Picture Of Intel Penryn 45nm

[Sound_Card]

http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=4535

Intel new Fab 28 is completed and fully operational at Kiryat Gat, Israel. It will utilize a 45nm process on 300mm silicon wafers for producing Penryn processors and will be able to transit to 32nm process when it becomes available to produce Nehalem-C processors. The picture above is the 45nm Penryn processor and the die looks pretty much like the Merom and the die size of Merom is at 143mm2. Penryn is expected to pack more cache than Merom with up to 6MB L2 and contains lots of micro-tweaks to the architecture to further enhance power and performance.

[moshpit]

Ahhhh, and if they're drop in ready for P965, you can be damned skippy that's what will be in my rig before christmas

[caveman-jim]

bet it needs a new VRM or something so you have to get a new mobo.

[Sound_Card]

By the looks of things, Intel will be moving to 32nm by the time AMD is in full swing with 65nm.

[Sound_Card]

Originally Posted by caveman-jim

bet it needs a new VRM or something so you have to get a new mobo.

DDR3 support only I think...

[moshpit]

Originally Posted by Sound_Card

DDR3 support only I think...

Nope. Your assuming integrated memory controller. Intel CPUs are never tied to a single memory type unless there's no other chipsets to support other memory types. This is the MAIN reason Intel hasn't integrated memory controller yet, to keep memory type flexibility. The only POSSIBLE incompatibility would be what Caveman mentioned, voltages. Since Penryn is 45nm, it'll require lower voltages and may need a new VRM for it if existing ones can't go low enough, tho that will depend on just how much they reduce vcore...

[Sound_Card]

Originally Posted by moshpit

Nope. Your assuming integrated memory controller. Intel CPUs are never tied to a single memory type unless there's no other chipsets to support other memory types. This is the MAIN reason Intel hasn't integrated memory controller yet, to keep memory type flexibility. The only POSSIBLE incompatibility would be what Caveman mentioned, voltages. Since Penryn is 45nm, it'll require lower voltages and may need a new VRM for it if existing ones can't go low enough, tho that will depend on just how much they reduce vcore...

I know very well that the memory controller is not on the cpu. But it would be foolish to think that future DDR3 chipsets will still be on P965.

hmmm....

[moshpit]

Originally Posted by Sound_Card

I know very well that the memory controller is not on the cpu. But it would be foolish to think that future DDR3 chipsets will still be on P965.

hmmm....

Wait a minute, your off in chipset la-la land while we're talking about the CPU itself. Obviously P965 isn't DDR3 and never will be, I'm unsure where your drawing the connection tho. Penryn will not be tied to any ONE chipset, it'll be tied to several chipset families, both Intel and non-Intel branded. Most likely there will be DDR2 and DDR3 chipsets the Penryn will drop into just fine. Seeing as Intel is already saying that some boards out now MAY be able to support it, your approaching this from far left field I think. DDR3 is tied to the chipset.

[Sound_Card]

ahh I know what your saying.


Again, I really dont know much about Intel's matters, so I was thinking that this CPU will only be supported on their DDR3 based chipsets. But you said it your self that Intel annouced MAYBE some support on it's current chipsets. That clears everything right there.


But the last I heard of DDR3 is that ATI currently leads in devlopment with Intel in a close second. That was months ago.

[jima13]

Michael did a nice write up on it> http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/intel_penryn/

[moshpit]

mV???? We're moving to Mv, folks. Millivolts. CPUs in the Penryn family will have sub-1 volt specs. 900-950 mV.... Wow! COOL!!!! Jima13 get rep love

[Grim Reaper,The]

Originally Posted by moshpit

Nope. Your assuming integrated memory controller. Intel CPUs are never tied to a single memory type unless there's no other chipsets to support other memory types. This is the MAIN reason Intel hasn't integrated memory controller yet, to keep memory type flexibility. The only POSSIBLE incompatibility would be what Caveman mentioned, voltages. Since Penryn is 45nm, it'll require lower voltages and may need a new VRM for it if existing ones can't go low enough, tho that will depend on just how much they reduce vcore...

AFAIK, Intel hasn't moved to on die memory controller is because CSI isn't ready. CSI should be ready this year and, probably, that is when Intel will integrate the memory controller and when we'll see true quads from Intel.

[moshpit]

I'm less certain of that now. I think they may hold CSI and IMC until Nehalem (misspelled, but you know which one I mean).

[ShaidarHaran]

Originally Posted by Grim Reaper,The

AFAIK, Intel hasn't moved to on die memory controller is because CSI isn't ready. CSI should be ready this year and, probably, that is when Intel will integrate the memory controller and when we'll see true quads from Intel.

Source? CSI isn't slated to debut until the Nehalem family of MPUs is released, and that's not until 2008.