PC gaming. This generation has the specs to run well with m+k controls. Even if each new console costs $600, I can buy both for about what I would spend on a new gaming PC.
Quite frankly I hope both PC and console markets make huge strides and keep gaming strong. If the game I'm playing looks great and runs great then I really don't care which platform I'm using.

I'm very much of the same mind as you though. If I can get that satisfying experience for less than the cost of a new video card alone, I'll take it.

I'd sure like to see that backwards compatibility though...
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Quite frankly I hope both PC and console markets make huge strides and keep gaming strong. If the game I'm playing looks great and runs great then I really don't care which platform I'm using.

I'm very much of the same mind as you though. If I can get that satisfying experience for less than the cost of a new video card alone, I'll take it.

I'd sure like to see that backwards compatibility though...
For me it's both a matter of cost, but also a matter of simplicity. I just don't have time these days to tinker with my PC to get things to work right. There's been several times in the last few years that I set aside time to play a game, and end up tinkering with configs and such instead. I used to really enjoy the tinkering, but I just don't have time for it anymore.
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I honestly don't think that the PS5's big new SSD tech is going to be all that game changing or even noticeable on something other than their exclusives. If it is cross platform game, I doubt that most developers are going to design for two separate systems vs. go with the lowest common denominator, which is still a HUGE increase over previous gen.

As for why the Xbox or PS5 over a PC for the majority of people, simplicity. Drivers, OS updates, and all sort of things can often break a game outright. Not to mention, I still game a lot on my Xbox simply because that is where my friends are. Sure, solo games are fun and all, but there is something to be said about getting 4 or 5 of your best friends and playing until 3am...
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The presumed large size of the console might explain why they showed it standing up only. Would take up a ton of real estate next to my other consoles laying down if its truly that big.
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These are going to sell out crazy fast. If I can find one, I'll probably pick one up this fall.
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