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Old Jul 22, 2013, 09:52 PM   #1
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Other than any hint of a "buddy comedy", it sounds like a good lead-in for a JLA movie! There's also a Flash flick on the way, and I'm hoping we'll still get a (good, a good) Wonder Woman movie. Though there's no mention of any renewed plans for a WW movie.
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Other than any hint of a "buddy comedy", it sounds like a good lead-in for a JLA movie! There's also a Flash flick on the way, and I'm hoping we'll still get a (good, a good) Wonder Woman movie. Though there's no mention of any renewed plans for a WW movie.
It is a sad day for DC. They show a screen with two logos, while their comic rivals are showing footage from The Winter Soldier, Thor 2 and reveal the Avengers 2 villain.
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It is a sad day for DC. They show a screen with two logos, while their comic rivals are showing footage from The Winter Soldier, Thor 2 and reveal the Avengers 2 villain.
Agreed. They are waaay behind here. And they blew it with Dark Knight Rises. But they did well with this new Supes movie, and the previous two Bat-movies. Here's hoping for more successes with these new ones!
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Other than any hint of a "buddy comedy", it sounds like a good lead-in for a JLA movie! There's also a Flash flick on the way, and I'm hoping we'll still get a (good, a good) Wonder Woman movie. Though there's no mention of any renewed plans for a WW movie.
Seems like they are blowing there load a bit early to me
At least get another Superman movie out before you start teaming people up. For that matter they might want to actually kick out another Batman movie with whoever they choose to replace Bale before they even think about doing a Batman/Superman movie to get the Batman base story established. As for a good lead in for a JLA movie how so considering like I said without Bale they have no current base to even pull from.

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Oh goodie. Double the hero angst!
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Has it been confirmed that Bale will not be doing any more Batman movies? The auto pilot was fixed so it is fully possible he ejected and decided to remain under the radar. It's fully possible for them to bring him back, with Robin as well.
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Has it been confirmed that Bale will not be doing any more Batman movies? The auto pilot was fixed so it is fully possible he ejected and decided to remain under the radar. It's fully possible for them to bring him back, with Robin as well.
The ending of Dark Knight Rises seems pretty clear that he survived but is chillin' with Catworman and he left the batcave with all it's toys to Robin. If we do see Batman again it will be Joseph Gordon-Levitt behind the mask instead of Bale most likely.
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Batman isn't the only problem. Green Lantern is one of the founders of Justice League too. And the movie flopped.

While Justice League is one of my favorites of all time. They'd have to do some serious hard reboots to do it right. And not just band aid it over like it seems they are planning.
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Wow. This should be a separate movie. Not Man of Steel 2. Man of Steel should have it's own trilogy. This makes me sad.
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They don't have time for that. For a Justice League film, they currently have Superman. If they want to add Batman, they won't have an origin story or independent film for that unless they go with the end of DKR as being the origin story for the Batman in a Justice League movie. Which brings the total up to 2 guys. They don't have the time for a Flash, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern reboot. So their backs are against the wall. They desperately want a new "Avengers" type of team up because look at how much money the Avengers made. That one Marvel's Avengers movie made 1.5 BILLION dollars!

They desperately want that cash, which means team-up film. But they have, at most, 2 characters they can use and 1 of those would have baggage. So they have to ride the success of Man of Steel more than anything else. Unless they want to redo Batman and another person or two. Which means pushing the team-up back a few years. But I think they're seeing too much green from the Marvel movies to let that happen.
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They don't have time for that. For a Justice League film, they currently have Superman. If they want to add Batman, they won't have an origin story or independent film for that unless they go with the end of DKR as being the origin story for the Batman in a Justice League movie. Which brings the total up to 2 guys. They don't have the time for a Flash, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern reboot. So their backs are against the wall. They desperately want a new "Avengers" type of team up because look at how much money the Avengers made. That one Marvel's Avengers movie made 1.5 BILLION dollars!

They desperately want that cash, which means team-up film. But they have, at most, 2 characters they can use and 1 of those would have baggage. So they have to ride the success of Man of Steel more than anything else. Unless they want to redo Batman and another person or two. Which means pushing the team-up back a few years. But I think they're seeing too much green from the Marvel movies to let that happen.
Well that's the thing - what the hell have been doing the last decade when they were doing the Dark Knight films? There's nothing in those films that indicate there are other Superheroes. I'm not sure what they were thinking with the Green Lantern. Flash should have already been made, and Wonder Woman is in limbo. DC needs to realize they don't have the same kind of heroes that Marvel has and act accordingly.

Personally, they should just make the Justice League films on their own and use that introduce Green Lantern, Flash and Wonder Woman, THEN make their solo movies, then bring them back for Justice League 2. That way they can leave Superman alone to develop his story in a trilogy properly.
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They wanted to reboot Superman but were tied up in litigation?
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Ok, but that shouldn't have stopped the other heroes.
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Well that's the thing - what the hell have been doing the last decade when they were doing the Dark Knight films? There's nothing in those films that indicate there are other Superheroes. I'm not sure what they were thinking with the Green Lantern. Flash should have already been made, and Wonder Woman is in limbo. DC needs to realize they don't have the same kind of heroes that Marvel has and act accordingly.

Personally, they should just make the Justice League films on their own and use that introduce Green Lantern, Flash and Wonder Woman, THEN make their solo movies, then bring them back for Justice League 2. That way they can leave Superman alone to develop his story in a trilogy properly.
The problem with starting with a team-up movie is you have to work on introducing the characters in a way that makes sense and fills it out. Look at all the criticism everyone gets anytime they cram characters into a movie just to add more names. It worked for the Avengers, only BECAUSE every one in it had their own starring roles in other films. We knew who Cap was, who Iron Man was, as well as Hulk (sorta), and Thor. To a lesser extent, Black Widow and Hawkeye we at least got introduced to with Fury and Agent Coulson. So putting them in a room together, we already knew enough to know who these characters were, what their personalities were like, and why they were awesome.

If they started with a team up, then you get rushed crap like Spider Man 3 where they just feel like names in a checklist. What's that? Venom, Green Goblin, and Sandman? Sure let's just toss them all in and give each person 20 minutes. Yeah that's plenty for telling their stories right?

A team-up works if we're invested in the characters and bringing them together means we don't have to learn about who they are, to appreciate them being in the film. Right now Marvel did a great job of this, a bunch of separate origin stories, that way when Cap says something like "I understood that reference" we can appreciate it because we saw his story in Captain America: The First Avenger and knew where he was coming from. If you tried to condense that into a 10 minute montage at the start of a film, you don't do it justice.

One of the bigger complaints right now about the Man of Steel film is that it was an origin story that glossed over its origins. It was more of a space sci-fi movie rather than a Superman film. Lots of fun, to be sure, but they spent very little time on Supe's origins and growing up as Clark on Earth. We got a few flashbacks to things that were pivotal in his life, but people wanted more, like what we saw in Batman Begins. Instead they jumped to a 5 minute cut-scene and poof, now he's flying outside a military base, now someone's throwing a train at him...

Anyways, DC missed the bus. They had a great run with the Dark Knight, but treated it like its own separate property and continuity. Then Marvel showed them how it's done, and they want in. They just don't have much yet to work with, so they either need to give it time and build up to a big crossover, or they're going to try and force it and it's going to fall flat. Seriously if Batman+Superman+whoever shows up at the same time as Avengers 2, it isn't going to be amazing and the Avengers 2 is going to destroy it in theaters.
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Ok, but that shouldn't have stopped the other heroes.
But it did. They wanted to put all their chips on Superman but couldn't. They didn't feel they had sufficient gravitas with Flash, Wonder Woman, or others (lol Aquaman?) to build a solid franchise base with. But start with Superman and the name recognition is there. Then use his success to build on and introduce Flash maybe? Or Green Lantern and Wonder Woman? That would make more sense... Batman was raking in the dough, so they couldn't afford to screw with that. It just went off in its own direction and has no ties into the DC universe that they can really work with, without forcing it.
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Hopefully not the guy that was alluded to in the Dark Knight Rises. He's too small and scrawny.
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Hopefully not the guy that was alluded to in the Dark Knight Rises. He's too small and scrawny.
...this. I like JGL and think he's a good actor. But Batman has to be able to handle multiple thugs, physically, and with a very efficient, very direct brutality. He has to really get physical and be convincing. As much as I think Joseph's a great actor, I don't think he can manage the physical brutality of it. Not without spending 6 months bulking up like Cavill did for Superman. I'm not saying Batman has to be the Hulk or someone physically huge, but I want to be convinced he can bash some skulls.

I guess if they went a more acrobatic, more graceful, and less direct and physical angle I could be convinced. But then there's the question of whether you want to introduce "magic" like Superman flying or aliens into the world they built in the Dark Knight. Those stories worked because they stayed semi grounded in the real world. The Dark Knight was amazing because it was more crime drama than actual superhero flick. Going from the bank heist scene in the Dark Knight, to Superman flying through buildings, would be a pretty big gulf to cross unless they somewhat reintroduced Batman as being in a non-real world like Metropolis.

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Other than any hint of a "buddy comedy", it sounds like a good lead-in for a JLA movie! There's also a Flash flick on the way, and I'm hoping we'll still get a (good, a good) Wonder Woman movie. Though there's no mention of any renewed plans for a WW movie.
Hmm I already saw Wonder Woman in the JLA film...gawd I cannot believe she took them all down

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Marvel... even in comics has always been more ambitious about teaming up their super and non super enhanced mens in tights...not that DC never did it but when they did it was just more like the writers had a hard time... Marvel kind of mastered it very quickly... and its amazing how in films they managed to be so bold even to the point of total embarassment to team them up... remember the old tv special with Thor, daredevil, etc?

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Seems like they are blowing there load a bit early to me
At least get another Superman movie out before you start teaming people up. For that matter they might want to actually kick out another Batman movie with whoever they choose to replace Bale before they even think about doing a Batman/Superman movie to get the Batman base story established. As for a good lead in for a JLA movie how so considering like I said without Bale they have no current base to even pull from.

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Dude, everybody is blowing a load prematurely... this is frikking Batmaaaaaan and Supes we are talking here... easy in the comics... hard to do as live action.

I would imagine there may have even been a plan wayyyyy back in the 80s when Christopher Reeves did not yet have the accident and before the Tim Burton Batmaaaan film... but sadly back then perhaps film directors hated comic book concepts and you needed true nerds like George Lucas or Steven Spielberg to be jealous and totalitarian about their films... special effects has always been a challenge even back then but now even serious directors/producers are like "oh we can take this character and treat him seriously"

Specially with all the money Xmen and Spidey and Battymaaaaan did at the box office.

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I guess if they went a more acrobatic, more graceful, and less direct and physical angle I could be convinced. But then there's the question of whether you want to introduce "magic" like Superman flying or aliens into the world they built in the Dark Knight. Those stories worked because they stayed semi grounded in the real world. The Dark Knight was amazing because it was more crime drama than actual superhero flick. Going from the bank heist scene in the Dark Knight, to Superman flying through buildings, would be a pretty big gulf to cross unless they somewhat reintroduced Batman as being in a non-real world like Metropolis.


God no... please... no....
Acrobatics? you read to many comic books... he has a huge cape... the Watchmen, the Watchmen are watching that cape get caught in a revolving door... and all of Battymaaan enemies use guns...

In the comics team ups it was more of a celeb thing with Batman doing mostly detective stuff and Supes lifting a building or floating around...at least thats how I remember it.
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We don't yet know who's going to play Bats, but going by what I've heard, they're basically going to ignore much of the most recent Batman trilogy, including the actors, and essentially start over, minus the origins stuff. We already know who Batman is.

Raz has the right idea. DC has been goofing around, or something, for the last decade+. Sure, they had Batman going on, and they had GL, but they also should have been doing Wonder Woman, and Flash, and by now had a JLA movie ready to release, or have been released. I don't really know what happened with the Wonder Woman thing, though I've seen the "pilot" they did two or three years ago. It was pretty sub-par. Green Lantern, I've seen it, and it was passable, though not excellent. And I have no idea what they were thinking with "Dark Knight Rises". What a massive turd! They took a story development that was going really well, then someone cranked the wheel hard left and they ran it off the bridge.

And it's not like DC suddenly got what Marvel was doing. Marvel has been obviously leading up to a big Avengers team-up for the last five years or so? No reason at all they couldn't have had at least a couple of individual character movies in development during that time, besides Batman and Superman. Marvel can do it; are we supposed to think DC can't...?

Either way, I think they should have two movies going, both of them parts of a JLA team up movie. Yes, do it in two parts. The first part introduces us to whomever we need to be introduced to. The second part picks up and forms the JLA proper, and off they go.
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I guess if they went a more acrobatic, more graceful, and less direct and physical angle I could be convinced.
But...that's not Batman. That's Robin/Nightwing. Batman is all about efficiency, not style (unless it's theatrics) or acrobatics. And that, in part, is what makes him as dangerous as he is. He has world-class skills, and he puts them to use in the most efficient manner.
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It's not as bad as you're imagining. It worked very well in the Avengers, because even though we had the completely human Captain America, he had already dealt with supernatural foes. We also had the completely human Hawkeye and Black Widow, all jumbled together with the Hulk, Thor, and Iron Man, all battling otherworldly armies. Then there were the human spies Fury and Coulson, facing off against the Asgardian "deity" Loki. It worked. It just depends on how you're presenting it.
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The way they should introduce Wonder Woman is in the next Superman film. There was a storyline presented mostly in the Superman comics about five or six years ago, though it also crossed over into other comic lines. It had the JLA in it, but it focused first on Superman and how he was battling against horrible visions and apparitions. He was out of his mind, and was out of control. Then the story moved to focus on Wonder Woman. During his struggles, Supes practically wiped out the JLA, nearly killing many of them, including Bats. The only one left standing was Wonder Woman, and it fell on her to bring him back to his senses...or stop him.

Well, we saw them go toe-to-toe in a no-holds-barred, knock-down drag-out. She couldn't talk him back to his senses, or beat them back into him. Though they nearly killed each other, she took drastic (though necessary) measures, and finally won the day. (though she did end up with a broken wrist, and a partly fried face. But he ended up with a slit throat, and some bruises he will long remember) We caught a glimpse of how this story ended toward the end of Man of Steel, though of course it wasn't WW we were seeing, but Supes.

Anyway, this is the story they should base the next Supes on, and thus introduce us to Wonder Woman. It's sad, though, that they'll probably botch up any WW story, because outside of that story I mentioned (called "Sacrifice"), most people just don't "get" Wonder Woman, and how awesome she truly is.
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Bascially, yeah that's how it is. Batman is the brains, Supes (and the JLA) are the brawn. But the way they show Bats is also him approaching the super-bad guys directly, but with a plan or three in hand. He just out-maneuvers them, and thus wins the day. Yeah, sometimes it's a stretch, but in the comic world it works.

As most of up probably know, Batman has a plan for everything. He has actually taken down the JLA, each member one at a time, nearly destroying each of them. He has taken down White Martians (pretty much the same as Superman, but with more powers), and rescued Supergirl from Darkseid. Single-handedly. Of course it wasn't and couldn't have been by brute force or toe-to-toe fighting. He'd lose in less than half an instant. But it's HOW he does it, and the chutzpah he shows while doing it, and the fact that he usually succeeds, that puts him on the level of Superman and Wonder Woman.

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I can only remember the 70's TV series of Wonder Woman.

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*shudder*
You're seriously gay if you *shudder* at Lynda Carter.
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Lynda Carter was attractive.

The TV show was abhorrent.
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I'm just saying. I was hoping to see more Clark Kent being a reporter in Man of Steel 2. It's a shame he has to share screen time in effort for DC/WB to make up for lost time.
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The TV show was abhorrent.
It was the 70s. Abhorrent was cool back then.
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