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Old Apr 28, 2021, 07:46 AM   #1261
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They're not going to release a refresh with major changes. It'll be the same useless release that the 3000 "XT" series was; the one where they claimed major clock speed increases and that turned out to be false.

AMD has no reason to releaae Warhol (which is why they canned it), and they don't really need a refresh either. They can easily just focus on AM5 and ride out their current line-up. AMD would be stupid to drop down to 8-core and try to challenge Intel where they are superior. AMD's largest advantage is the core count, they would be making a mistake to throw that away.
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Old Apr 28, 2021, 11:01 AM   #1262
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They might refresh the IO die dropping a node from 12nm to 7nm with more cache but theres no way they will drop the core counts. They've been talking about doing it for some time after apple leaves a lot more 7nm capacity to amd when they goto 5nm. They could also up the euv 7nm on the current cpus for better clocks which probably largely matched what warhol would do on 6nm.


AM5 was maybe 6-8 months after Warhol so made little sense to do it.
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I think its more likely AMD saw rocket lake performance and the fab line shortage that they already have and said yeah we are good lets just focus on Zen 4 + AM5.

Also AMD still hasn't done zen3 based threadripper yet.

As for IO die I dont see it happening before AM5 but I do agree once AMD steps down on the CPU node it will bring the IO die to 7nm. I am really hoping we start seeing a push to give 4+ USB-C ports on mobos start taking away some of the 10+ USB-A ports we see.
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I think its more likely AMD saw rocket lake performance and the fab line shortage that they already have and said yeah we are good lets just focus on Zen 4 + AM5.

Also AMD still hasn't done zen3 based threadripper yet.

As for IO die I dont see it happening before AM5 but I do agree once AMD steps down on the CPU node it will bring the IO die to 7nm. I am really hoping we start seeing a push to give 4+ USB-C ports on mobos start taking away some of the 10+ USB-A ports we see.


me to

can't buy a 5900 or 5950 at MSRP so i will wait for Zen 4 + AM5 and get a much bigger upgrade for about the same money
and my 3800x is doing good with a 2080 ti
and i just don't have the time or patience to get a GPU or CPU in this market, i could pay Ebay prices on both but as a rule i won't go more than 5% over MSRP


and being 5nm they won't have to compete with PS5 and Xbox X for chips
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me to

can't buy a 5900 or 5950 at MSRP so i will wait for Zen 4 + AM5 and get a much bigger upgrade for about the same money
and my 3800x is doing good with a 2080 ti
and i just don't have the time or patience to get a GPU or CPU in this market, i could pay Ebay prices on both but as a rule i won't go more than 5% over MSRP


and being 5nm they won't have to compete with PS5 and Xbox X for chips
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one it isn't that big of deal going from a 3800x to the 5900x i wanted at 4k


and so that is only a year i have been waiting a year and a half to go to a movie theater
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What is the major advantage of bringing the IO die to 7 nm? As far as I can tell most of the memory speed issues Ryzen 3000/5000 have is related to the cores or IF not being able to do it, the IO die will work fine at really high memory speeds in asynchronous mode. It seems like going to 7nm might result in a small amount of power savings, but the IO die doesn't really pull that much now when it is idle.
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Ive not seen a breakdown as to what there actually is on the IO die but what if it had a layer of cache? Moreso on 7nm than 12 nm?
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https://wccftech.com/amd-warns-mothe...t-on-am4-x370/

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Unfortunately, we received AMD's warning that X370 shouldn't support Vermeer CPU.
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The attached file is BIOS and it is the last BIOS which I can provide for you in this case, please pass it to user under table.

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and it was

until 2020 not thru 2020
that stopped January 1st 2020
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until 2020 not thru 2020
that stopped January 1st 2020
I don't feel like what they promised is really the issue. If the boards are physically capable of supporting the CPU, which they are, then it's a crappy move to not allow the motherboard makers to support them.

I also think it does hurt their sales since the barrier to upgrading is higher. Granted, right now it doesn't matter since they're selling as many CPUs as they can make, but in general it provides a competitive advantage if you can upgrade without getting a new board.
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Well .. thanks for posting this.
At least it's clear now that this road with X370 / B350 is closed for upgrading to 5000 series.
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that stopped January 1st 2020
As a casual gamer I can justify upgrading from a 1700x to a 5800x if its cpu alone which boggles my mind here. AMD would gain sales. It probably doesnt gain much selling mobo components. Telling us suporting till end of 2019 or 3 generations would have been more honest than saying 2020.

But not upgrading this round means I might upgrade first gen am5... tho I feel burned by grabbing first gen am4 so and really wanted to wait for 2nd gen am5 to clear out bugs and maybe grab a couple more features like really high speed ddr5 and PCIE6...

I still feel that makes more sense even if I have to keep the 1700x till then.
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I don't feel like what they promised is really the issue. If the boards are physically capable of supporting the CPU, which they are, then it's a crappy move to not allow the motherboard makers to support them.

I also think it does hurt their sales since the barrier to upgrading is higher. Granted, right now it doesn't matter since they're selling as many CPUs as they can make, but in general it provides a competitive advantage if you can upgrade without getting a new board.
Im seeing the 5800x at msrp consistently now even slightly on sale sometimes... so cpu supply seems to being fine now unlike gpus. Id grab one stat if I had the bios.
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Old May 1, 2021, 07:03 PM   #1278
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As a casual gamer I can justify upgrading from a 1700x to a 5800x if its cpu alone which boggles my mind here. AMD would gain sales. It probably doesnt gain much selling mobo components. Telling us suporting till end of 2019 or 3 generations would have been more honest than saying 2020.

But not upgrading this round means I might upgrade first gen am5... tho I feel burned by grabbing first gen am4 so and really wanted to wait for 2nd gen am5 to clear out bugs and maybe grab a couple more features like really high speed ddr5 and PCIE6...

I still feel that makes more sense even if I have to keep the 1700x till then.
i don't think i ever upgraded a CPU on Intel without a new MB in 30 years

i have a x570 motherboard and a 3800x and was going to get a 5900x but i will wait till AM5 and buy a new MB for it as getting a 5900x now is nuts

i can get a 5800x but it isn't that big a deal over the 3800x at 4k

if i were you i would grab a 3800x new or used and wait for AM5 if you need a upgrade
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As a casual gamer I can justify upgrading from a 1700x to a 5800x if its cpu alone which boggles my mind here. AMD would gain sales. It probably doesnt gain much selling mobo components. Telling us suporting till end of 2019 or 3 generations would have been more honest than saying 2020.

But not upgrading this round means I might upgrade first gen am5... tho I feel burned by grabbing first gen am4 so and really wanted to wait for 2nd gen am5 to clear out bugs and maybe grab a couple more features like really high speed ddr5 and PCIE6...

I still feel that makes more sense even if I have to keep the 1700x till then.
Pax, I have read that it's possible to crossflash the Gigabyte X370 boards with a bios from the X470 boards. You may want to look into that if you really want to upgrade to Ryzen 5000 series. In theory with the dual bios on the boards, it should be safe to try and then simply revert to the secondary bios if it doesn't work out. Just be sure to set the jumpers on the bottom of the board so that they are set to manually select the BIOS chip, rather than letting it do it automatically (that way you always know which bios chip is being flashed, and it's also less of a hassle to switch between then manually rather then letting it fail over).

I still have a Gigabyte X370 around here which I would try it on, except that the second bios chip went bad, so I don't actually have a backup bios anymore. It happened while still under warranty, but I didn't feel like it was worth the hassle ripping the entire system apart and paying $12 shipping to RMA it when the other chip was still working. Kind of regret it now. Oh well.
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I read a bit about that but the latest bioses have chipset detection worked in by amd. So Id have to use an older bios without the fixes... I guess amd is really worried that too many people might bork and rma their cpus on the old x370 boards for them to go that far because they arent making much money on mobo sales AFAICT. Might be something we dont know...

Some guys usign asrock def did get their bioses for the x300 line and it seems fine but GB would be a crapshoot. GB forums are pretty quiet about it.

Looking for a job next fall as Im retiring from the current one this summer as Im grabbing the pension out of it. Once Im settled from that transition Ill know what kind of tech budget Ill have. While its currenlty not worth buying mobo to run new cpu and then get a pricey gpu I might not care this fall and just go for it as Ill have both a pension and hopefully job income coming in so be much better off.

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Microcenter in Michigan seems to have a lot of 5900x 549.99 and 5950x 799.99 site says 25 +
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Well let's hope they aren't shite like my 5900X that doesn't even do 1900 FCLK.
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Well let's hope they aren't shite like my 5900X that doesn't even do 1900 FCLK.
My 5950x won't do it either, though it's hard to know for sure whether it's the motherboard or the DIMMs. I don't feel like spending hours trying to figure it out, or throw parts at it either. Is what it is. 1800mhz gonna have to be enough.
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Can you link me to the sticks you are using?
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just got back from micro to pick up a 5950x, the sheet they give me to bring to the register shows a stock of 156 5950x instock. No idea about how many 5900x they have though
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just got back from micro to pick up a 5950x, the sheet they give me to bring to the register shows a stock of 156 5950x instock. No idea about how many 5900x they have though
Is there a real performance difference? Does the 5900X do 1900 FCLK for you? If yes, let me know and I will take it off your hands.
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https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-...82E16820374090
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I am wondering if I should get those as well. Prices have gone through the roof though.
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I honestly haven't tested to see if it does 1900 FCLK, I should check though, in anycase this will go back to VR/gaming machine and 5950x will replace it in the main pc.
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5900x fclk 1900 seems to work for me, i only tested cinebench, play a bit of conan exile and ran the red dead 2 benchmark no crashes
ram are these 4x8 https://www.microcenter.com/product/...C16U4W_-_White
set it to xmp and then raise the clock to 1900/3800
no changes to voltages etc or anything.

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