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Old Oct 8, 2020, 12:03 PM   #181
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People who are bitching about the $50 price increase need to learn about inflation and economics.
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So how was this release? Didn’t see anything. Cliffs?
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People who are bitching about the $50 price increase need to learn about inflation and economics.
You still have to have the product correctly compete however.
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So how was this release? Didn’t see anything. Cliffs?
Listen to the 22 minute GN recap video I posted above.
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You still have to have the product correctly compete however.
"looks at performance numbers"...
"looks at your response"...
"looks at the prices of it's competitor"...
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"looks at performance numbers"...
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The performance numbers aren't as great once you actually look at them. 19% IPC uplift to Ryzen 3, yes. But in most cases the 5900x barely out classes the 10900k. And thats at stock. We already know Ryzen 5000 will have zero OC headroom, it's already been reported its less than current gen. Which means very likely 10900k and 5900x are likely very close, with some games matching out to 5900x and likely some games going to the 10900k OCed. Performance king, yes will be the 5900X.

Now factor the 10700k and 10600k. Both perform very close to the 10900k. In fact in some benches the 10700k is equal or above a 10900k at the same OC. For $350.

So now you have the $449 5800X which is slower than the 5900x playing against the 10700k, and it's not going to win, at $100 more. We aren't even factoring the 10850k sku here.

Ryzen needed the 5800X to be at 5700X expected price/performance. Instead that sku is gone.
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I might keep the 3900X until 5na Zen 4, with a new motherboard chipset.
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I might keep the 3900X until 5na Zen 4, with a new motherboard chipset.
Kinda where I'm at, I still dont know that the upgrade is worth either direction. Might be best to just wait and do a full rebuild next round with DDR5
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On gears and cod benches for 3080 are all over the place but here at Toms HW it looks like Big Navi matches a 3090 on COD MW:


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The performance numbers aren't as great once you actually look at them. 19% IPC uplift to Ryzen 3, yes. But in most cases the 5900x barely out classes the 10900k. And thats at stock. We already know Ryzen 5000 will have zero OC headroom, it's already been reported its less than current gen. Which means very likely 10900k and 5900x are likely very close, with some games matching out to 5900x and likely some games going to the 10900k OCed. Performance king, yes will be the 5900X.

Now factor the 10700k and 10600k. Both perform very close to the 10900k. In fact in some benches the 10700k is equal or above a 10900k at the same OC. For $350.

So now you have the $449 5800X which is slower than the 5900x playing against the 10700k, and it's not going to win, at $100 more. We aren't even factoring the 10850k sku here.

Ryzen needed the 5800X to be at 5700X expected price/performance. Instead that sku is gone.
So your argument is all based on OCing the intel counter parts and/or AMD's OCing ability, which is only done by enthusiasts? weak argument!

Performance wise in gaming, we don't know if the 5800x is slower. AMD has presented a competing product across the board, the price is justified (5900x is $50 cheaper than intel's 10900k) both on that merit and the fact that with the pandemic, inflation, and the economic impact of it all.

We will see what the real world reviews show when they come out. Then we will know for sure.
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"Looks over at my 10900K"



That'll do.

So Ryzen 5000 is underwhelming and so is Big Navi at 2080Ti speeds...
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That'll do.

So Ryzen 5000 is better than Intel and a 6000 series RDNA2 card is around 2080Ti speeds...
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Well after reading a bit seems like I might be better off with a 10850K or just waiting for Skylake or whatever new Intel is going to come out.

Till then will just delid my 8086K.
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.... what?
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Need to wait for benchmark reviews but to me it looks like 5000 series may not beat Intel across the board in performance numbers, but still better in performance per dollar.

To me this makes AMD the better choice because in most cases the performance differences are so small its likely not going to be noticed in normal usage. You can pay more for Intel to get the best performance, but in reality what is that extra performance really getting you that makes it worth while in a tangible sense? I think it just equates to bragging rights at that point.
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Till then will just delid my 8086K.
If I were you a Ryzne 5900 would be awesome. Even Jay stated that after testing a 2080Ti on an 8700 and then on a 10900k he saw performance uplift. A 5900 would be great for you.
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Very nice performance increase

I probably won't be upgrading right away from my 3700X. I've already spent big bucks on a 3080 and I've got an Xbox Series X on preorder. I'll snag a 5800X or above next year sometime and milk the last of AM4 for a while.
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Hmm... the 10980XE is down to $818

Time for a completely pointless ePeen upgrade?
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Very nice performance increase

I probably won't be upgrading right away from my 3700X. I've already spent big bucks on a 3080 and I've got an Xbox Series X on preorder. I'll snag a 5800X or above next year sometime and milk the last of AM4 for a while.
I am thinking the same. I'll wait a year or two to drop in a 5000 series proc, likely the 5800X or maybe 5900X depending on cash flow. Between now and then might be some sales to get a decent discount.
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Hmm... the 10980XE is down to $818

Time for a completely pointless ePeen upgrade?
Now that is actually a great deal. So many PCIE lanes instead of this gimped garbage.
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Will have to wait for 4K numbers, But I'm betting its not going to be much faster then my 3700X at 4K. Could careless about any other resolution. Was disappointed when they were showing the 1080P nonsense. Yes I know it shows they are fast and 4K it wont.
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What's the point of 4K benchmarks if we all know the CPU isn't the limiting factor in those benchmarks.. ?? That would make their entire slide worthless from an information perspective.
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I want to know if it is worth anything to me at 4K. I'm betting not, but would like to know.
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You already know the answer deep down 4K is GPU limited unless it's a game that is strictly CPU heavy like MSFS, ArmA, CSGO, etc.
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Probably true, probably a useless upgrade for me, Save myself $600 with Tax I suppose.
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If on Ryzen 3000 series I don't see the rush to upgrade to 5000 series for gaming.

Much better to just spend the money on the new GPU.
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I think the better question is where does the 5000x make sense in what games? Single threaded or multi threaded? If we go by CSGO and LOL its such a massive single threaded leap its insane. But intel is competitive in well multi threaded games.
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As someone who runs a 1440p/60Hz monitor these performance numbers are all gravy to me anyways.

I've got all the performance I'll need for a while with a 3700X, and soon to be upgrading my GPU. This is why I don't bother with 4K. Of course its better but I don't want to always be on the bleeding edge trying to get enough performance out of highest end hardware. I'd rather be on a lower tier display with hardware that gives plenty of performance to spare.
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