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Old Dec 27, 2015, 03:08 PM   #31
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Any thoughts of adding in the MB into your possible choices?
As a week-end racer, the first thing you will need to do is totally
forget what they recommend for tire pressure and invest in a front
camber kit and get a proper alignment.

Other than that, MB are very reliable and you can find lots of excellent
prices on parts and maintenance on sites like MBparts.com.

From a drivability standpoint, solid cars that are silky smooth all around.
I drive a manual and let me tell you the shifter feel if unlike anything
I have ever driven before and after. Adaptive sports suspension is great also
for a daily driver.

Very stiff chassis. Everything is over built. (Tie rods larger than an F-150).

Also, it loves 94 gas...
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Old Dec 27, 2015, 06:53 PM   #32
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That is all likely true with the sedans. I highly doubt that is going to be the case with the AMG GT.
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Old Dec 27, 2015, 07:16 PM   #33
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That is all likely true with the sedans. I highly doubt that is going to be the case with the AMG GT.
I used to think this untill I test drove my C300, a 328 and an A4 in succession.

As for the alignment and stuff, it is actually policy at Merc to make the front
end softer and understeer so people do not through themselves in ditches...

Switch's AMG has the exact same alignment specifications which
calls for 0.3 degree negative camber on a strut layout.

I added the Merc camber bolts with a fixed -0.3 degree and it was a huge improvement.

I also did the shoe white on the sidewall trick and discovered
my ideal tire pressure is 34PSI front and 38PSI back with my summer tires.

Far away from the 28-32 in the door sticker.

So I would definitely try is out, but if you feel the front end
lacks immediacy and precision, there is a quick fix.
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I added the Merc camber bolts with a fixed -0.3 degree and it was a huge improvement.
You noticed a huge improvement from -.3 camber? What was it originally?
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Old Dec 27, 2015, 09:26 PM   #35
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I used to think this untill I test drove my C300, a 328 and an A4 in succession.
If you drive any normal street car, they all understeer.

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As for the alignment and stuff, it is actually policy at Merc to make the front
end softer and understeer so people do not through themselves in ditches...
Technically, the front end being softer enduces oversteer. However, I get what you are trying to say. Every street car is designed for understeer. Most people don't know the difference until they've driven something that isn't setup for understeer.

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Switch's AMG has the exact same alignment specifications which
calls for 0.3 degree negative camber on a strut layout.
And it's a sedan...

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I also did the shoe white on the sidewall trick and discovered
my ideal tire pressure is 34PSI front and 38PSI back with my summer tires.

Far away from the 28-32 in the door sticker.
Tire pressures will vary based on two things:

1. Desired ride quality
2. Tire manufacturer

So tires have stronger sidewalls and can use a lower pressure. Some tires have softer sidewalls and need higher pressures when driven hard. The manufacture is recommend tire pressures for a mix of gas mileage and ride quality.
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When I mention the front tires and camber, the front actually is not softer from a suspension perspective,
only tires and very little camber which hakes you ride the sidewalls.
I have the Sport Edition BTW, with larger sway bars, lower springs and variable shocks from the factory.

The car went from -0.3 to -0.6 camber. I had -1.0 to -1.3 on all my previous
cars, which were Japanese FWD or various rigidity. (Nissan being rigid and Honda not in the slightest).

I agree that tire pressure varies, this is why I do the tests I do with the sidewall white shoe polish. The tires I have for summer are Vredestein Ultrac Cento
which offer a LIA of 97 XL in my size...

I also mention this because a friend of mine went from an R8 to a 911S to a Merc CLK 63 Black Edition and absolutely hated the handling.
When I tried the car, I totally recognized the loose front end where
you clearly feel the sidewalls give. She sold the car though
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When I mention the front tires and camber, the front actually is not softer from a suspension perspective,
only tires and very little camber which hakes you ride the sidewalls.
I have the Sport Edition BTW, with larger sway bars, lower springs and variable shocks from the factory.
Again, we are talking apples to oranges. Your car is a sedan, the AMG GT is a sports car. The suspension geometry is completely different.

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I also mention this because a friend of mine went from an R8 to a 911S to a Merc CLK 63 Black Edition and absolutely hated the handling.
Same as above... Your friend went from two sports cars to a sedan. Apples to oranges...
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Might be, but easily fixed.

IMHO, the hadeling issues are marketing more than anything else.

Absolutely nothing is preventing MB from providing a proper front end geometry.

Another issue about your question is that the AMG GT is a 2016 model
to replace the SLS. It is improbable someone got to drive them back to back
with competitive models.

But this should shed light on your research:

http://www.caranddriver.com/mercedes-amg/gt-gt-s

Also, you question was if you should add MB in your possible choices.
My answer is yes, but keep in mind the front tires will feel soft.
If not, great, but if so, it is by design.
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Absolutely nothing is preventing MB from providing a proper front end geometry.
Yes there is... Their customers.. There is a compromise to "sporty" suspension geometry (ride quality, around-the-town handling, tire wear, suspension wear, etc). That is not the target market for their sedan customers. Audi tried it a years ago with their A6 line had had people replacing bushings and other suspension parts in under 60k miles (and had MANY unhappy customers).

However again, that shares little with the AMG GT which shares only the manufacturers name in resemblance to your car.
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You should note that the 2016 will have a 6.2 with no turbo's.
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You should note that the 2016 will have a 6.2 with no turbo's.
Really? I thought that was only for the GT3 which is a stripped down track focused version. That would be EPIC if we can have that engine back in the normal set up.
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Really? I thought that was only for the GT3 which is a stripped down track focused version. That would be EPIC if we can have that engine back in the normal set up.
Must be the GT3 as the the MB site still list the biturbo:

https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/futur...16_C190_AMG_GT
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That was my mistake, I assumed the GT3 was simply another model of the
GT, but it is a totally different car.

On a side note, I found the complete spec sheet of the 2016 AMG GT:
http://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/DigitalA..._AMG_%20GT.pdf

Lots of details!
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Speaking of totally different car:

http://autoweek.com/article/geneva-m...-and-whole-lot



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Ugh that engine was such a masterpeice. These new engines kill all AMGs for me. Although the GTs is VERY impressive.
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http://autoweek.com/article/geneva-m...-and-whole-lot



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I am thinking that maybe a couple of years down the road I will get an R8. You know because I have a Q7.
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We'll believe that when we see a picture of you with it and a BoS with your name on it....
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No, this time for me.
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My fav at the moment is the Merc AMG GT convertible

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AMG GTS non convertible is dope. I drove it but damn too pricey.
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They had the new R8 at the Philly Auto Show, I do like the changes they made to it. Didn't really get any good pictures of it.



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