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Old Jul 30, 2021, 05:11 PM   #1
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I basically need everything at this point. The only thing set in stone is I am carrying over my current PSU and I am getting a 5900x.


What do you guys recommend on motherboards, ram, and anything else.


CPU: 5900x
PSU: Already Have
GPU: 3080 already have(courtesy of acroig the 3080 Illuminati)
RAM: ??? At least 32gb
MOBO: ???
CPU Cooler: ???
Decent M2 Drive: ???
Case: Subjective but mid tower


I want this system to last another 4-5 years-ish like my current system so I dont mind paying more for something if it will last longer and make sense.
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Old Jul 30, 2021, 05:18 PM   #2
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Old Jul 30, 2021, 05:33 PM   #3
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You can hit up KAC for a slightly used Arctic Freezer II.

Don't know much about the AMD stuff but I do know that Motherboard and RAM are a tricky thing. If it were me, I'd settle on a Motherboard first and then look at their documentation about what ram works with that board.

As far as the m.2... I went with Samsung and I love it.
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Samsung all day for drive. Their data tool alone is worth it.

Waiting for Nunz to recommend a $400 mobo.
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Old Jul 30, 2021, 06:41 PM   #5
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Wait until October for AlderLake. At a minimum, good price reduction on AMD's overpriced chips right now, and you can consider snagging the new platform with DDR5 and PCIE5.0.

Crucial makes great SSDs. I've used them exclusively and never had an issue, also great pricing compared to Samsung. Samsung decided to charge a ton for the 980 PRO even though it's a TLC drive, not an MLC like the 970 Pro. Unless you're moving a ton of data, any normal TLC drive will do. I wouldn't go with a QLC though.

CPU cooler.. either Arctic Liquid Freezer II or EK AIO.

For case, I'd check out Phanteks "P" series for great airflow. You'll want a case with some mesh panels to have a nice open flow of movement.

If you decide to stick with AMD and the 5900X, even though the platform is dead and you're buying something you won't really be able to upgrade from without a full platform change (not counting the chips they're releasing that just have more cache..) then go for DDR4 no higher than 3600 with CAS latency no higher than 16. You can tweak from there. Good luck with the FCLK game on a Ryzen..
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Wait until October for AlderLake. At a minimum, good price reduction on AMD's overpriced chips right now, and you can consider snagging the new platform with DDR5 and PCIE5.0.
Yeah, this close to new platforms. I would wait, if you've waited this long.
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Old Jul 30, 2021, 08:02 PM   #7
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I dont mind going to a dead platform, its not like when something new comes out in completely invalidates how what I have performs. I am no longer at the point of needing the absolute bleeding edge of technology.


I am ready to purchase now so Im probably going to stay with the 5900x and get this over with. I dont plan on upgrading anything in the computer, except video cards, over time just like my current system. A more of a get the best I want to pay for now and let it ride out til I need something new.


Also I forgot to mention I dont plan on messing with timings and overclocking anything so the system will be straight stock. I dont have the time or patience to want to deal with any of that stuff either.
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Crucial makes great SSDs. I've used them exclusively and never had an issue, also great pricing compared to Samsung. Samsung decided to charge a ton for the 980 PRO even though it's a TLC drive, not an MLC like the 970 Pro. Unless you're moving a ton of data, any normal TLC drive will do. I wouldn't go with a QLC though.
The Pro seems to have an issue when TLC cache is full. Read speeds stay around the 7000MB/s mark but write speeds drop to ~2500MB/s (and half that on 500GB model). Leaving system idle for a while clears the cache, if you're lucky.. Updating firmware seemed to fix it, but it's back again after some time.

I just installed a vanilla 980 (Gen3) for storage drive and read and write are 3500/3000 MB/s respectively.
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5900x OR 11900K
X570 Tomahawk or Aorus Master (Rev 2) OR Z590 Tomahawk or Aorus Ultra or TUF or Strix E
32 GB GSkill 3600/3800 CL14 OR 32 GB GSkill 4000 CL14
Corsair H150i Elite Capilex 360
Seagate Firecuda 530 (whatever is the PCIe 4 version) or Sabrent Rocket PCIe 4 or Corsair Force PCIe 4 version
Phanteks P500A or Corsair 5000D Air flow or Lian Li O11 XL
Fans Arctic P12 RGB fans or Lian Li Uni SL fans or Corsair LL120s or if you like the ugly Noctua A12x25

Both AMD and Intel options. Anything left to right is more expensive. I would stay away from Samsung 980 Pro drives.

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Well with the new parts on the way over the next 12 months, you may be better off waiting. But then again it doesn't always mean lower costs for the items you want, only the crap you'd never buy seems to get cheaper now.

I'll let everybody else chime in for everything else, except for the memory. I have 2 laptops (other than the shitty ones work gave me that I have to use to remote in) the old one has 32GB and the new one 64GB.

The 32 hits that several times a day, more if I've got a shite load of browser tabs open. The 64 almost never. So 32 is good right? Nope, if you plan on keeping the new build for several years you know the cost of DDR4 memory is going up as soon as DDR5 is mainstream. Get as much as you can now, or at least plan it so you can max out your system without replacing the memory you have now. (I know you know this)

I'm still kicking myself that I didn't fill up a few free desktops I got from work at their switch over. Going from 4GB to 8 or 16 now actually costs far more than just parting out the systems and moving on.

So take what KAC says for memory, but slower with better timings and double it. Or 4x it if you have the budget.

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I doubt anyone wants to copy 50 Gs in one go. However, I do think if you want to cheap out then any Gen 3 SSD with 3-4 G read / 2.5-3 G write is good enough. My personal pick would be crucial P5 or something. Good drives, mostly reliable and quite in expensive.

There have been too many dead 980 Pro or overheating 980 Pro cases that I have read which deter me from Samsung this time. I am a huge proponent of Samsung drives but when an SSD dies you are really SOL. So yeah I didn’t risk it.
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I'll have a chance later today to pick some parts off Newegg and give you links, going off the fact you are sticking with a 5900X.
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For the case I have been leaning towards the Corsair 680x. I like the hidden side and its the spiritual successor the air series that I have now.


https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego.../CC-9011168-WW


Was thinking of the o11 Lian Li as well. Ill entertain anything with a side where I can hide all the bullshit wiring.
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No clue how you can call a case high airflow while putting glass panels in front of fans. That's some marketing stupidity.
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No clue how you can call a case high airflow while putting glass panels in front of fans. That's some marketing stupidity.

Watch the promo video


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Seems kinda of a meh case for temps and airflow. You can do allot better in every aspect.
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I haven't deep dug yet the other option is the lian li o11 which seems slightly more elegant for less price.
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That's your better case right there.
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I'm a big fan of Lian Li o11's bottom to top airflow design, seems to work better than any other case I've used.
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I find it crazy that there are three intake fans, and one exhaust. Unless you want high pressure in your case, that exhaust needs to be 3x as powerful as the intakes.
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Generally you do want positive pressure in your case, it keeps the dust out.

On my Lian Li I have 6 intake (bottom+side) and 3 exhaust (top)
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If you still want to go corsair, buy the 4000 or 5000d.

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I already put the best choices in the thread. Dude literally needs to order them and will get them in 2 days and have a ready computer.
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RAM - G.Skill 3600CL16 @ 1.35v: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-...-861-_-Product

It's not B-Die, but doesn't matter since you won't OC it. 3600Mhz on the mem will work well running 1:1 with your infinity fabric on the 5900X.

If you want to tweak, and won't just enable XMP/DOHC and leave it alone, then this kit is B-Die and will very likely do CL14 @ 3800+, however this requires manually tweaking the Infinity Fabric and the RAM and making sure both are stable. Most Ryzen chips struggle to run 1:1 @ 3800, so good luck .. IMO, price is not worth the marginal performance increase. 3600CL16 will be more than enough : https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-...quicklink=true



Mobo: ASUS B550 STRIX-F https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-stri...quicklink=true

That board is ~$20 more expensive than the non-WIFI version, so if you have no use for wireless, then go with the non-WIFI version for $178. I don't see a reason for you to get an X570 board since you won't be able to tweak much on the Ryzen, and you don't plan on using a ton of expansion slots (multiple NVME, etc).

CPU Cooler: https://www.newegg.com/p/37B-000B-00...quicklink=true

It's between the EK AIO, and the Arctic Liquid Freezer II. I couldn't find any "Sold by Newegg" of the Arctic 360mm, so I linked the EK AIO. You can choose between the two; both are very comparable but are the best AIOs on the market.

SSD: https://www.newegg.com/crucial-2tb-p...quicklink=true

Crucial P5 2TB. Great size, great price. The benefits of PCIE4.0 NVME drives are not worth the insane cost - you'd have to get a much smaller driver for the price, and the speed increase of PCIE3.0 drives to PCIE4.0 is so extremely slim in real-world use that it's not worth it. I've ran a ton of the Crucial SSDs (I had a P1, a P2, and now the same P5 2TB above) and they've all been rock solid. Never had an issue, quick, and great pricing. Prices of SSDs are on the rise right now, usually the 2TB wouldn't even be $289..

Case: https://www.newegg.com/white-phantek...quicklink=true

There's a lot of choices here. Phanteks P500A Airflow is linked above - great case, mesh front panel for excellent airflow, good design for covering cables while not sacrificing performance/nosie.

If you're looking to go slightly bigger, then:

https://www.newegg.com/black-phantek...quicklink=true

Enthoo Pro 2 - lots of expandability, options for custom watercooling down the road, tons of space to make it easy to work in, and mesh front panel for airflow.

https://www.newegg.com/black-fractal...quicklink=true

Fractal Design Meshify S2 - Not a huge fan of Fractal, but the S2 Meshify has always had good performance.

Essentially, any case you look at .. if you see glass panels in front of fans, do not buy it.
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Nice list Nunz. Props for the explanations
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