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Old Oct 22, 2007, 01:56 PM   #1
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Default ++ Official Radeon 3850/3870 Rumor Thread ++

Needed a thread for this specifically, Sound's thread got off track too much. No flaming or anything in this thread please, lets just TRY to make it a nice discussion. So far we have 2 cards that will be launched on November 15th:



Radeon 3870:
775Mhz Core (64/16/16)
2250Mhz-2400Mhz GDDR4 (72-76.8GB/s)
512MB
Dual slot
$220
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Radeon 3850:
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1650-1800Mhz GDDR3 (25.8-57.6GB/s)
256/512MB
Single Slot
$180-200
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Old Oct 22, 2007, 02:32 PM   #2
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Why same ROP/TMUs?
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Single slot cooler for the XT?

No one is producing decent aftermarket DHES coolers anymore, were there any for the HD2900?

I wouldn't care too much if I could buy an XT with a single slot cooler, if I knew that a decent double slotter was coming out from Arctic Cooling or some other company.

My one wish was that the XT would come with a dual slot cooler, mainly for overclocking etc.
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Single slot cooler for the XT?

No one is producing decent aftermarket DHES coolers anymore, were there any for the HD2900?

I wouldn't care too much if I could buy an XT with a single slot cooler, if I knew that a decent double slotter was coming out from Arctic Cooling or some other company.

My one wish was that the XT would come with a dual slot cooler, mainly for overclocking etc.
Chill out, SSXeon probably just guess if it's single slot cooler XT or not...Who know?
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Single slot cooler for the XT?

No one is producing decent aftermarket DHES coolers anymore, were there any for the HD2900?

I wouldn't care too much if I could buy an XT with a single slot cooler, if I knew that a decent double slotter was coming out from Arctic Cooling or some other company.

My one wish was that the XT would come with a dual slot cooler, mainly for overclocking etc.
I see a dual slot....?
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I see a dual slot....?
Fud is saying atis will be single slot, AIBs can use whatever they want.
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Who the hell knows ati is being really tight lipped about this card.
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and in our graphics processor business, we will launch the RV 670, the world's first 55 nanometer GPU in the fourth quarter.
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Looking ahead, customer and end user anticipation is growing for our upcoming Spider platform, the ultimate gaming enthusiast platform featuring AMD Phenom processors, RD 790 chipsets and RV 670 graphics cards. The Spider platform is proof positive of AMD's commitment to deliver the ultimate visual experience and remains on track for launch in November.

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Based on the upcoming release of the RV 670, we're pretty bullish about being able to participate in a bigger and more profitable piece of the business.


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On the RV 670 question, when we launch the product we anticipate doing so with cards available in channels and therefore, we will drive revenue in the quarter. Obviously, with a mid-quarter launch and on a quarter-billion revenue basis, that's not going to contribute materially to the quarter but it will provide some upside.
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Customers are going to love it.

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i think it will be HD3850 vs 8800GT and HD3870 vs new 8800GTS

it would make sense because why would nvidia release a new GTS if ATI's HD3870 is 'only' a mid-range card.

plus from what i've heard about the new GTS it will have the same amount of memory (512MB) as the HD3870. while HD3850/8800GT will come in both 256 and 512 versions.
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There will also be a third HD38x0 card if I'm correct. HD3830 most probably.
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There will also be a third HD38x0 card if I'm correct. HD3830 most probably.
Actully I saw somnething about a HD 3830.

http://www.xtremehardware.it/content/view/989/82/
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http://media.bestofmicro.com/Y/X/530...2RV670spec.jpg


Read/write multi-sample on surfaces is listed as something new here I think compared to the 2900 -- does anyone know what this means exactly?


There are other things that may help DirectX 10.1.
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i think it will be HD3850 vs 8800GT and HD3870 vs new 8800GTS

it would make sense because why would nvidia release a new GTS if ATI's HD3870 is 'only' a mid-range card.

plus from what i've heard about the new GTS it will have the same amount of memory (512MB) as the HD3870. while HD3850/8800GT will come in both 256 and 512 versions.
Are we not going to see a new GPU architecture from nV this holiday season but only refreshes of existing designs (will be 1 year old by Christmas)?
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i think it will be HD3850 vs 8800GT and HD3870 vs new 8800GTS

it would make sense because why would nvidia release a new GTS if ATI's HD3870 is 'only' a mid-range card.

plus from what i've heard about the new GTS it will have the same amount of memory (512MB) as the HD3870. while HD3850/8800GT will come in both 256 and 512 versions.
Don't forget 8800GT, which isn't a slouch, either, and that might be a factor.

The RAM size doesn't necessarily mean Gladiator is the superior card, anyway. nVidia probably just wants a little variation.
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I know Wiki is not the voice of truth, but still its gathers up the info that people post on the web.
So i thought i might be good to have.

LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_RV670
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Apparently the 8800GT will beat the RV670 in benchmark tests *not fact mind you, merely a rumour from Fud.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=3769&Itemid=1
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i dont quite get it, will the HD 3xxx faster than the 2xxx series??
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i dont quite get it, will the HD 3xxx faster than the 2xxx series??
Yes. But dont expect it to be ALOT faster.
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It acually looks like the 2600XT board tweaked, sounds weird but it looks very similar.

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This is what happens when competition is uneven and tis why AMD needs to get back on top so nVidia will launch new parts with new faster tech every 12 months.
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word is both ATI and Nvidia will release their new flag ship cards in Q1 2008.

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Don't forget 8800GT, which isn't a slouch, either, and that might be a factor.

The RAM size doesn't necessarily mean Gladiator is the superior card, anyway. nVidia probably just wants a little variation.
i understand the 8800GT is a great card at its price point and being a die shrink of G80, it has the feeling of being a good performer as well.

HD3870/3850 should be great performers as well but if they are a little behind the 8800GT in performance, ATI will have to sell them for less to compete. i'm just thinking out loud.

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Read/write multi-sample on surfaces is listed as something new here I think compared to the 2900 -- does anyone know what this means exactly?


There are other things that may help DirectX 10.1.
omg it's 666 million transistors!!
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Yeah the lack of the 512-bit bus helps alot.

So this means R680 has 1.333 billion trannies, thats alot ot trannies.
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So this means R680 has 1.333 billion trannies, thats alot ot trannies.
don't forget it also use 55nm too! 1.333 billion trannies...damn!
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? Being 55nm only changes the size of the tranistor.
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? Being 55nm only changes the size of the tranistor.
I know. Yeah right...
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