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Old Jul 2, 2005, 10:21 PM   #1
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Default Thinking of building a Pentium D system...

Whadda you guys think?
I figure I should move on from this Dell, since I am finally in a position financially to build a new box, only having to re-use my video card (PCI-e X800 XL). It's either that or migrate my Dell to a new case with a new mobo/PSU/RAM/HSF and upgrade to a P4 670 this August when prices drop. that would end up costing me around $1000 altogether, I think.
Here's what I've picked out thus far for a new Pentium D system:

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CPU: Pentium D 820 (2x 2.8GHz Prescott 2M (2x 1M)) $251
HSF: Zalman CNP9500 cost $100?
RAM: 2x1GB Corsair PC2 4200 DDR2 533 4-4-4-12 timings $189
Mobo: I want a crossfire mobo for LGA 775 but it looks like they're not out yet I estimate around $200 for this part when it becomes available
HD: 250GB Seagate Barracuda.8 SATA NCQ drive x2 @ $125 ea.
Case: Thermaltake Armor black $150
PSU: Thermaltake 680W Purepower $150
DVD-RW: black NEC ND3540A $50
DVD-ROM: black Liteon 16x $25
Floopy drive (yes, floopy): $7
OS: Win XP MCE w/remote $160
Hyundai L90D+ 19" LCD $360
*sound card: Creative X-Fi PCI-e $250 (when available)
*tv tuner: Hauppauge PVR500 PCI $139
*X800 XL Crossfire edition: $300 (MSRP upon release)
logitech keyboard & mouse $40
Belkin 1100VA battery backup $120
Klipsch promedia 2.1's $130

Total:
~$3000

I would like to get everything right away but I definitely won't have the money for that for another couple paychecks. Add to that the fact that some of these parts aren't even available yet (ATI, I'm looking in your direction - same goes for you, Creative). I think I'll just go with the "basic" build for now to get the ball rolling. With an o/c'd Pentium D 820 (I hope to hit about 3.4GHz on air) and 2GB of RAM I should be able to do everything much faster on that system, including games. I suspect media encoding on such a machine would *fly*.
So, whatcha think? Go for the Pentium D Crossfire system and be set for awhile or upgrade my current rig? I could really go either way on this one... It would be nice to have two usable computers... I think the whole purpose of this exercise is to get two fully-functional computers out of the deal, one solely for my own use (my mom can have the Dell back).

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Old Jul 2, 2005, 10:42 PM   #2
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um DUH go for it...but you should have an A64 X2 upgrade option there
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um DUH go for it...but you should have an A64 X2 upgrade option there
Too expensive and not widely available enough to buy (for me anyway).
Thanks though! Believe me, I'd love to have an X2 system (especially Crossfire) as I'm sure it would hold me over for quite some time, but I'd like to hold off on my next killer system until quad core, at least.
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I would just save up for the time being and build an A64 X2 rig when mainstream games start to take advantage of SMT. Just my two cents.
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I would just save up for the time being and build an A64 X2 rig when mainstream games start to take advantage of SMT. Just my two cents.
I don't like saving up. I'm extremely impatient when it comes to buying things, especially computer parts. I know there will always be something bigger and better just around the corner so I buy whatever's available when I want to buy that offers the best bang for my buck. An overclocked Pentium D Crossfire system suits my needs perfectly, and is at a price I can afford.
I'm not leaving Intel again until AMD brings out quad-core MPUs for less than Intel.
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If you overclock that rig to at least 3 gig and have 2 instances of
folding you could be doing QMDs and allmost if not over 1000 PPD.
That would be an ass kicking rig for folding!!!
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If you overclock that rig to at least 3 gig and have 2 instances of
folding you could be doing QMDs and allmost if not over 1000 PPD.
That would be an ass kicking rig for folding!!!
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Well, if your primary task for this new rig is folding, then go for it! It would definitely be a mad folder.
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Wow looks like a real screamer. But where are you getting those prices figures from? Newegg? And the pentium D is a 64-bit processor right?
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Wow looks like a real screamer. But where are you getting those prices figures from? Newegg? And the pentium D is a 64-bit processor right?
Prices are off of Pricewatch and what I know I can get them for through vendors we buy from at work.
I changed my HSF choice to the Zalman CNP9500 to allow for better cooling and possibly higher overclocks than the 7700cu.
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Dont get the P D. what are your specs right now?
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Dont get the P D. what are your specs right now?
Argh, I don't know how to say this without sounding like an ass but I've read the majority of your posts and am pretty confident that I know how knowledgeable you are about PC technology. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be taking advice from you
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i just have one question. why not get a HDTV tuner?
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i just have one question. why not get a HDTV tuner?
I may get one, but I've decided on the Hauppauge PVR500 dual-tuner PCI card for the time-being. I was going to get a theater 550-based PCI-e card but I don't like the slow channel switching the digital tuner on the 550 cards creates.
I'm gonna go with MCE 2005 + remote as well.

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Argh, I don't know how to say this without sounding like an ass but I've read the majority of your posts and am pretty confident that I know how knowledgeable you are about PC technology. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be taking advice from you
Just face it, your Pentium D is not approved by anyone on this forum, you HAVE to get the A64 alright?
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Just face it, your Pentium D is not approved by anyone on this forum, you HAVE to get the A64 alright?
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Pentium D + Crossfire = teh win! This system is going to rock. It's gonna fold like a mofo too
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Pentium D + Crossfire = teh win! This system is going to rock. It's gonna fold like a mofo too
Anyone that knows about hardware would pick AMD over Intel though
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Well the D840 & 670 do a good job with MPEG rendering, witch you cude compare with [email protected] a bit.
The x2 4800 is 5% faster than the 840.
And the x2 4400 4% than the 670 .
Anyone with a X2 folding atm, wonder how well it folds away , esp comparing it agains the Intel D series.
@ ShaidarHaran notthing agains Intel, I'm thinking too stap over too intel ones my 3500+ is outdated.
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Well the D840 & 670 do a good job with MPEG rendering, witch you cude compare with [email protected] a bit.
The x2 4800 is 5% faster than the 840.
And the x2 4400 4% than the 670 .
Anyone with a X2 folding atm, wonder how well it folds away , esp comparing it agains the Intel D series.
I'll take a product that's perhaps 15% slower that costs 75% less, thank you very much Performance varies per application too. Some encoding apps run significantly faster on Pentium D than even the X2. Don't get me wrong, I'd love an X2 or even dualie Opteron rig but nothing can touch the Pentium D's price/performance ratio right now (not for my uses, anyway).
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The future off [email protected] is on high memory and cpu comunication.
So far i've seen results AMD has this better covered than Intel.
Witch offcorse might change tommorow or so.
Price w00t price, just talking in general .
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SH: I remeber reading your thread about how the dual Xeon system you had in the shop was sh*t in terms of PPD. Do you think a dual core system would also have limited bandwidth like the dual Xeon because the two cores are on the same bus?
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SH: I remeber reading your thread about how the dual Xeon system you had in the shop was sh*t in terms of PPD. Do you think a dual core system would also have limited bandwidth like the dual Xeon because the two cores are on the same bus?
Yes, but not nearly as much. You have to remember with the dual Xeon system you're referencing that it's "only" capable of supplying 5.4GB/s bandwidth to the processors from the MCH. The Pentium D systems (with 945/955 or NF4 Intel chipsets) can supply a total of 8.4GB/s bandwidth to the processors from the MCH (assuming the use of dual-channel DDR2 533). Technically each processor is "only" capable of receiving 6.4GB/s bandwidth because the FSB is "only" 800MHz. Still, that's a decent step up from the bandwidth of the dualie Xeon system, especially when you factor in ECC and registered PC2700 being used in the dualie Xeon system vs. LL PC2 5400. It's not as nice as DIB (dual independent busses) but it's definitely worth something.
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Shaider, are you still considering this PentiumD system... or are you going with the A64 instead? I noticed your thread in General Hardware saying you got an A64 Winchester, and wasn't sure if that was a replacement of this PentiumD idea. If PentiumD is no longer a consideration, then let the staff know if you want this thread closed.

And now for my input... PentiumD is not a bad CPU, and it's certainly a great deal at only $249. But remember, Athlon64 is a hell of a lot better at gaming, and the benchmarks show that. The dual core of the PentiumD is a great thing, but for gaming it's performance boost is limited if any. But if you do in fact have a use for dual core, then I say go for the cheap PentiumD, ya just can't beat the price and it's more than half the price of the cheapest A64 X2 at this time. And if you're folding with both cores at the same time, you should see some excellent stats.

One more thing, at this time Folding does not support SSE2 on A64 CPU's, so the PentiumD would have a slight advantage there. But I suspect [email protected] willl eventually become AMD SSE2 compatible so don't make that a selling point.
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Gator, I decided to go AMD this round. Single core A64 for now, and I'll pop in an X2 later on when prices drop enough. You can close the thread if you like, I guess it doesn't matter at this point.
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Gator, I decided to go AMD this round. Single core A64 for now, and I'll pop in an X2 later on when prices drop enough. You can close the thread if you like, I guess it doesn't matter at this point.
Ok man. Let me know if you wanna reopen it for any reason.
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