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Old Feb 2, 2021, 06:55 PM   #31
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How is it a bare minimum hack job?
Using AI upscaling is a hack job and kills texture quality in most cases. Also jacking up the speedtree slider so we get moar bushes is also a hack job. Did you poke the comparison slider video running on the EA site for the Mass Effect LE. Doing the slider bit comparing that one level the TOD has changed cause lol reasons and they just added more tree and killed said texture quality and details on the rock.

Any more proof can be attributed to previous attempts of bare minimum chicanery with other remasters that have been released. This is a chop I can tell by the pixels and seeing quite a few in my time.

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Makes me wonder why they needed to use AI upscaling for the textures, did they not have access to the original source textures? Original source textures are usually much higher resolution than what you see implemented in the final game.
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Makes me wonder why they needed to use AI upscaling for the textures, did they not have access to the original source textures? Original source textures are usually much higher resolution than what you see implemented in the final game.
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Old Feb 2, 2021, 11:19 PM   #34
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Will this come to GPU for free? That would be dope like.
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Thats still not active for pc right?
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Freaking $50 on Origin and $60 on Steam.
More like a $20-30 title to me.
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Rule for EA games. Buy 2 months later.
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Old Feb 3, 2021, 08:43 AM   #38
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All the DLC is in the LE set which is nice because they aren't included in the originals.

Buying everything from the originals would cost around $35 during holiday sales.
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Apparently the only DLC it won't have is Pinnacle Station (no big loss). The 3rd party dev who did Pinnacle Station sent Bioware the original files for it but they were corrupt.

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I'm tempted because I never played any of the Mass Effects, but it also looks like a lazy remaster..
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I'm tempted because I never played any of the Mass Effects, but it also looks like a lazy remaster..
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I had no idea what they even did for the remaster. Watched the video and thought it looked pretty good.

Either way, just going by the trailer video...it still looks good to me. Will play.
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I mean you think how big 3 mass effect games are, would take a huge budget to remaster them to the level that people want, we should be happy EA is even doing a semi competent job.

Plus they used AI upscale to pretty high levels of upsampling, mainly because they don't have original locked away 4k textures hidden in the Bioware offices, Mass Effect came out on the xbox 360 as a xbox exclusive originally.

Will buy anyway as I love Mass Effect.
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I played the first two Mass Effect games. Never played part 3.

I remember thinking the first one was OK to pretty good, but the planet exploring was kind of boring. But ME2 I thought was really really good. Enjoyed that one a lot. Not sure why I decided not to play the 3rd game. Thinking back I might have just been burned out on the series at the time, and I remember the ending being somewhat controversial with mixed feelings of it from most people.
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It was that controversial that people modded a entirely new ending that's still WIP .

For me it wasn't that big of a deal.



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Yeah, "lazy remake" or not....I see nothing to complain about in the comparison above or in the trailer that was released.


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I remember thinking the first one was OK to pretty good, but the planet exploring was kind of boring. But ME2 I thought was really really good. Enjoyed that one a lot. Not sure why I decided not to play the 3rd game. Thinking back I might have just been burned out on the series at the time, and I remember the ending being somewhat controversial with mixed feelings of it from most people.
This was exactly the same for me. I played the first two and thought pretty much the same. Never played the 3rd and have no idea why.
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Yeah, "lazy remake" or not....I see nothing to complain about in the comparison above or in the trailer that was released.

This was exactly the same for me. I played the first two and thought pretty much the same. Never played the 3rd and have no idea why.
That ending..... best combat was on 3. Best overall was 2.
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It was that controversial that people modded a entirely new ending that's still WIP .

For me it wasn't that big of a deal.



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I dont know if I can go through all 3 again a nice remaster could be good though. The ending to 3 was ooph and I still think 2 is some of the best gaming out there til this day.


Going to have to see more comparison shots to see if its worth it cause of course they picked the best shot for promo pictures to send to the internet.
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That ending..... best combat was on 3. Best overall was 2.

The ending in ME3 wasn't that bad and I don't understand why everyone hated the ending that much. Annoying things with ME3 was a lot of bugs in the progression system. Some missions showed up despite I had already finished them and vice versa. ME3 wasn't that polished and they didn't fix the bugs either.

The trilogy is ok, the games are kind of cheesy but they have their it charms as well.
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The ending in ME3 wasn't that bad and I don't understand why everyone hated the ending that much. Annoying things with ME3 was a lot of bugs in the progression system. Some missions showed up despite I had already finished them and vice versa. ME3 wasn't that polished and they didn't fix the bugs either.

The trilogy is ok, the games are kind of cheesy but they have their it charms as well.
I don't remember those bugs but it's been a while.
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Unless I'm mistaken, Mass Effect was always big on the lens flares.


I do like the idea of AI upscaling the textures though. Upscaling video seems to work pretty well.
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There were no 4K textures in 2007 so gotta get creative.
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So does AI scaling mean they did even less work than possible?



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So does AI scaling mean they did even less work than possible?



One engineer wrote a script and........DONE. Ship it out.
See links I posted re ME1, lots of work went there.
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but it also looks like a lazy remaster..
I don't get how people think it's "lazy". What do you want them to do? It sounds like some people actually want something closer to a full remake and the developer already addressed why that wasn't feasible, both from a technical perspective and keeping the games still feeling like the Mass Effect we know.

They're getting various graphical and asset improvements, gameplay improvements (ME1 mostly), QoL improvements, etc. You get all three games plus DLC in a nice cohesive package. I'd say it's far from lazy. You want to know the definition of lazy just look at the Kingdoms of Amalur "remaster".
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I don't get how people think it's "lazy". What do you want them to do? It sounds like some people actually want something closer to a full remake and the developer already addressed why that wasn't feasible, both from a technical perspective and keeping the games still feeling like the Mass Effect we know.

They're getting various graphical and asset improvements, gameplay improvements (ME1 mostly), QoL improvements, etc. You get all three games plus DLC in a nice cohesive package. I'd say it's far from lazy. You want to know the definition of lazy just look at the Kingdoms of Amalur "remaster".
Port it to Vulkan and add RTX!

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Remaster used to mean some real work though. I expect touching of textures and not by some scaling that they can through a script and get it somewhere better.


Quadruple textures add new lighting and maybe some effects cause we know they arent touching gameplay. Everything has to be visual and immediately noticeable.
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I don't get how people think it's "lazy". What do you want them to do?
Nobody is ever happy any more...

If it looks good and is a big step up from what it was...why does it matter HOW it was done? I see the old screenshots, then I look at the trailer and the new screens available and I don't understand where the complaints are coming from.
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