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Old Sep 21, 2020, 01:03 AM   #1
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I got my oculus link cable not to long ago. Today is the first day I actually got to have some time to actually play it for more than 15 minutes. I played for about 2 hours straight. I played the PC version of Beat Saber on Steam, and then all of Vader Immortal Episode 1 for the PC.

Wow, I am very impressed how well it works. Honestly it is actually better in every way, except for 1, compared to my HP Mixed Reality set. While the HP can do 90Hz and the Quest can only do 72Hz, I honestly cannot tell the difference. It is very much worth losing the 90hz to have a lot more comfort and a little bit better resolution.

I don't notice any kind of increased latency compared to the HP Mixed Reality, either.

I think the next game I am going to get for VR is going to be Asquard's Wrath, that game looks way fun.
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Go wire free and use Virtual Desktop Streamer Needs a good 5Ghz wifi though.
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I tried a bunch of stuff to get wireless Virtual Desktop working smoothly. Wired gigabit connection from my PC to a dedicated 5ghz router in the same room that I play in, etc. It's always been a massive stutterfest. I eventually gave up and just used a wired connection. I bought 36ft of active usb3.0 extension cables, and it works great that way.

We'll see what i can do with Quest 2... the wifi 6 capabilities may offer some new options. Carmack keeps talking about them exploring the idea of selling a dedicated wifi dongle that they can customize the firmware on... I wish they'd pull the trigger on that.
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I used to have a great 5GHz router, but then about 9 months ago Asus did something in one of their security firmware updates and it screwed up the 5GHz stability. About 9 months ago it made 5GHz basically useless because it would disconnect dozen's of times per day. Then over time they fixed it little by little. Now only my PC has a stable connection on 5GHz, but our smart phones and tablets still have intermittent loss on 5GHz, same with the Roku box, so we keep the Roku and our smart devices on the 2.4Ghz band.
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Oculus link works great, espcially since they optimised it for Turing cards.

Virtual Desktop works great for me, would be nice to see what it can do with Quest 2 and Wifi 6, but sadly Oculus devices are not sold in Germany anymore for the time being due to Germany having a issue with Facebook login being enforced as they love to sell your data.
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Has any review mentioned if link+quest 2 looks better than the rift s or not?
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Has any review mentioned if link+quest 2 looks better than the rift s or not?
I saw a few that stated it was better than Rift S, and that is because of the higher resolution, though still at 72hz until Oculus gets the 90hz through link ready.
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I saw a few that stated it was better than Rift S, and that is because of the higher resolution, though still at 72hz until Oculus gets the 90hz through link ready.
It's a yes and no at the moment.

Quest 1 link was limited to 150mbps, while Quest 2 we don't know exactly.

So while ofcourse the image is going to be sharper due to the higher res screen (and eventually 90hz), there is still the compression in dark scenes.

However that's because LINK hasn't been upgraded to take advantage of quest 2 yet.

They said shortly after launch they will release a update to increase the quality of oculus link, and also they will release a update for 90hz too.

The 90Hz holdup is because it has a bug with the guardian system.
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Go wire free and use Virtual Desktop Streamer Needs a good 5Ghz wifi though.
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It's a yes and no at the moment.

Quest 1 link was limited to 150mbps, while Quest 2 we don't know exactly.

So while ofcourse the image is going to be sharper due to the higher res screen (and eventually 90hz), there is still the compression in dark scenes.

However that's because LINK hasn't been upgraded to take advantage of quest 2 yet.

They said shortly after launch they will release a update to increase the quality of oculus link, and also they will release a update for 90hz too.

The 90Hz holdup is because it has a bug with the guardian system.
Any idea if Virtual Desktop is limited by the Link's throughput? I would assume that it's not really using link software at all? If I remember correctly, I had Virtual Desktop running before Link was officially released on the Quest.
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Virtual desktop is limited too, it’s not down to the cable it’s down to how fast the snapdragon can process the video stream.

This is a much faster chip so no idea how high it can do.
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All in my sig and yes it’s accessible. 480mbps on 5ghz with some minor drops but overall the wireless play vs cabled feels better with freedom. Alyx plays and looks sharp.
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I think he meant your network setup.
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Ahh ok, I have a Tenda Mesh 3 AP’s but I actually use the 5ghz only on my BT Hub 6, it’s the only thing on its wireless and it’s 5-10ft away from play area. Back hauling is 1gbps to pc. Internet about 70mbps.
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Ahh ok, I have a Tenda Mesh 3 AP’s but I actually use the 5ghz only on my BT Hub 6, it’s the only thing on its wireless and it’s 5-10ft away from play area. Back hauling is 1gbps to pc. Internet about 70mbps.
thanks, I gotta get this virtual desktop working well with the quest 2, this really seems like the future of vr to me... should I go for wifi 6 router and is there a router brand name that is best suited for this application or which brand is most reliable?


I'm kinda surprised other companies arent going this route aggressively. if I was HTC I would buy virtual desktop and optimize for a wireless new design, all in... with wireless working well, I just don't see a future for wired, or am I missing something?

I would really like someone to take over the wireless vr market other than FB, I hate FB but am getting the q2 but will jump away first chance I get...

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HTC already has a dedicated wireless adapter to get the Vive wireless. But I agree, tether free is the way to go
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Carmack already basically publically bitched about Oculus not going wireless on twitter in a round about way.

I think whoever is in charge isn't interested in making a wireless dongel, hopefully they do though.
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what do you mean, I though Oculus was going pretty hard on wireless? and aren't they easing or even dropping rift support...
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what do you mean, I though Oculus was going pretty hard on wireless? and aren't they easing or even dropping rift support...
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is this a good option, does any one own this?

when does the next Gen HTC release?

I'm not that up to speed on all the vr stuff, been pretty much ignoring it until I felt the library was decent and the later more polished generations started coming out, which seems to be about now and the q2, but I hate the FB rules, so I have 30 days to return my q2 and change my mind...
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what do you mean, I though Oculus was going pretty hard on wireless? and aren't they easing or even dropping rift support...
There will be a wireless option. With the wifi6 antenna on board, it's stupidly obvious to support wireless link. The only question is when.
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is this a good option, does any one own this?

when does the next Gen HTC release?

I'm not that up to speed on all the vr stuff, been pretty much ignoring it until I felt the library was decent and the later more polished generations started coming out, which seems to be about now and the q2, but I hate the FB rules, so I have 30 days to return my q2 and change my mind...
HTC is getting out of the PC gaming/consumer VR business and is going to concentrate on VR for education/museum and Enterprise applications. Their next headset, called "Cosmos Play", isn't going to be sold to consumers at all. So HTCs last consumer headset is the "Cosmos", which was released last year.


HTCs wireless adapter is $350 all by itself, so really expensive, and the Cosmos is like $700. So you are looking at over $1000 for a PCVR wireless setup through HTC.
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HTC is getting out of the PC gaming/consumer VR business and is going to concentrate on VR for education/museum and Enterprise applications. Their next headset, called "Cosmos Play", isn't going to be sold to consumers at all. So HTCs last consumer headset is the "Cosmos", which was released last year.


HTCs wireless adapter is $350 all by itself, so really expensive, and the Cosmos is like $700. So you are looking at over $1000 for a PCVR wireless setup through HTC.
ughhh, that's awful, whos gonna compete with FB then? I want out of Q2 due to forcing FB on people and linking to my account and collecting data on my activity... scummy little jerks...

this could set up a really bad precedence, can't buy anyone's hardware without setting up accounts through their "social media" or other crap platforms... oops, can't run your new rtx 3090 card unless you sign up for nvidia's new social media account, want that new intel chip... go get an account first... I could see laptops next...
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ughhh, that's awful, whos gonna compete with FB then? I want out of Q2 due to forcing FB on people and linking to my account and collecting data on my activity... scummy little jerks...

this could set up a really bad precedence, can't buy anyone's hardware without setting up accounts through their "social media" or other crap platforms... oops, can't run your new rtx 3090 card unless you sign up for nvidia's new social media account, want that new intel chip... go get an account first... I could see laptops next...
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There are a bunch of Chinese no-names doing the same as FB. So eventually someone will pick-up one of those designs and compete with FB. In the end, the Quest/2 is just an android phone slapped into a typical VR headset. Really not allot of work anymore, the hard part is getting anything programed for Android and VR to work outside FB's walled garden.
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There are a bunch of Chinese no-names doing the same as FB. So eventually someone will pick-up one of those designs and compete with FB. In the end, the Quest/2 is just an android phone slapped into a typical VR headset. Really not allot of work anymore, the hard part of getting anything programed for Android and VR to work outside FB's walled garden.
I think you're right. Quest was Facebook's attempt at something new and while all the other hardware builders were looking at PC and Console centric designs, they snuck in with an all-in-one that was a success. I think that's why they ran with Quest 2 so quickly because they knew that if they didn't have something a step up, someone else would.
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There are a bunch of Chinese no-names doing the same as FB. So eventually someone will pick-up one of those designs and compete with FB. In the end, the Quest/2 is just an android phone slapped into a typical VR headset. Really not allot of work anymore, the hard part of getting anything programed for Android and VR to work outside FB's walled garden.
yeah, I could see Samsung picking this up and really running with it... market is probable still too small for them...
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There are a bunch of Chinese no-names doing the same as FB. So eventually someone will pick-up one of those designs and compete with FB. In the end, the Quest/2 is just an android phone slapped into a typical VR headset. Really not allot of work anymore, the hard part of getting anything programed for Android and VR to work outside FB's walled garden.
hmm, I don't know about that, more power, lighter, better cooling, cheaper, clearer image, better battery life ...etc, a ton of work left to improve and/or optimize...
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yeah, I could see Samsung picking this up and really running with it... market is probable still too small for them...
It's funny you mention Samsung because Oculus used to make a VR headset for Samsung phones call Gear VR. You just slotted in your handset and away you went. It was only discontinued last month.

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hmm, I don't know about that, more power, lighter, better cooling, cheaper, clearer image, better battery life ...etc, a ton of work left to improve and/or optimize...
Totally true! It's just not as difficult any more
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