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Old Nov 5, 2020, 11:25 AM   #421
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not when you add in amd smart access memory

Ya this is important not so much for more fps as for world building games. Its the same principle as the tech in the PS5 that was demoed. Highly detailed worlds with no load zones.

Its enough to sell me on a mobo/cpu combo.
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I will believe that when I see reviews with 4K results.
Like I said, show me the money....

May make more sense @ 1440p though....
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Old Nov 5, 2020, 11:55 AM   #425
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It sucks that direct storage isn't coming to pc this year, we might have better graphics cards and cpus than the new consoles, but the consoles will have super short load times.
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Old Nov 5, 2020, 11:55 AM   #426
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This has burned me ever since they said no online purchasing for the 3080, totally stupid.
I'm glad they didn't do online purchasing. Letting bots snag up every card was ****. At least Microcenter ****ed that up for them.

They've done **** the right way. Best Buy should have done the same.
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I'm glad they didn't do online purchasing. Letting bots snag up every card was ****. At least Microcenter ****ed that up for them.

They've done **** the right way. Best Buy should have done the same.
They both could have done same thing EVGA did, put people in a queue for the product they wanted.
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What's the point of having a store then? Maybe I don't want to sit playing the F5 game all day. There's plenty of options already if you want to do that.
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Still a few left but they are slowly going down, 5600X at my microcenter location will be gone soon.
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The 5950X looks fantastic but I'm going to wait for AM5 to do a full rebuild. If AMD can rip this much performance out of AM4, dear God I can't wait to see what they do next year.
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Thinking about cancelling my 5800X after that review.
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The 5950X looks fantastic but I'm going to wait for AM5 to do a full rebuild. If AMD can rip this much performance out of AM4, dear God I can't wait to see what they do next year.
We need Graphics cards to pick up the pace for gaming as all that power just goes to waste if your main purpose is gaming.
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Thinking about cancelling my 5800X after that review.
You game at 1440 so there are gains for you, I don't do anything other then 4k so the upgrade is useless for even my 3700X.
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Only Anandtech as far as I have seen so far is actually, you know Testing the bloody CPU and not the GPU.

They dropped resolution as low as 360p which basically fully decouples the GPU from the equation as much as possible.
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Only Anandtech as far as I have seen so far is actually, you know Testing the bloody CPU and not the GPU.

They dropped resolution as low as 360p which basically fully decouples the GPU from the equation as much as possible.
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nice to see more places need to do this.

I see way way to many people arguing it's pointless to test at low resolutions, even saying 1080p is pointless that everything should be tested at 1440p and 4k.

Try to point out to them it becomes a bottleneck GPU test then and they don't get it, even after showing 4k gaming charts going back to like the 2600k and how little difference there is.

CPU test not GPU

They still don't get it.
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nice to see more places need to do this.

I see way way to many people arguing it's pointless to test at low resolutions, even saying 1080p is pointless that everything should be tested at 1440p and 4k.

Try to point out to them it becomes a bottleneck GPU test then and they don't get it, even after showing 4k gaming charts going back to like the 2600k and how little difference there is.

CPU test not GPU

They still don't get it.
People are focused on their use cases not arbitrary bullshit that they will never attempt.
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Looks like AMD finally focused on bringing actual benefit to home users who do a little photo and video editing as well as general usage and gaming. Looks like the 5900X will be about 5% to 10% faster than an overclocked 10900K at gaming. It's nice to see AMD actually push the PC gaming industry forward for a change.

I usually buy a new CPU when my current CPU becomes the bottleneck in my system, so buying a CPU that is 10% faster at 1080P just means that it will last longer before eventually bottlenecking the system at 4K in a few years vs the 10% slower chip. You get more for your money and AMD is now offering performance leadership in all areas of the PC on a platform that is fairly stable. It's prices have creeped up but that is what happens when the competition isn't doing much in terms of core counts. Either way AMD is clearly the "go to" chip manufacturer for PC gaming at the moment as there is no point in paying similar money for a chip that is 10% slower than the 5900X from Intel.
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Guys any good reviews to read through. I love the techpowerup reviews which basically state that I will lose performance of about 1% going with this 5800X at 1440P since 5800X OC vs stock 8700K is like 1.3% difference. I get about 2-3% higher performance than stock using a 8086K @ 4.9 GHz.

Really am not seeing the point of throwing away $1000 right now. Someone convince me otherwise.
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Guys any good reviews to read through. I love the techpowerup reviews which basically state that I will lose performance of about 1% going with this 5800X at 1440P since 5800X OC vs stock 8700K is like 1.3% difference. I get about 2-3% higher performance than stock using a 8086K @ 4.9 GHz.

Really am not seeing the point of throwing away $1000 right now. Someone convince me otherwise.
If you remain GPU bottlenecked at the resolution you play at then there is no real point in upgrading. If you are bottlenecked by your current CPU then buy the fastest CPU you can afford at the moment to replace it.
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Looks like AMD finally focused on bringing actual benefit to home users who do a little photo and video editing as well as general usage and gaming. Looks like the 5900X will be about 5% to 10% faster than an overclocked 10900K at gaming. It's nice to see AMD actually push the PC gaming industry forward for a change.

I usually buy a new CPU when my current CPU becomes the bottleneck in my system, so buying a CPU that is 10% faster at 1080P just means that it will last longer before eventually bottlenecking the system at 4K in a few years vs the 10% slower chip. You get more for your money and AMD is now offering performance leadership in all areas of the PC on a platform that is fairly stable. It's prices have creeped up but that is what happens when the competition isn't doing much in terms of core counts. Either way AMD is clearly the "go to" chip manufacturer for PC gaming at the moment as there is no point in paying similar money for a chip that is 10% slower than the 5900X from Intel.
Where are you seeing 5-10%? Link to review?
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Guys any good reviews to read through. I love the techpowerup reviews which basically state that I will lose performance of about 1% going with this 5800X at 1440P since 5800X OC vs stock 8700K is like 1.3% difference. I get about 2-3% higher performance than stock using a 8086K @ 4.9 GHz.

Really am not seeing the point of throwing away $1000 right now. Someone convince me otherwise.
If that's the only difference your seeing in reviews cancel it, I'm not going to throw away $300 because there is no difference at 4K.
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Where are you seeing 5-10%? Link to review?
Sorry, I was going by Gamer's Nexus review of the 5950X. Now that I went to techpowerup and checked the 5900X review I see that it's not as powerful as the 5950X at gaming so I was wrong for jumping to conclusions.

According to techpowerup the 5900X is still slower than my 2 year old 9900K. God dam that sucks. I thought AMD finally decided to push PC gaming forward instead of releasing a CPU late that is content to keep up with old Intel tech that has been out for years. That's disappointing. Looks like you will have to spend $750 for a chip with a bunch of cores you will never use to beat Intel's 2 year old 9900K at gaming.
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Sorry, I was going by Gamer's Nexus review of the 5950X. Now that I went to techpowerup and checked the 5900X review I see that it's not as powerful as the 5950X at gaming so I was wrong for jumping to conclusions.

According to techpowerup the 5900X is still slower than my 2 year old 9900K. God dam that sucks. I thought AMD finally decided to push PC gaming forward instead of releasing a CPU late that is content to keep up with old Intel tech that has been out for years. That's disappointing.
If you want to spend Intel type money for the real upgrade then it is there with the 5950X. Hell the $300 5600X keeps up and beats the 10900K many times.
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But my 8086K already beats a stock 10850K in gaming (with the default 5.1 boost). I bench higher for almost all games compared to reviews with exception of Gears 5 which I can’t figure out what I am doing wrong.

Compared to an OC 10850K I am about 4-6% behind based on game. Also everyone is saying overclocking the 5900X doesn’t mean anything. Plus I ordered a 5800X and not a 5900X which has 4 less cores for 100 bucks less. So I am not feeling too hot about that as well.
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The 9900K was $500 2 years ago. The 5900X is $550 and still can't beat it according to techpowerup. You can buy a 9900K for $390 now but I wouldn't recommend it now that it's two years old.
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But my 8086K already beats a stock 10850K in gaming (with the default 5.1 boost). I bench higher for almost all games compared to reviews with exception of Gears 5 which I can’t figure out what I am doing wrong.

Compared to an OC 10850K I am about 4-6% behind based on game. Also everyone is saying overclocking the 5900X doesn’t mean anything. Plus I ordered a 5800X and not a 5900X which has 4 less cores for 100 bucks less. So I am not feeling too hot about that as well.
Looks like a waste of money to me. I'd wait for something better if I were in your shoes.
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Old Nov 5, 2020, 02:37 PM   #448
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Hmm, I just need to see 1 more review that does proper gaming benches. None of that 1080P bullshit that I don’t care about.

Thanks for the advice. I am 1 click away from cancelling my order.
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Hmm, I just need to see 1 more review that does proper gaming benches. None of that 1080P bullshit that I don’t care about.

Thanks for the advice. I am 1 click away from cancelling my order.
did you read the computerbase review link i posted? they have tests at 4k

so does guru3d
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According to techpowerup the 5900X is still slower than my 2 year old 9900K. God dam that sucks. I thought AMD finally decided to push PC gaming forward instead of releasing a CPU late that is content to keep up with old Intel tech that has been out for years. That's disappointing. Looks like you will have to spend $750 for a chip with a bunch of cores you will never use to beat Intel's 2 year old 9900K at gaming.
Wait, what?

You can't actually still be trying to make this argument. You would have to be the most blatant biased blinded fanboy in existence if this is real.
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