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Old Dec 10, 2020, 12:09 AM   #301
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I was just typing most of what Nunz just said so I'll echo that. For the same price as a 6800XT a 3080 simply has more features that allow it to give a better visual quality.

Assuming you can find one to buy one of course.
The one thing I think the 3080 has over the 6800 XT is DLSS, and DLSS also means it has usable ray tracing (without RT the need for DLSS isn't that great since you generally are already getting enough performance). AMD really needs to come out with their answer to that ASAP. Especially if it can be universally used, even if it is a bit lower quality, it would offer a good alternative.

The lower base RT performance (excluding DLSS) is not a plus, but at this point RT games are still so few and far between that I'm not sure it matters that much, especially if the 6800 XT is cheaper and more efficient (granted right now the AIB cards are not cheaper, but then again everything is out of stock and being scalped anyway).
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I managed to get a 6800 XT and 5600X into my cart, but couldn't bring myself to go through with the purchase. The problem is I don't actually want a 5600X, but instead a 5900X, and I didn't really want a reference 6800 XT.



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Old Dec 10, 2020, 01:22 AM   #303
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I managed to get a 6800 XT and 5600X into my cart, but couldn't bring myself to go through with the purchase. The problem is I don't actually want a 5600X, but instead a 5900X, and I didn't really want a reference 6800 XT.
Id have grabbed the 6800xt ref as its prized by water cooler enthusiasts apparently and its going out of production soon. If only to make a few bucks on the side to help pay for a pricier AIB/6900xt.

One rumor has it that SR/DLSS for amd is coming out with the 6700xt. I guess we'll see.

Really thought it would have been out for CP2077 but its probably not an easy thing to program for.
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i think i'd rather have the reference to make the price difference worth it, with aib 6800xt are expensive, even more then some aib 3080
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Id have grabbed the 6800xt ref as its prized by water cooler enthusiasts
Well shoot I hope so. This 6800xt reference gigabyte card, supposedly going to ship in a couple days if amazon is to be believed, cost 149 over every other one out there. But it's the one I could get.

Maybe in April or whenever I can get a 6900xt AIB I can re-sell this and get some of my cost back.

This 5500xt is not a bad little gpu, but it most def is not up to anything over 1080p.
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The one thing I think the 3080 has over the 6800 XT is DLSS, and DLSS also means it has usable ray tracing (without RT the need for DLSS isn't that great since you generally are already getting enough performance). AMD really needs to come out with their answer to that ASAP. Especially if it can be universally used, even if it is a bit lower quality, it would offer a good alternative.

The lower base RT performance (excluding DLSS) is not a plus, but at this point RT games are still so few and far between that I'm not sure it matters that much, especially if the 6800 XT is cheaper and more efficient (granted right now the AIB cards are not cheaper, but then again everything is out of stock and being scalped anyway).
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The one thing I think the 3080 has over the 6800 XT is DLSS, and DLSS also means it has usable ray tracing (without RT the need for DLSS isn't that great since you generally are already getting enough performance). AMD really needs to come out with their answer to that ASAP. Especially if it can be universally used, even if it is a bit lower quality, it would offer a good alternative.

The lower base RT performance (excluding DLSS) is not a plus, but at this point RT games are still so few and far between that I'm not sure it matters that much, especially if the 6800 XT is cheaper and more efficient (granted right now the AIB cards are not cheaper, but then again everything is out of stock and being scalped anyway).
Nvidia has far more than one thing.
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AIB 6900xt's out Dec 17th?


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Available starting December 17, 2020.
They recommend a 900w ps for this puppy.
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They recommend a 900w ps for this puppy.
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Theres a liquid devil also coming so Im sure that one will need a 1000w or more ps...
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Theres a liquid devil also coming so Im sure that one will need a 1000w or more ps...
How much will that be?
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, where's Bill? He needs a better room heater in Phoenix and his own solar electric array.
bet it won't need it or use those 3 - 8 pin plugs and will still suck less power than a stock 3090

and i'm still set up for SLI/CFX and have a 1200 & 1050 watt PSU's


we need SLI/CFX back with 2077 killing all single GPU's
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Where are the 6800 XT in the stocks?? I need a 6800XT so badly since i already played Cp2077 last night. I managed got a 40-50 FPS at 1440p, but graphic still looks good with a right tweak settings. I definitely need a better gpu.
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Where are the 6800 XT in the stocks?? I need a 6800XT so badly since i already played Cp2077 last night. I managed got a 40-50 FPS at 1440p, but graphic still looks good with a right tweak settings. I definitely need a better gpu.
AMD or NV they are all on ebay
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Sad but true.... f'ing scalpers.
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seems to be lots of 6900 xt's on ebay


1750 to 2k
Saw an article where Ebay are starting to clamp down on 6800/6900 sales as people are actually selling PICTURES of the cards instead of the real thing because they don't actually have the cards. Of course this costs Ebay money in refunds so their not happy. One guy even bought a PS5 for $900 and received a PS5 fake box with a breeze box in it. Again Ebay compensated him. Any idiot who buys off those kind of sites get what they deserve IMHO.

You can easily buy the 3090 now in the UK which is what I did last night for USD 1,600 but bottled it this morning when it went to packing and shipping and cancelled it. A stupid frustrated impulse buy but common sense kicked in. I scratched the itch I'm happy now.
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All of the Elites that have been ordered have shipped from Taiwan (where they are made) plus more (yes, even if you ordered one minute ago; welcome. We’ve been chronicling our ups and downs in these updates all year).

If you have recently joined us, please know that because air shipping costs skyrocketed to 3-7x their normal values earlier in the year due to COVID-19, we must ship Elites from Taiwan by ocean freight, which takes about 2-3 weeks.

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Once we have fulfilled our pre-orders, our retailers have the greenlight to start selling.

Linus Tech Tips Review!

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Linus Tech Tips: Water Cooling Performance for Half the Price

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IceGiant is a 2-person operation, and we’ve been hustling and grinding and pivoting and problem-solving just to keep the lights on, and now, finally, we have all of the pre-ordered Elites made, packaged, and shipped.

It is beyond exasperating that the last hurdle to get Elites delivered is outside our control, and we know how disappointed people are (and rightfully so). To those that are waiting for their Elite, humbly, we ask for your continued patience.

Also, if you’ve got a connection to Santa, please remind him that all we want for Christmas is getting Elites delivered!





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Old Dec 10, 2020, 10:06 PM   #320
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Well shoot I hope so. This 6800xt reference gigabyte card, supposedly going to ship in a couple days if amazon is to be believed, cost 149 over every other one out there. But it's the one I could get.

Maybe in April or whenever I can get a 6900xt AIB I can re-sell this and get some of my cost back.

This 5500xt is not a bad little gpu, but it most def is not up to anything over 1080p.
Not likely or for sure dont count on it, I had a 3080 ordered from them and the date came and went without them updating it till after the day it was suppose to be delivered, that one I ended up canceling.
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Nagorak won the lottery and shredded the ticket.

Should have scalped them both.
Probably should have tried to buy and passed them on to someone from the forum who needed one. Oh well.

Honestly, who knows if I'd actually have been able to get through check out anyway.
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What else do they have?
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What else do they have?
Better drivers (especially with VR titles)
Better Geforce games program
Better RT performance (even without DLSS)
Better streaming support and tools
Better ancillary tools like shadow play and ansel
Better pricing on AIB boards (for RTX 3080 series)
Better Geforce Now program plus ecosystem with NV Shield

I can go on but you get the point. It is not only foolish to buy a Radeon rather

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Not likely or for sure dont count on it, I had a 3080 ordered from them and the date came and went without them updating it till after the day it was suppose to be delivered, that one I ended up canceling.
Yah it's not a done deal until it's done. It hasn't shipped yet and it's 'arriving dec 12-14' supposedly lol
Wouldn't surprise me if it slips into lala land, though they have moved the date up at least once which tends to imply they think stock is going to be there.

Someone on a discord channel offered to sell me a sapphire at his cost plus 5% which was reasonable. Even sent me a picture, and a picture of his order receipt from amazon. Got to the point of paying for it and he just suddenly had some family emergency and disappeared, hasn't been back since.
So yah, another dead end there.

Been difficult for people who can't camp the comp or microcenter to get anything so I'm in that boat.
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In normal times Henkleman’s statement about AMD keeping on producing MBA 6800/XT would be great news. In these times its can be construed as being somewhat disconcerting. AMD have traditionally sold their MBA cards for an exclusive period of time and then backed off and let the AIB partners sell everything else. I had to wait 6-8 weeks to get my Sapphire Pulse and that was fine as I was prepared to wait for the AIB cards to launch.

Now, two weeks after the AIB launch every single board partner appears to have no stock in the channel. There aren’t even ETA’s and prices available to display. Now there is a rumour doing the rounds that AMD are trying to charge exorbitant prices for the chips to the point the AIB partners margins are virtually wafer thin.

If that’s true it could explain two things. Firstly, why the board partners are still heavily promoting older products because they’re not making the new cards yet. Secondly AMD are acutely aware there is no stock of 6800/6900XT in the retail channel and have therefore reversed their decision to stop making MBA cards as they need to sell the new cards.

Previously I and many other AMD owners were delayed sales waiting for the AIB cards, however, given the current circumstances there could be a lot of AMD owners like me who will now consider a 3600/3700/3080 (if they can get one ) and hence we become lost sales.

The other worry is the deafening silence from both AMD & the board partners. If they are having trouble shipping the cards and some are stuck in the ports as is now widely accepted why not shout it from the rooftops. Attached is a guide to how to react to a crisis. https://www.commpro.biz/the-golden-r...is-management/. AMD have currently done none of them and that’s a little worrying. You only need to see how Nvidia and their board partners have responded to their own launch issues. They seem to have read the crisis manual and AMD haven’t.

This is not a rant against AMD, I’m only trying to stimulate a discussion as to what’s going on and how this has managed to arrive where it’s at. Maybe Riptide is right and the main issue is they simply couldn't cope with releasing the consoles, Zen 3 and RDNA 2 in in such a short window. They had total control over two of those launches and might have been forced into a corner with the consoles. Who knows?
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In normal times Henkleman’s statement about AMD keeping on producing MBA 6800/XT would be great news. In these times its can be construed as being somewhat disconcerting. AMD have traditionally sold their MBA cards for an exclusive period of time and then backed off and let the AIB partners sell everything else. I had to wait 6-8 weeks to get my Sapphire Pulse and that was fine as I was prepared to wait for the AIB cards to launch.

Now, two weeks after the AIB launch every single board partner appears to have no stock in the channel. There aren’t even ETA’s and prices available to display. Now there is a rumour doing the rounds that AMD are trying to charge exorbitant prices for the chips to the point the AIB partners margins are virtually wafer thin.

If that’s true it could explain two things. Firstly, why the board partners are still heavily promoting older products because they’re not making the new cards yet. Secondly AMD are acutely aware there is no stock of 6800/6900XT in the retail channel and have therefore reversed their decision to stop making MBA cards as they need to sell the new cards.

Previously I and many other AMD owners were delayed sales waiting for the AIB cards, however, given the current circumstances there could be a lot of AMD owners like me who will now consider a 3600/3700/3080 (if they can get one ) and hence we become lost sales.

The other worry is the deafening silence from both AMD & the board partners. If they are having trouble shipping the cards and some are stuck in the ports as is now widely accepted why not shout it from the rooftops. Attached is a guide to how to react to a crisis. https://www.commpro.biz/the-golden-r...is-management/. AMD have currently done none of them and that’s a little worrying. You only need to see how Nvidia and their board partners have responded to their own launch issues. They seem to have read the crisis manual and AMD haven’t.

This is not a rant against AMD, I’m only trying to stimulate a discussion as to what’s going on and how this has managed to arrive where it’s at. Maybe Riptide is right and the main issue is they simply couldn't cope with releasing the consoles, Zen 3 and RDNA 2 in in such a short window. They had total control over two of those launches and might have been forced into a corner with the consoles. Who knows?
Dont think AMD can do in 3 weeks what it took Nvidia 3 months to fix.
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Dont think AMD can do in 3 weeks what it took Nvidia 3 months to fix.
Agreed valid point. However, launch day +1 and Nvidia were straight out with an apology and a reason for the issues. Asus followed on launch day +2 with an apology both classic crisis management responses. Nvidia followed that up with the jacket and the CFO addressing the issues at their earnings call and publicly stating what the issues were in the supply chain and they were working hard to fix them.

The CFO even went granular saying poor yields and substrate issues were a major contributor. They also gave a date of March where they thought supply would meet demand. Fantastic information and a time line for us to understand.

Two weeks after the AIB launch and we've heard no apologies from anyone at AMD or the AIB partners about their being absolutely no stock of 6800/6900 AIB cards in the retail channel. I'm on AMD facebook, AMD community and Sapphire Nation and if people thought I was ranting last week take a look on there. Pure vitriol. Again a classic failure by not addressing social media. And where's Frank Azor hiding? Surely as VP of Gaming he should be front and center dealing with these issues. All anyone's heard is he's "taking a leave of absence from Twitter"

So no apologies, no reasons why and no timeline from AMD on this matter. Having spoken to retailers they have no shipping dates or even prices. Look what Scan Computers UK say on their front page.."At this time we will not be taking pre-orders for (AMD) cards as we are unable to give any estimates on wait times." Riptide mentioned Micro Centre staff laughed when he mentioned availability of AMD cards. Something is definitely not right with this situation and one conclusion that could be drawn is AMD are covering up something more serious than just supply issues. Just my 2c's.
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where have NV fixed it

you can't buy a NV card either at any store

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Bill from what I've seen on Falco there's been more stock of nV cards than Radeon cards. All of said stock goes in seconds but it is there.
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