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Old Aug 28, 2020, 12:00 PM   #301
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Developers were never going to prirotise 60fps, Graphics sell consoles, not framerate.

If you can make a better looking game visually, they will. Framerate is a secondary concern.
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Ratchet and Clank has a non 4K but 60FPS mode, imagine some inbetween resolution like 1440p but upscaled.

Either way I'll be going with the 60fps mode, now if only Java Cool Dude could tell the rest of the developers in the world to offer both options, I'd be much happier.
We need to get a petition going

Give me smooth, good looking game play and I'm happy regardless of frame rate. I've only run into one title on the ps4 pro where being limited was really noticeable to me.
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Old Aug 28, 2020, 12:17 PM   #303
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That is pure scumbag marketing IMO. I really do despise the company that Sony is.

They want to create a false sense that supplies are limited to drive initial sales which they will then market again as "hey!, look at our awesome sales"

Companies that use tactics like this I tell to suck a huge male apendage.

I wish everyone would not fall for this garbage but we live in a generation where everybody has to be first so they can make their social media vids/pics.

I won't be giving Sony a dime of my money. I'll miss out on a handful of good exclusives but I have so many game to play that I don't care
Sure it's marketing..but if I can get something out of the Sony/MS bloodbath I'll take it lol.

Besides, I've never enjoyed a new console straight out of the gate. I think it would be nice to be in on the intial beta testing period for once.
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I'm just going to wait until they become readily available, my pc is powerful enough to play the nextgen multiplatform stuff, so I can just wait.




I will probably become less patient if a certain remaster is a launch title.
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Really getting concerned about PS5 not managing 4K60 on launch titles. AMD garbage should have been thrown out with this gen of consoles.
They could have easily gone with Intel/nvidia for only double the cost!
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I'm just going to wait until they become readily available, my pc is powerful enough to play the nextgen multiplatform stuff, so I can just wait.




I will probably become less patient if a certain remaster is a launch title.
Yeah I have a certain title in mind too.
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Sorry guys, I don't think Barbie horse adventures is getting a next-gen remaster.
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Do people really expect a console to pump out 60fps at 4k with all the bells and whistles when a desktop card can't even do it at 3x the cost?!!
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Do people really expect a console to pump out 60fps at 4k with all the bells and whistles when a desktop card can't even do it at 3x the cost?!!
Yes I do. Because it’s the next gen.
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Yes I do. Because it’s the next gen.
Ok, how much do you expect to pay for all that? The desktop GPU and ram alone is north of grand...
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Do people really expect a console to pump out 60fps at 4k with all the bells and whistles when a desktop card can't even do it at 3x the cost?!!
Not for new games, but I think a choice between [email protected] "resolution mode" or [email protected] "performance mode" is reasonable.

With VRR, it just needs to stay near the target FPS.
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Ok, how much do you expect to pay for all that? The desktop GPU and ram alone is north of grand...
GPU seems to be performing at a 1080/2060 level so about 300. Not sure about ram but a 32 GB cost me about 120 bucks. Add other components that are mass produced, you can possibly sell it for 500-600 as launch price with software making up for initial per unit losses.

But what do I know? I will be even OK to pay up to 650 for it as I got a lot of value out of my PlayStation consoles in the past.
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Do people really expect a console to pump out 60fps at 4k with all the bells and whistles when a desktop card can't even do it at 3x the cost?!!
I think people do expect it especially since that's what (next-gen) seemingly touts in all the advertising. Toppling the competition is the game they all play.

It's just never possible at that particular point in time.

Claims are always above the possibilities but are expected eventually and they do happen but way later be it in new iterations of hardware or at the end of a cycle of hardware due to understanding of said hardware and software optimizations which go hand in hand.

I remember many game on the Commodore 64 being absolutely awesome and now seeing them in action makes me remember them like it was some glamorization or fantasy that tricked my mind into believing what I see now was not what I saw then.

Suspension of disbelief and immersion is always high maintenance on an exponential scale of technology. We can't keep up but are expected to.

More more more.
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GPU seems to be performing at a 1080/2060 level so about 300
PS5 GPU produces slightly more throughput than an RTX 2080 and the desktop card retails for over a grand and comes with half the RAM:
Check it out
The days where a console on launch outperforms a PC while costing a quarter of the price are long gone.
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PS5 GPU produces slightly more throughput than an RTX 2080 and the desktop card retails for over a grand and comes with half the RAM:
Check it out
The days where a console on launch outperforms a PC while costing a quarter of the price are long gone.
I see. Let's see the games and performance before calling it. I have already registered my interest in 2 shops and Sony website. Just waiting on pre-orders to open.
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Do people really expect a console to pump out 60fps at 4k with all the bells and whistles when a desktop card can't even do it at 3x the cost?!!
I was pleasantly surprised at the IQ my PS4 puts out on a less than quality, low budget 4k TV.

If that's improved on at all, and the games look great and play smoothly, call me a happy camper.

That, and the mileage I've gotten out of the PS4 consoles I've had. Do it again please.
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I was pleasantly surprised at the IQ my PS4 puts out on a less than quality, low budget 4k TV.

If that's improved on at all, and the games look great and play smoothly, call me a happy camper.

That, and the mileage I've gotten out of the PS4 consoles I've had. Do it again please.
no kidding.

I have a very good quality 82" 4k tv with VRR and my Xbox One X looks amazing on that. Can't wait for the Series X.

We've gotten so spoiled these days. It wasn't long ago that we paid the equivalent of MORE money than we do now on games and a lot of them could be beaten within hours. Now we have games that take massive teams to make and can take 100+ hours to completely beat
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won't buy for a long time. Technically interesting for sure, but nothing essential must have. Need to save money, not spending it on yet another gaming console.
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The console versions don't have dedicated cores (like Tensor) for machine learning, but at least in the Series X there's hardware support for INT8 and INT4, and it has DirectML which can be used for upscaling processes. Not sure if AMD is going to have a direct competitor to DLSS.
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It is September and still nothing from either camp. I'd lay money on a delay at this point. With supply chain issues almost guaranteed, and the fact current gen pricing was revealed during that year's E3, it continues to be a strange year indeed.

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It is September and still nothing from either camp. I'd lay money on a delay at this point. With supply chain issues almost guaranteed, and the fact current gen pricing was revealed during that year's E3, it continues to be a strange year indeed.
I don't think there's any issues but they're both playing a game of price chicken and neither will budge
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I don't think there's any issues but they're both playing a game of price chicken and neither will budge
Typically this is not how pricing works though. Margins can be manipulated way beyond sticker price. In either case, waiting too much longer could backfire with the buyers who need time to budget. And there is the elephant in the room, the world economy in lock-down. It might become a difficult decision if and when to release? Next year might actually end up being the lesser of the two evils? Hopefully I'm wrong, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say holiday 2021.

On a lighter note, I hear the series x is shorter than the rtx 3090

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So technically then we might not get the price notice until you can purchase them?
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In this game of chicken the wolf already stepped in w/ their 3080. nVidia just took a massive dump on AMD's lunch.
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Let me see if I understand correctly: A $500 dedicated graphics card will outperform consoles that cost ~$500? Amazing.

Its amazing to me that now people are calling $500 for a GPU "entry level". I remember when entry level was $100, and enthusiast was $500. Graphics cards have gotten really expensive.
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